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    I'm know this topic has been explored before but wanted to put it out there for general discussion.
    How much time do you spend on grooming in day? Is it relaxing to you? Do you find value in it or is it generally a hassle?

    I post this as I realize I spent the morning on Si things/grooming...including shopping for a new body scrub.
    On my day off I actually enjoy going to the chiropractor and to look for new body polishes and lotions. It is very relaxing and I get the "feeling" I am doing something useful for myself. But I never quite have enough time to devote to Si stuff as I would like to.

    I have an Si creative problem .
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    I brush my teeth. Is that grooming?

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    Can't stand it. Love aftereffects of grooming.

    Shower for half an hour or more, want to feel my muscles and bones and insides heated from the water. If USA city water had no fluoride, I'd still be drinking it hot from the shower. Radio comes with me in the bathroom. Plastic USB shaver hacks off the long beard hair while I shower, and I get the stubble off with AA batt powered Braun after shower. Once every four/five days re: shave.

    Started running cheapo hair wax through hair to keep the crap out of my eyes -- works, yesterday I looked like lumberjack-style brown hair David Lynch and it ruled. Deodorant for me, not antiperspirant. Brut (cylinder, not the flat bastard) and musk Speed Stick are cheap and proper imo. Yatagan (cologne) works, Amouage Opus VII's a godsend, and Al Rehab's Dakar rules. 50 Cent's Power = good when I don't wanna be green and woodsy.

    Always crap before shower. Use loofah -- smearing soap on my body sucks, and washcloths are never totally right. Most soaps and shampoos are cool except V05 (burns and itches) and Pantene (hair destroyer).

    Tom's toothpaste and mouthwash whenever possible, medium to firm toothbrush. Occasionally a big swish/drink of gin after brushing teeth -- explosive flavor! Nothing too sugary or simple carby before sleep -- wake up with toilet mouth that way.

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    Time: Can't estimate, I'm bad at that. Showering and dressing soundly, that is all. I don't use toxic ass make-up, nail polish (even more chemicals), or shave since it harms the skin and is unhygienic contrary to what advertisements wanna make you think. What I focus on is taking care of my curly hair in 5 mins. I regularly get it cut so it's healthy. Other grooming or maintenance: cutting fingernails short. But the pluck this, dye that, slather this on,... is not my style anymore. Natural as it is supposed to be & unmanipulated so the maintenance is brought to a minimum for myself. I like keeping it real easy nowadays and find it enjoyable. More time for other things.

    Is it relaxing: Hm... taking an occasional bath is. I do appreciate the recreative effect. Getting a nice massage is also awesome but that doesn't count as grooming

    Hassle: It has very little value to me compared to career for instance, which is my priority. It used to be of value but I abandoned it. Am busy elsewhere. If I get an opportunity where I'm invited to relax I won't say no though, just not for the purpose of grooming myself into whatever. It's unnecessarily expensive, too. So my value is to spend something for proper clothing rarely at most but not more, my bank account loves me for it. #Chaemoney


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    on a daily basis i just do the basics - washing face, brushing teeth, deodorant, a bit of makeup, hairbrush

    every once in awhile the mood hits to take a long bath and put on a bunch of smelly lotion & stuff, but its not really the kind of thing i go crazy about.

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    I haven't used deodorant for many years. It feels like all the chemicals goes right into my body through the skin in the armpits.

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    yeah I don't use deodorant either, people are always surprised to hear that cause I never smell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    yeah I don't use deodorant either, people are always surprised to hear that cause I never smell
    I don't think I smell either. If I smell I shower. But sweat in itself doesn't smell that much, right? Only if left on the skin for days so bacteria start to grow. I think showering is the best deodorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I don't think I smell either. If I smell I shower. But sweat in itself doesn't smell that much, right? Only if left on the skin for days so bacteria start to grow. I think showering is the best deodorant.
    I expect a lot more from an SEI. Grooming is practically your bread and butter (at the least the SEIs I know)!
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    i'll put on fresh clothes and try to remember deodorant if i'm going to be around friends/going out to do something besides just walk around by myself , but generally i just don't think about this stuff (i do bathe everyday but that's more of just a water=awake thing). i'll cut back my beard maybe once a month and get a haircut maybe every 9 months or so when it's way past time.

    i combed my hair like 10 years ago for my dads funeral, that was seriously the last time that i brushed or combed it besides running my fingers through it occasionally. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrows View Post
    I expect a lot more from an SEI. Grooming is practically your bread and butter (at the least the SEIs I know)!
    I associate grooming more with creative Si. Base Si is accepting and strong. Everything is Si then. Even sweat. It just makes the world more complete

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    I spend about 3/4 hour/day on grooming. Every day, I take about thirty minutes to shower, shave, brush teeth, trim fingernails, polish shoes, get dressed in AM after exercise, then five minutes to brush teeth several times a day. Maybe another shower if I've been working outside and am going out in the evening.

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    Around half an hour I think, maybe a bit more, I have to be around customers a lot so it's important. Ugh.
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    I shower mostly everyday.... don't use deodorant really unless I have to work with people for awhile.

    I don't take care of my hair at all though, though I sometimes play with it after I get out of the shower until it feels right, but no combing or anything.

    HM...I also love to take bathes maybe once every two weeks with scented oils, they always make me feel good.~


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    I shower whenever I can remember, but I've pretty much abandoned conditioner entirely. I haven't brushed my hair in roughly a year, and I have a bad habit of forgetting to brush my teeth because it's boring. sometimes I apply nivea to my face, which I borrowed from the females in my family, and funnily enough, I didn't have problems with acne until I tried face-wash routines at 14/15, that stuff should not be applied to faces. the most I do nowadays is wash my face if I notice a bump forming, I avoid touching it, and it's usually gone by the following day, but that's probably more related to genetics.

    never used deodorant and I probably never will, but cotton candy body spray is my shit and I don't know why
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    if i go 12 hours w/o brushing my hair it becomes a nest. i don't understand...you guys must have some silky smooth tresses

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasp View Post
    I shower whenever I can remember, but I've pretty much abandoned conditioner entirely. I haven't brushed my hair in roughly a year, and I have a bad habit of forgetting to brush my teeth because it's boring. sometimes I apply nivea to my face, which I borrowed from the females in my family, and funnily enough, I didn't have problems with acne until I tried face-wash routines at 14/15, that stuff should not be applied to faces. the most I do nowadays is wash my face if I notice a bump forming, I avoid touching it, and it's usually gone by the following day, but that's probably more related to genetics.

    never used deodorant and I probably never will, but cotton candy body spray is my shit and I don't know why

    exactly! >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrows View Post
    I expect a lot more from an SEI. Grooming is practically your bread and butter (at the least the SEIs I know)!
    The SEI males I've met are not concerned by grooming habits or hygiene at all. Just the girls.

    I've had irl awful experiences about that, btw. lol

    Anyway, I agree with @Tallmo, deep concerns about hygiene are more Si creative (both of my parents are Si creative, the J at the end of the types is not unrelated).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lump View Post
    if i go 12 hours w/o brushing my hair it becomes a nest. i don't understand...you guys must have some silky smooth tresses
    nest.jpg

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    nests can be good

    I feel like embracing the nest gives it body. I kind of like that crazy look





    its really interesting all the good looking people coming out as "unhygenic"

    I bet theres some explanation for the people that can pull it off and the people that really are smelly. because there's people out there that, just by words, the groups would be indistinguishable, yet there's all those gross people then there's all the beautiful people who make it look easy. then there's like the hyper hygenic makeup type crew that always looks immaculate, but its sort of artifical looking. theyre the kind of people that seem like theyre kind of gross without their face on or their cologne. I like the people the best that like know how to pull off having gone without supplies or a shower for a while but still come across as clean and upkept. its hard for me to put words to but there's definitely a whole world to this with lots of ins and outs
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    I need 1 hour in the morning, 1.5 h if I also wash my hair, which is every second day. That's showering, teeth, face, basic hair, deodorant, dressing, make up all together. On days when I also do my nails, shave and/or apply self tanner, it can easily go to 2 hours or more. In the evening I only need 15 min or so.

    I don't really find it relaxing at all (apart from doing make-up, which is interesting in a creative, transformative way), but it's necessary imo. I particularly don't like taking shower cause I'm not a fan of water, so I'm very quick at that (I've perfected my routine). The thought of taking a bath is a terrible boring waste, so I never do it cause it's not necessary - it doesn't feel pleasant at all, especially when your fingertips shrivel up I also apply all sorts of body lotions, but not because it's pleasant (I actually hate being naked apart from sex, cold and putting cold things on my body lol), it's only to have nice looking skin and to smell good. So I really don't see any grooming as "pampering", but completely as a means to an end. I really don't understand women that see going to get nails done, get a facial, hairdresser, a massage or visiting a spa as an enjoyable experience. That's basically torture and extremely boring to me, so I try doing it almost all by myself (apart from hairdresser), so it can be done quickly as possible with and no stranger is touching me in an awkward way : )

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    I shower at least once, sometimes twice, a day. But when I get up I feel like a zombie, so I shower with only a dim light on and sometimes I shave. I hate shaving but I don't really rock the stubble look too well, so it becomes necessary after a day or so tops.

    I like to look nice but I hate the effort that goes into it. Jerry Seinfeld was right when he said that if the human body was a car, you would not buy it. All the trimming, and clipping, and tweezing and shaving and washing... ugh. Such a pain in the ass and a complete waste of time. If I had the time I spent on those things back, I could do so many more productive things.

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    @lump

    I'm not exactly sure.

    there was a period where I hadn't gotten a haircut in ages and my hair nested at the back which I think was probably because I had split ends out the ass, sometimes it still does that if I haven't gotten a haircut in a while, but in general I usually cut off a few inches if it happens consecutively, and I keep it in a light ponytail most other times. I think it might be related to texture but I don't know, I figured my body just became accustomed to my poor hygiene habits. my brother's hair has slightly higher nest potential than the rest of us and he shares more physical similarities with our mom's side, but I share more physical similarities with our dad's side and our hygiene routine is generally lower maintenance. hard to explain but essentially my dad's side was/is poor and even my cousins overseas pay less attention to stuff like that, partially because they don't have the means, and partially because I think our bodies sort of naturally adjust to our hygiene. I know my friend needs to wash her hands several times a day because it's a compulsion now and it's made her hands dry, which means she has to wash them even more, and so on and so forth, but it's not so easy to ignore compulsion in her case.

    all I know is that I've never done more than the bare minimum due to my own laziness and if I do more than that then it's usually because something is especially wrong and I need to balance it out again. there was a time when my legs were freakishly dry and I applied lotion post-shower until it went back to normal, or I'm dating someone and for some reason I pay more attention to my hygiene when that happens, which some might find pathetic

    hygiene is one of the most personalized things out there, someone can have the smoothest hair of all time and it could still result in nests
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    Hygiene and grooming do not always go hand in hand. Somebody could be very well groomed and have poor hygiene (i.e. have rotten breath), and someone else could have no grooming and be very hygienic.

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    true but at least in my mind I'm not particularly concerned with hygeine or grooming per se, the mystery is in how do some people get away with less and come out presenting better

    it feels like regardless of how much time you spend in the bathroom theres like micro instances of hygeine or lackthereof which accumulate and can create large dispararities over time between people, you might call them personal habits that have nothing obvious to do with self care, but which make people come across as more hygenic or otherwise aesthetic with no obvious root cause

    there are a lot of really "attractive" in the "in pictures" kind of way people that nevertheless have something off about them in person, usually stuff like bad breath or other offputting subtleties.. you'd think if they could create such a pretty picture that would translate to in person, but I've noticed there's almost an opposing relationship between the two. perhaps some of it is just genetics

    then there's people hideous in pictures and in person, which is also mind blowing for other reasons

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    same, although I'd still recommend against smelling my breath today
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    Ok. I can resume my stuff in this:

    1) I do like brushing my teeth.
    2) My hair looks messy even if I brush it.
    3) I care for not to stink when I know I'll be next to someone.

    Years ago I used to be extremely well groomed, I'm much more practical now.

    Edit.
    4) I like my skin looking smooth and love using perfume.
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    I like brushing my teeth because it feels good

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    Quote Originally Posted by lump View Post
    if i go 12 hours w/o brushing my hair it becomes a nest. i don't understand...you guys must have some silky smooth tresses
    Mine is so straight and smooth you almost can't mess it up unless it's super windy out. Even then I can just detangle it with my fingers. You give up some volume though when it's as straight as mine is - yours is nice and full.

    I wear mine in a ponytail pretty often so it stays out of my way, and doesn't just hang there.

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    Some of my habits which are Si Creative (and probably percieved as weird to other types)

    joining a gym mostly to spend an hour each night alternating between their scented steam room and the sauna
    exfoliating, lotions and body polishes each day because so my hands and skin feels soft
    very particular about not missing dental cleaning appts, using a water pic, and other tools to clean my teeth really well at home in between appts
    purchased tools to do pore cleansing at home
    sun block every morning as soon as I leave the house
    keep essential oils in a spray and oil my bedroom to spritz my pillow to help me have a restful sleep
    do weird stretches and yoga poses while cooking and cleaning to test my flexibility

    But none of this is obsessive, I have some Se and Si polr friends for which these tasks are unpleasant but they do them. I enjoy them and they relax me, if I don't make time to do the stuff listed above I get stressed and annoyed that I am not caring for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post

    Anyway, I agree with @Tallmo, deep concerns about hygiene are more Si creative (both of my parents are Si creative, the J at the end of the types is not unrelated).
    Interesting and that does make sense. This explains why the LSE aunt is always groomed to perfection and particular about diet and exercise.
    Explains why some SLIs I know tend to be quite casual in their appearance compared to LSEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post

    Is it relaxing: Hm... taking an occasional bath is. I do appreciate the recreative effect. Getting a nice massage is also awesome but that doesn't count as grooming
    Yeah, getting a massage isn't "technically" grooming but it feels great and helps with circulation, mobility and you just feel better so its in the overall "Si stuff that is good for you".
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    I wouldn't consider diet and exercise as part of grooming, some people do it for other reasons (feel stronger etc.).
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    How com deodorant is considered part of hygiene?

    As you might imagine, deodorant is a fairly modern invention. The first deodorant patent, for a product called Mum, was issued in 1888, and it soon took its place in the bathroom as an essential personal hygiene product. Most deodorants today use some type of aluminum compound, such as anhydrous aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex gly. This ingredient closes the pores in your underarm skin, preventing sweat from escaping. Some aluminum-zirconium compounds also absorb any sweat that you do release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrows View Post
    Yeah, getting a massage isn't "technically" grooming but it feels great and helps with circulation, mobility and you just feel better so its in the overall "Si stuff that is good for you".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    How com deodorant is considered part of hygiene?


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    eating right/exercizing seems to be the most important part of hygiene. Shower regularly, but don't go overboard on the soaps. Of course i don't follow this enough but im trying. otherwise you end up being too detergent-y and overly powdered which makes you lose all sex appeal. like the gay couple on modern family. its a little hard to explain but the 'right kind of dirtiness' is so hot you know?

    i have to use deodorant though cuz my glands are stronk and i like eating taco bell too much haha.

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    Not much to be honest. I definitely don't put as much time into as other women seem to do. There's only one cream that I use both on my face and body and I literally have to force myself to use it. Sometimes my skin gets really dry just because I'm too lazy to use a cream and I actually don't see much point in using it anyway if my face or body ain't really dry. I also don't like taking a bath or a shower, obviously I need to do it, but I always need to force myself into to and I always end up putting it off until late in the night and sometimes even skip it, because I feel too tired.

    But I have a thing for my hair... I think I still don't pay as much attention to it as others, but I do care very much how my hair looks. I buy special products, shampoos, oils etc...

    Even though I really hardly care about "grooming", I couldn't stand appearing in public being dirty, or smelly, or whatever. So I care very much about stuff that people can actually see and smell like clothes and make-up, but grooming myself..nope...not at all actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I haven't used deodorant for many years. It feels like all the chemicals goes right into my body through the skin in the armpits.
    Yuck, not even at work around other people? I work in trades and usually outdoors and my stink isnt always pleasent I would hate to be 'that guy' who cant swipe some pit stick on. Ofc the chemicals get absorbed, but they are somewhat safe for people otherwise the whole world would not use them. .. I just dont use them before bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    How com deodorant is considered part of hygiene?


    enlighten me
    So people can't smell your stink which can be offensive and make them judge you accordingly.

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    Well groomed =\= does not mean healthy.

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