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    Default Has someone can simultaneously use his/her Fi-Ti or any function you think you have a balance?

    Like seriously i can use Fi and Ti simultaneously.
    Like when i use my Ti, especially i know during work, i feel good.
    I also use Fi when I'm pmsing.
    Sometimes i don't use both.
    Sometimes i think i use Ne and sometimes i think i use Se.
    There's times that too much Ne makes my head ache.
    I don't like too much Se either.

    Has anyone experienced this?

    Or something related?

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    Those two elements are at odds (same with and ), if anything it is - you experience.

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    Well it's said the reason is connected to emotions.

    You are a super Socionics user.

    Super [Socionics] user is a very rare species. Probably only one out of millions acquire this trait. She's definitely a special snowflake or a super [Socionics] user.
    One clue if one is a legit super [Socionics] user is that she can relate to everyone.


    She has the equal balance of s and n, f and t, e and i.. Her right and left brain is perfectly balanced.


    In cognitive functions terms, she possess both


    Se and Ne,
    Fi and Ti,
    Fe and Fi,
    Ne and Ni.

    Source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...%20mbti%20user

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    Fi and Ti are both introverted judgements that focus either on ethics or logic, respectively. To use them at exactly the same time seems impossible; I can think of two possible ways it might look that way though. 1) underlying principles of rationality govern both, hence thinking in your head can be either Ti or Fi and they both follow a similar internal monologue format. They both tend to want to sort of the tension of conflict, whether it be from contradiction or adversity of some kind. This means with Fi you may be feeling something complex and you want to sort it out, "I love this person, but I also hate them: I care about them a lot" this is rational feeling. The laws of sufficient-necessary still apply as does non-contradiction. apparent contradictions require a dialectical resolution upward to be satisfying. lingering feelings yet to be satisfied are just unresolved rational problems. Ti is the same way but focused on the strict non-affective abstract laws governing reality 2) you can apply them in quick succession. In other words; "what is love? love is just a series of chemical reactions that I experience as a peculiar feeling." You could easily weave them together. "I love this person, he really gets my brain chemicals going. why? Is it genetic, or cultural? Maybe it doesn't matter, I want to be with them." You can go from is to ought and back to is and so on and so forth sequentially...

    you can also substitute Fi values for Ti judgements and vice versa: the concept of fairness in alpha quadra revolves around this a lot. It makes ethical shoulds out of Ti constructions. If 2 people combine to hurt 1 person and a court holds each individual liable for the full amount of damage to the victim, Ti tends to look at the rights of the 2 perpetrators as being violated since each should only be obliged to pay 50/50. The idea that its better that the victim get full recovery in the case that 1 perpetrator is unable to pay, overrides the 50/50 split of liability in the mind of the Fi valuer, for whom rights flow from the victim not some tautological framework (.5 +.5 = 1). Often times Ti valuers will import their Ti judgements into their Fi feelings, and Fi can do this to Ti as well, warping logic in the process. Sometimes what seems to be a Ti judgement is merely an Fi conviction. Thus it could also be that while using one you merely convince yourself you're using both or the other.

    You can in fact derive an is from an ought, it is just considered irrational to do so

    being able to go back and forth and recognize when you're doing so would be the best indicator of the two being somewhat well balanced

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    Part of your brain goes with Ti and another Fi. The outcome is the collapse of the brainwave function. But fret not! In one universe you prefer Ti and another Fi.

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    I'd say if you can't use both Fi and Ti at the same time, you're a pleb.

    Super Socionics user is the true Socionics master race.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chains View Post
    Part of your brain goes with Ti and another Fi. The outcome is the collapse of the brainwave function. But fret not! In one universe you prefer Ti and another Fi.
    I've heard that DarkAngelFireWolf69 is working on his new Super-Socionics theory to solve this discrepancy. It combines the theory of Quantum Mechanics with Socionics. He said that this will win him the Nobel prize.

    I believe in DarkAngelFireWolf69, because Socionics is a system of belief and feelings and not a system of facts or evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Those two elements are at odds (same with and ), if anything it is - you experience.
    Really? 🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Well it's said the reason is connected to emotions.

    You are a super Socionics user.

    Super [Socionics] user is a very rare species. Probably only one out of millions acquire this trait. She's definitely a special snowflake or a super [Socionics] user.
    One clue if one is a legit super [Socionics] user is that she can relate to everyone.


    She has the equal balance of s and n, f and t, e and i.. Her right and left brain is perfectly balanced.


    In cognitive functions terms, she possess both


    Se and Ne,
    Fi and Ti,
    Fe and Fi,
    Ne and Ni.

    Source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...%20mbti%20user
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    Fi and Ti are both introverted judgements that focus either on ethics or logic, respectively. To use them at exactly the same time seems impossible; I can think of two possible ways it might look that way though. 1) underlying principles of rationality govern both, hence thinking in your head can be either Ti or Fi and they both follow a similar internal monologue format. They both tend to want to sort of the tension of conflict, whether it be from contradiction or adversity of some kind. This means with Fi you may be feeling something complex and you want to sort it out, "I love this person, but I also hate them: I care about them a lot" this is rational feeling. The laws of sufficient-necessary still apply as does non-contradiction. apparent contradictions require a dialectical resolution upward to be satisfying. lingering feelings yet to be satisfied are just unresolved rational problems. Ti is the same way but focused on the strict non-affective abstract laws governing reality 2) you can apply them in quick succession. In other words; "what is love? love is just a series of chemical reactions that I experience as a peculiar feeling." You could easily weave them together. "I love this person, he really gets my brain chemicals going. why? Is it genetic, or cultural? Maybe it doesn't matter, I want to be with them." You can go from is to ought and back to is and so on and so forth sequentially...

    you can also substitute Fi values for Ti judgements and vice versa: the concept of fairness in alpha quadra revolves around this a lot. It makes ethical shoulds out of Ti constructions. If 2 people combine to hurt 1 person and a court holds each individual liable for the full amount of damage to the victim, Ti tends to look at the rights of the 2 perpetrators as being violated since each should only be obliged to pay 50/50. The idea that its better that the victim get full recovery in the case that 1 perpetrator is unable to pay, overrides the 50/50 split of liability in the mind of the Fi valuer, for whom rights flow from the victim not some tautological framework (.5 +.5 = 1). Often times Ti valuers will import their Ti judgements into their Fi feelings, and Fi can do this to Ti as well, warping logic in the process. Sometimes what seems to be a Ti judgement is merely an Fi conviction. Thus it could also be that while using one you merely convince yourself you're using both or the other.

    You can in fact derive an is from an ought, it is just considered irrational to do so

    being able to go back and forth and recognize when you're doing so would be the best indicator of the two being somewhat well balanced
    Can you ask me a question that will determine if my answer is an Fi thingy or a Ti thingy? like I'll answer honestly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chains View Post
    Part of your brain goes with Ti and another Fi. The outcome is the collapse of the brainwave function. But fret not! In one universe you prefer Ti and another Fi.
    I think so too. I actually think that i have both Ti and Fi.. And i just prefer one to another.. Is that theory even possible?

    Like same with Ne and Se. Like i can simulationeously use both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    I'd say if you can't use both Fi and Ti at the same time, you're a pleb.

    Super Socionics user is the true Socionics master race.



    I've heard that DarkAngelFireWolf69 is working on his new Super-Socionics theory to solve this discrepancy. It combines the theory of Quantum Mechanics with Socionics. He said that this will win him the Nobel prize.

    I believe in DarkAngelFireWolf69, because Socionics is a system of belief and feelings and not a system of facts or evidence.
    Yesssssssssssssssssssassss! lol

    My main mission in life is to be a super socionics user.

    It's like you can achieve complete mastery of human psyche.

    Like seriously, ain't this possible? 🤔

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    Fuck really? so lsi thinks like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Ti

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    I have two Lsi friends i know. I ask them if they think like that xD

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    And if I'm Fi user i don't even think like that lol. Seriously? DDDD looks gay man xD

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    The consciousness may use only 1 function in the same moment of time. But you may switch between functions with undefined max speed.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I think it's more like we use several if not all functions simulteneously but with different level of energy. Human psyche is chaoti

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    The consciousness may use only 1 function in the same moment of time. But you may switch between functions with undefined max speed.
    Yes i can switch.. Tell me once function I'll use it within the given moment..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mori View Post
    I think it's more like we use several if not all functions simulteneously but with different level of energy. Human psyche is chaoti
    Yes that's real actually.. Specially as chaotic as mine.. Guess what function I'm using right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    Fi and Ti are both introverted judgements that focus either on ethics or logic, respectively. To use them at exactly the same time seems impossible;
    I agree. @idontgiveaf can you give an example?

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    Yes.

    http://journalpsyche.org/jungian-model-psyche/
    Among Jung’s most important work was his in-depth analysis of the psyche, which he explained as follows: “By psyche I understand the totality of all psychic processes, conscious as well as unconscious,” separating the concept from conventional concept of the mind, which is generally limited to the processes of the conscious brain alone.

    Jung believed that the psyche is a self-regulating system, rather like the body, one that seeks to maintain a balance between opposing qualities while constantly striving for growth, a process Jung called “individuation”.

    Jung saw the psyche as something that could be divided into component parts with complexes and archetypal contents personified, in a metaphorical sense, and functioning rather like secondary selves that contribute to the whole. His concept of the psyche is broken down as follows:

    The ego

    To Jung, the ego was the center of the field of consciousness, the part of the psyche where our conscious awareness resides, our sense of identity and existence. This part can be seen as a kind of “command HQ”, organizing our thoughts, feelings, senses, and intuition, and regulating access to memory. It is the part that links the inner and outer worlds together, forming how we relate to that which is external to us.

    How a person relates to the external world is, according to Jung, determined by their levels of extroversion or introversion and how they make use of the functions of thinking, feeling, sensation, and intuition. Some people have developed more of one or two of these facets than the others, which shapes how they perceive the world around them.

    The origin of the ego lies in the self archetype, where it forms over the course of early development as the brain attempts to add meaning and value to its various experiences.

    The ego is just one small portion of the self, however; Jung believed that consciousness is selective, and the ego is the part of the self that selects the most relevant information from the environment and chooses a direction to take based on it, while the rest of the information sinks into the unconscious. It may, therefore, show up later in the form of dreams or visions, thus entering into the conscious mind.

    The personal unconscious

    The personal unconscious arises from the interaction between the collective unconscious and one’s personal growth, and was defined by Jung as follows:

    “Everything of which I know, but of which I am not at the moment thinking; everything of which I was once conscious but have now forgotten; everything perceived by my senses, but not noted by my conscious mind; everything which, involuntarily and without paying attention to it, I feel, think, remember, want, and do; all the future things which are taking shape in me and will sometime come to consciousness; all this is the content of the unconscious… Besides these we must include all more or less intentional repressions of painful thought and feelings. I call the sum of these contents the ‘personal unconscious’.”

    Unlike Freud, Jung saw repression as just one element of the unconscious, rather than the whole of it. Jung also saw the unconscious as the house of potential future development, the place where as yet undeveloped elements coalesced into conscious form.



    At least it is true that Jung thought of people as a culmination of opposing conscious and unconscious elements. From a Jungian point of view, it's a bit of a grey area to try and separate them absolutely.

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    true, there was an assumption of mine in answering the question that what was meant was "consciously using both Ti and Fi simultaneously"; if we want to engage in a bit of Ne context shifting, in the context of whole-psyche, humans use all 8 functions at once, just some are unconscious

    in the sense of conscious and unconscious, we use all 8 functions because that is how the psyche is defined, at least according to socionics

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I agree. @idontgiveaf can you give an example?
    I don't know I'm stupid 😥

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    Yea guys you got my point i just cannot explain it intelligently ( TДT)

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    Maybe the 4 last IEs or the unvalued run subconsciously in our psyche.

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