What are ESEs really about?
It's easy to find "purposes" or ideal activities for types such as LII, ILE, LSE, LIE, IEE, EIE etc
But ESE?
From a pure functional perspective. What is ESE about?
Maybe cooking with enthusiasm??
(Tina Nordström ESE)
What are ESEs really about?
It's easy to find "purposes" or ideal activities for types such as LII, ILE, LSE, LIE, IEE, EIE etc
But ESE?
From a pure functional perspective. What is ESE about?
Maybe cooking with enthusiasm??
(Tina Nordström ESE)
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
ESE's exist to give Fe to LII's and thus prevent them from blowing their brains out from existential despair and going extinct.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 11-10-2017 at 07:44 PM.
What am I reading?
ESEs have the biggest purpose in the preservation of the human kind: breeding.
We all know that ESEs and LSEs are the moms and dads of humanity. Plus they are hard and responsible workers. System still working for the rest of us just because of Sjs.
Edit.
Now, jk aside, I agree with a single concept in mbti of setting certain roles for types, because it give us a clearest picture or idea about the purposes that types have in society.
Last edited by Kiba; 11-11-2017 at 08:53 AM.
there's some clock of socion articles about this. the general idea is they fill a categorical role as part of a quadra, which each quadra has a type who fills that same role. the specific character of ESE is just a product of alpha quadra at large, their actual role is generic to the socion. in other words, Adam's obtuse comment was somewhat correct in the sense that you have ESE because LII, but not for the reasons he gave
The female ESFj’s represent the ‘dream’ mother or nana type who feeds others well, are hospitable, pulls off social events effectively, provides a warmth to others where they can be accepted straight into the family as a fully fledged member.
Think of everything to do with holiday seasons...that’s their forte.
Think Father Christmas.
Think of that person after Christmas at the department store counter returning the faulty gift someone received which needs to be replaced or refunded for most of them will be of this type.
Hmm, So I guess what I am asking is what would the best expression or fulfillment of the functions FeSi be?
Or lets put it this way...
Looking only at functions:
LIIs can analyze
ESEs can ???
Lets say you want to fulfill yourself functionally (socionics) as an ESE
I can easily see this in LSE, but with ESE it is more difficult.
I've known many ESEs but as a type they are somehow vague. Lacking an agenda
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
From my experience ESEs are one of the most resilient types when it comes to work and physical pain. They keep an eye one others, protect them from unfair treatment and with their dislike for "serious talk" in favor of joyful conversations they can create a save haven for vulnerable individuals, friends and family. Often they are excellent organizers and know how to deal with money. With their tendency for perfectionism and overfriendliness they attract individuals who seek warm expressions of care. They don't dominate people ( I mean active use of Se) and are often interested in other people's insights and thoughts. So in general I would say one of their strenghts (call it purpose if you want) is to make people feel welcome, special and protected.
Obviously they also have many weaknesses but I don't think that's the purpose of this thread.
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ESEs aren't ideal, that's the thing. They just buy you donuts when you really want them or something. Some ppl are just meant to be basic caregivers and not super intellectual types. Don't bully them.
(chris crocker voice) Leave ESEs alone.
They are the ones running the shows behind the scenes. Meaning comes from facilitating their small corner of the universe and making sure things happen within it. They find meaning in creativity, taking care of friends and family, studying beauty and the world around them, everyday miracles, finding something new, novel and entertaining.
They are, as many other merry types, pillars of society as well. The PAC Mom who rally for a new playground, the friend who sits of on the Cultural Board of Directors, the parent who drove all the band kids 400 km for the concert. They find meaning in being an active part in their people's lives.
They also find meaning in privately pursued Si activities, for example nicely explained in @sorrows grooming thread. (crafts, gardening, massage, shopping, flea markets, baseball games).
To say they are not intellectual is a bit of a misstep (imho : D) . Some of the most intellectual conversations have lead by ESE, for example, Friday Night board game nights with lots of heated discussion about current events, the state of the world, projects shared, household stories. They are, imho, a very versatile type of person. Leaders, really.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Social leadership at the grass-root level.....
a.k.a. I/O
The top socialite.
I know no other type that manages people better at a broad scale than ESE. Even SEE can't keep up becauseworks face-to-face, nor can the Beta extroverts because they need to team up first (Zhukov has the energy and organizational skills but lacking ethics, while Hamlet is not hands-on enough).
ESE with valued/strongand
demonstrative is a powerhouse on his or her own to me: Ej temperament. Their purpose, simply put, it to rally and entertain the people within all sorts of activities. I call them the whirlwind of the socion. The key word here is: participation.
Fe - emotional high state, social good/bad labels
Si - comfort, beauty, health
Fe is primary aim, Si - secondary
Types examples: video bloggers, actors
Im thinking of agenda more in terms of ego functions. The person might have an agenda in his life of course but as a type the agenda might seem less clear.
So FeSi might be something like expressing sensing-toned feeling or promoting sensations or maybe cooking with enthusiasm as in the video.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
ESE's totally cause public scenes, lol
dat fussiness. its okay though I know they mean well and wouldn't do it if they didn't think it was justified. its usually in reaction to someone else they perceive as having started it. the only way they'd cause a public scene out of nowhere is if they thought there was significant entertainment value. maybe they don't think of it as a "scene" as such, rather its just good old fashioned entertainment everyone should welcome and be grateful for
which is fine, I bet LII loves it and everyone's got their foibles in someone's eyes
Feel free to suggest something...
I personally don’t for sure know an ISFp and how they function. I know a few ESFj’s from which I tried to sum up thier positive characteristics.
On top of what I wrote they work hard and on the whole I have found them to be super nice.
wtf why did Chae copy my name? @Number 9 large
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Grazie for the description @Aylen!
To sing in a choir can be a good hobby for ESE.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)