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    Talking Dear Ni Types,

    Does this sound familiar?

    You're standing in line at Wal Mart or some shit. You have a thought about, for example, a relationship you're aware of.

    Suddenly, this thought leads to a distinct impression of where the process is headed.

    A chain of subsequent thoughts unfolds as you witness every phase of the relationship lead to the next. Phases of convergence, divergence, escalation, de-escalation, growth, and deterioration all unwind according to a path so inarticulate yet so certain.

    And, after unpacking every angle from the last, you survey the sequence of thoughts and come full circle. Underlying them rests a unifying quality: they depend on mere inclinations to observe them.

    You realize your consciousness rides the very edge of consciousness itself.


    "~ir... Sir." The voice lowers into a stern pitch. "Sir."

    You notice the cashier is trying to get your attention.

    Your focus sharpens on the object your eyes have blindly stared at for the past several minutes: Oprah Magazine.

    Slightly dazed, you shuffle up to pay for your items. Feeling a cold spot on your chin, you wipe a stream of drool off your face.

    "Insert the chip."

    The cashier tells you your card has been declined.

    Panicked, you open your mobile banking app. It informs you that you are 324 dollars in the hole - mostly due to overdraft charges incurred by your subscription to enneathoughts daily.

    Embarrassed, you return your items and drive home to vent on 16types.info about how you suck at Sensing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keranos View Post
    Does this sound familiar?

    You're standing in line at Wal Mart or some shit. You have a thought about, for example, a relationship you're aware of.

    Suddenly, this thought leads to a distinct impression of where the process is headed.

    A chain of subsequent thoughts unfolds as you witness every phase of the relationship lead to the next. Phases of convergence, divergence, escalation, de-escalation, growth, and deterioration all unwind according to a path so inarticulate yet so certain.

    And, after unpacking every angle from the last, you survey the sequence of thoughts and come full circle. Underlying them rests a unifying quality: they depend on mere inclinations to observe them.

    You realize your consciousness rides the very edge of consciousness itself.


    "~ir... Sir." The voice lowers into a stern pitch. "Sir."

    You notice the cashier is trying to get your attention.

    Your focus sharpens on the object your eyes have blindly stared at for the past several minutes: Oprah Magazine.

    Slightly dazed, you shuffle up to pay for your items. Feeling a cold spot on your chin, you wipe a stream of drool off your face.

    "Insert the chip."

    The cashier tells you your card has been declined.

    Panicked, you open your mobile banking app. It informs you that you are 324 dollars in the hole - mostly due to overdraft charges incurred by your subscription to enneathoughts daily.

    Embarrassed, you return your items and drive home to vent on 16types.info about how you suck at Sensing.
    Haha!

    I was wondering what kind of "relationship" you were talking about...

    I am assuming you don't mean romance, but just a connection between two, or more, (perhaps superficially) separate entities, who in a surprising manner have an underlying bond with each other.

    I get that impression at times; when suddenly, it becomes apparent how things fall into place exactly, are connected to each other; as if suddenly the puzzle pieces all fell into place, and you marvel at the image that is revealed in front of you.

    And yes, I usually "space out" in stores like that. I have trouble focusing my attention on all the objects around me. When I enter a shop, I am usually overwhelmed initially, or even for the entire while I am there. I'd need several minutes to process everything around me, but I would seem like a fool or idiot freezing on the spot looking all around me, so due to social convention I try to keep moving and not rest for too long at certain spots, but sometimes my head gets the better of me, and I just stand in front of some shelf for several minutes, staring into space or all the objects in front of me, trying to remember and find what I am actually looking for. And yes, that keeps happening even when I have been to that exact same store several times before...

    Typically, one or two people start looking at me a bit weirdly eventually, probably wondering what I am looking for the whole time or why I am just standing there. At that point, I then walk to another shelf several feet away, let those people go and forget about me, and then I return to the same shelf from previously, giving myself more time to look for and remember what I wanted to get.
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    Sounds Ni to me. They always seem very distracted, spacey and too lost in their thoughts. One needs to snap ones fingers to bring them back to reality.

    However I'm not sure if they do think a lot in the future...(doesnt seem like that to me). But for sure they are trapped in a space-time vortex in their heads. When I talk to them (especially LIEs) it seems like they live past and present and some sort of tragic future at once.
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    The other week I walked up to one of my friends just before class and told them all about my plans to go check out this one barbecue place and do they want to come with me and I heard the reviews are great it's gonna be great I'm deciding what's gonna be better the pork ribs or the brisket I did a lot of research I've looked at it from all angles-

    They looked at me with a very confused expression.

    I asked what was wrong.

    "I thought you were going to ask me about the exam that we're just about to take."

    I responded, "Oh, yeah, that's happening too".
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    "Blahblahblahblah.....ack?"

    "I'm sorry, what was that?"

    "I asked if you wanted any cash back."
    "Hit No if you don't"

    "Oh, right, sorry."

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    If the cashier is female and at least decent looking I'd honestly probably focus on that.
    Also I never had to overdraft my bank account
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    This is why I shop online. It happens all the time. I zone in and out but no one is around to bear witness, except maybe a friend or family member now and then but they are used to it.

    You realize your consciousness rides the very edge of consciousness itself.


    As for finances, not the overdraft thing since I have overdraft protection. My life is as automated as I can make it to avoid such embarrassments. I recommend it. I always check my app before irl shopping to make sure because I do slack when it comes to dealing with bank statement and checking balance. I know there is usually enough but I don't like being in the middle of that kind of scene where I get rejected and everyone behind me sees it. The chance for unwanted negative attention is minimized as much as possible. My app sends me low balance alerts at two different amounts. First one is a warning that I often ignore. Second one means transfer money fast, so it has happened to me before but I learned from the whole debacle.

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    "What are you doing?"

    "I don't know, just thinking."

    "About what?"

    "Nothing..."

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    Child's play. Now multiply that by 30 years for me.

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    Hmmnnn.....



    is this a forum?



    how often do you come here @the16types.info



    w-wha... oh I'm in a thread? Oh for heaven's sake how did I get here.


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    Hmmm... so some people like that people bring them to attentive reality.
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    Never happens because I got the Chaefocus (always on the watch for vicious enemies) and Chaemoney (Can't deny it, I like to brag about my sugar mommy status).

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    Good thing you did not mention driving a car. When I got my license I still hadn't developed my Se and it took me a few tries to pass the test. I know IEI's that can't drive.

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    I though LIIs were the ones with bad driving skilzz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    I though LIIs were the ones with bad driving skilzz.


    I passed the test with second try
    Ne creatives are the worst drivers. Not all. But the worst drivers are Ne.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Ne creatives are the worst drivers. Not all. But the worst drivers are Ne.
    Well. Yes and no. I can speak only for myself.
    It took me more effort to develope decent driving skills compared to most other drivers. But I see It more as a effect of being -vulnerable.
    Practice makes perfect, and this is true. You don't have to stay a bad driver. Everyone can improve their own skills, even people with weak sensing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    I though LIIs were the ones with bad driving skilzz.
    A lot of LII seem not naturally gifted in handling moving objects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    I passed the test with second try
    Ditto. But in Germany test to obtain driving licenses are more demanding than in a lot of other countries, I think. You must take a couple of driving lessons, even if you're already a skilled driver.
    ...and you have to prepare for the high speed experience German Autobahn - without causing casualties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    So little attention to detail
    Every now and then I'm prone to miss street signs.
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    Noted that the opening post is delivered through the eyes of a possible Ne type and this could be effecting what is trying to be conveyed to the Ni types.
    The outcome is that it could be applied to almost anyone, especially when tired etc but mainly to Ne types.

    For like @Pookie explains somewhere above, Ni can of course voice what is occurring in our brains to ourselves and also articulate this to others if we so need or desire too...much more so than the Ne types in those moments.
    So I agree with Pookie that the description comes across somewhat clown mirrored and inverted overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    When I talk to them (especially LIEs) it seems like they live past and present and some sort of tragic future at once.
    I certainly hold this tendency.

    As for driving...I don’t drive and never have as the concentration required is enormous and it takes a while to ‘see’ what I am meant to be seeing which is difficult to do when your brain is constantly reevaluating/revising things or busy replaying experiences etc
    Also I didn’t want to ever cause road carnage, go through the process of fixing cars or deal with the required legalities and paperwork.
    I think this was all effected by my first two driving lessons though where I would have crashed into stepfathers garage if the door had not been left open and nearly ran over a horse!
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    Honestly. No. Not at all.

    A chain of subsequent thoughts unfolds as you witness every phase of the relationship lead to the next. Phases of convergence, divergence, escalation, de-escalation, growth, and deterioration all unwind according to a path so inarticulate yet so certain.

    Never have i had a thought that i could not articulate in the confines of my own head. Like, that seems anti-thetical to Ni in spirit

    "Phases of convergence, divergence, escalation, de-escalation, growth, and deterioration all unwind" That seems Ne'ish, if even just for the way its framed: The Divergence of the relationship phase leading to the escalation of the relationship phase, leading to... etc. That seems very removed from an Ni perspective. Ni is more like, This then this then this then that. Your boxes are too neat, and the info packed into those boxes would likely poke holes into them. I feel like everything you described is clown-mirrored and inverted.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Ni is more like, This then this then this then that.
    Cashier: Hello?

    Right! Of course! Where am I again? I'm in a store. I'm at the front of the line now.
    The other customers would probably be frustrated right now, since I just held up the line. Say something (to assuage the situation).

    Me:
    Heh, sorry, was thinking about something going on right now with me. Sorry for holding you all up.

    Yep, they smiled. Although you're not really surprised, are you, Stellafera? You knew they were going to react positively. Hm. How did you know? Well... hm... Blowing the situation off with humor and a sheepish smile acknowledges you made a mistake, but doesn't inspire guilt from the crowd. People generally feel angry when made to feel guilty. Based on instinct you avoided that....

    Me: Sorry again. I am just ALL over the place today!

    What was with that self-congratulatory backslapping, anyways? You have such a habit of that. I think you're a little narcissistic. Well... someone did tell you earlier this week you were good with people, so maybe you're not just.... That's kind of narcissistic too, blaming vanity on others. You know, it's crazy how much you are in your own head. What is up with that? That is definitely a trait you have, by the way. You are totally in your own head. Because-because-because-um...because-

    Me: Gah! Again! Well, at least I'm done with the transaction now. I've got to do something about this spacing off, ha-ha.

    Ha... Note to self, fix narcissism. Also space off less. Also, find new words other than "space". Zone out or something, geez.

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    It's a lot of random thoughts, but if you only read the bolded, you see the Ni sliding timescale and "if/then" and "of course X if Y is like Z". Explaining backwards and forwards.

    (You also see a lot of Fe, insert relevant Te instead for you ILIs out there)
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    I passed the driving test the first time. I had a good teacher who could tailor his directions to the way I think. My mom was not patient enough to teach me but my step dad was. He started me in a parking lot. We didn't leave it until he was sure I knew what I was doing. Then we drove 2 hours on a mostly deserted highway that was beautiful. We didn't speak a word for 2 hours, round trip. <3

    Edit: I was driving alone over a year before I got my license too because he taught me young. I taught my EII sister. I was harder on her than he was on me.

    *He may have raised his voice a couple times but he wasn't using his air brakes which is a good sign. We did the highway thing every Sunday for a few months

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    I'm horrifying driver. So little attention to detail
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