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    We may usually be confused about our types, what dom function we use, but knowing our inferior function is one good way to determine one's type.

    The inferior function is usually the best way to distinguish between similar or mirror types. To identify this function, ask yourself:*“How do I react to intense stress?”*or*“What am I like when I’m at my*absolute*worst?”*Of course, answering these questions requires a high degree of self-honesty.*

    Read the following spoilers below and tell me which inferior function you relate most.

    Do you think you're an Si-dom? With inferior Ne?

    - Do you become very careless or lose control over details that you’re usually quite good with? Do you feel your mind is in a fog and you act erratically, sometimes irritable and withdrawn, while other times too loud and obnoxious? (loss of healthy dominant Si functioning) Do you suddenly want to try out some new outlandish idea? Do you feel out of control and act more impulsively with less social inhibition, such as uncharacteristically snapping at others or saying things that you know will be hurtful or damaging? Do past mistakes or negative past events dog you or make you believe that it is not worth working towards a future goal? Do you feel paralyzed when you think about the future, imagining all the things that could go wrong if you make the wrong decision? Do you see signs of danger or impending doom everywhere? Do you feel sudden bouts of irrational hope only to have them cruelly dashed by reality, suffering the emotional swings in the process? (Inferior Ne acts out anxiously, erratically, or impulsively because of visualizing too many negative possibilities about things that could go wrong and feeling unprepared to cope properly)


    Do you think you're an Ni-dom with inferior Se?

    - Do you feel your world is too small and the future seems bleak or opaque? Do you feel mentally shut down, like you are tired of thinking, going through the motions in life but with no meaning?*Do you feel as though the whole world is against you, throwing up every possible obstacle to plague you? (loss of healthy dominant Ni functioning) Do you often feel an underlying frustration or anger, ready to snap/rant/rage at the slightest provocation, or even want to systematically tear someone down? Do you make a lot of careless mistakes? Do you restlessly seek out “facts” to support your ideas/actions? Do you stew about events that you know are out of your control, sometimes berating yourself for mistakes and wanting a do-over? Do you become less focused, more clumsy, or lose some control over your body? Do you feel the urge to bury/lose yourself in some physical task like cleaning, organizing, exercising, or mastering a hands-on skill? Do you compulsively check on certain things or fuss about aesthetic details in your environment, even your/others’ physical appearance? Do you get strong urges to escape problems through sensory activities/pleasures like drugs, eating, sex, etc., and then afterwards kick yourself or feel guilty for such useless behavior? Do you get a strong urge to do something new/crazy because of feeling disturbed by vague underlying restlessness? Do you feel an urgent need to take action or make a change because something triggers you to believe that you are not where you want to be in life? (Inferior Se acts out impulsively or recklessly in response to events/situations that are perceived to be negative or unexpected because of losing sight of the meaning and consequence behind one’s actions)



    Do you think you're an Se-dom with inferior Ni?

    - Do you suddenly feel like life is very serious and you can’t help being irritable, gloomy, withdrawn, or negative? Do you become less tolerant of people or change? Do you feel plagued by chronic boredom or lack of passion? (loss of healthy dominant Se functioning) Do you feel bothered by fear, self doubt, disturbing mental images, or your own incompetence, like you are losing touch with reality or even going crazy? Do you look for positive or negative mysterious “signs” to confirm your suspicions or insecurities? Do you get paranoid and start fearing that people have ulterior motives and are trying to take advantage of you or pull the wool over your eyes? Do you start to panic about some imagined negative future outcome? Do you feel disturbed about not making something of yourself or not having meaningful achievements, and these feelings of having missed out are made worse by seeing all the “successful” people around you? Do you suddenly and inexplicably feel the urge to seek out a higher purpose or deeper meaning for your life? Do you suddenly feel drawn to mystical ideas or spiritual exploration? (Inferior Ni withdraws into irrational pessimism, paranoia, or distrust of life because of losing confidence and connectedness to the new/positive/interesting aspects of the world)


    Do you think you're an Ne-dom with inferior Si?

    - Do you feel as though you have lost your creative spark? Does the future suddenly seem cut-off, vague, or oppressive? (loss of healthy dominant Ne functioning) Do you suddenly feel uninspired and lack motivation to explore interesting ideas or possibilities, wanting instead to withdraw and reflect on your own? Do you feel alone and isolated, like no one could understand you even if they tried? Do you hyperfocus on one particular worry/issue? Do you obsess endlessly over tiny little details (that you would usually brush off) or replay some past mistake/event over and over, irrationally believing that it is the root of your current malaise? Do you beat yourself up for repeating mistakes or negative patterns of behavior? Do you find yourself being uncharacteristically anxious, pedantic, compulsive, finicky, nitpicky, or irritable? Do you feel irrationally pressed for time, suddenly panicking about never finishing everything you aimed to do? Do you easily fall ill when under stress, usually because of neglecting your physical health for long periods? Do you get hypochondriacal, irrationally fearing that every minor ache or pain is a symptom of a grave illness or disease? (Inferior Si withdraws and becomes stuck in a rut of narrow-minded obsessiveness or compulsiveness because of losing sight of positive potential or possibilities in the world)


    Do you think you're an Ti-dom with inferior Fe?

    - Do you get forgetful or too easily distracted? Do you suddenly lose self-confidence, feeling inefficient and scattered as though you’ve lost control of yourself, and perhaps even overcompensate by becoming obsessive about proving something to yourself or others? (loss of healthy dominant Ti functioning) Do you feel mentally clouded, overwhelmed by negative and seemingly alien emotions like confusion, longing, desperation, anger, sadness, or frustration? Do you find yourself snapping, whining, or complaining about things that would not normally bug you and perhaps cannot pinpoint the reason why you are behaving that way? Do you suddenly feel too entangled by outside influences, perhaps not knowing how it happened? Do you become weirdly hypersensitive about other people’s opinions of you, e.g., feeling unlovable, ashamed, or alienated from others? Do you feel an unusual and inexplicable urge to get some kind of affirmation, attention, approval, agreement, or validation from others, trying to impress or provoke or influence people (because you don’t know how to connect on a more intimate level)? Do you find yourself becoming irrationally desperate, possessive, or clingy in your relationships, perhaps alarmed by these behaviors in yourself but not understanding where they are coming from? (Inferior Fe acts out insecurely or desperately in relation to other people because of losing self-assuredness when the boundary between self and other becomes increasingly blurred)



    Do you think you're an Fi-dom with inferior Te?

    - Do you feel tired of caring, or become harshly judgmental and cold, or feel a desire to pick fights with people you disagree with or disapprove of? Do you feel worthless or incompetent, judging or blaming yourself for making bad decisions or never accomplishing anything of value? (loss of healthy dominant Fi functioning) Do you suddenly focus in on how little you’re accomplishing or how disorganized you are or how disorderly your mind is and want to remedy the situation immediately? Are you full of blame and accusations, feeling the urge to get into rancorous arguments? Do you see people as inept and feel a strong desire to systematically nitpick their flaws or tell them how wrong they are (even when unprovoked)? Do you make sudden/desperate but failing attempts to get control of your life through planning/strategizing or even try to take charge of situations by ordering people around? (Inferior Te acts out in hasty attempts to exercise or regain control over important aspects of life because of feeling too helpless or powerless)



    Do you think you're an Te-dom with inferior Fi?

    - Do you feel ineffectual or incompetent? Do you seem to fail no matter what plan or strategy you try? Does it seem that each action or decision makes a situation progressively worse? (loss of healthy dominant Te functioning) Do you suddenly feel like your efforts and hard work are unappreciated or undervalued by others, prompting the desire to withdraw from the world or even “punish” others by depriving them of your capabilities? Do you get oddly hypersensitive to “unfair” criticism and fear that people do not respect you? Do you feel that your emotional state is veering out of control and you don’t know how to stop it? Do you feel like you are trying hard to prevent an emotional outburst or breakdown in public or in front of loved ones, perhaps prompting you to isolate yourself for a time in order to regain composure? Do you beat yourself up for having been (inadvertently) insensitive, dismissive, or mean to someone close to you? (Inferior Fi withdraws into wallowing in self-pity, personal turmoil, or defensiveness because of losing the confidence to act competently in the world)


    Do you think you're an Fe-dom with inferior Ti?

    - Do you inexplicably feel like withdrawing from social activities or relationships? Do you suddenly find it hard to care about other people’s issues or suffering? Do you feel a sense of hopelessness, bitterness, cynicism, or pessimism because human nature seems so bleak? (loss of healthy dominant Fe functioning) Do you feel distrustful and highly critical of others? Do you feel an urge to dump on people, hurting them intentionally or laying guilt trips on them? Do you feel hardened against people, taking on a more steely or caustic communication style? Do you imagine detailed, convoluted, and seemingly logical “backstories” to explain to yourself what is wrong with other people or yourself? Do you look for excuses to provoke people or to justify placing your own emotional needs above others’? Do you feel depressed or inferior to others? Do you feel like you are being reasonable while, at the same time, others accuse you of being irrational? Do you go on quests to find out “the truth” about one particular issue/problem that is confusing you, perhaps consulting books, workshops, experts, or support groups? (Inferior Ti withdraws into futile overanalysis, excuse making, or irrational criticism because of losing the feeling of connection with other people and not understanding why or how to address the problem)

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    The concept of dominant and inferior fuctions is MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viktor View Post
    Interesting, is this taken from Jung's ideas or is it your own interpretation? I'm asking because you go into details about the functions that didn't know were related to them. The inferior Ni description sounds a lot like how Jung put it though, I read about that in his book and realized it sounds a lot like e6
    Hmm. Yea it's more of a fukin jung. So socionics are more special? 🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    The concept of dominant and inferior fuctions is MBTI.
    So what? Is socionics a special snowflake ❄? 🤔

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    Just different terminology

    Jung talks about "inferior" when referring to "suggestive"
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Chickieeee! Omg thank you!!!

    "Do past mistakes or negative past events dog you or make you believe that it is not worth working towards a future goal? Do you feel paralyzed when you think about the future, imagining all the things that could go wrong if you make the wrong decision?"

    That describes exactly how I feel sometimes.

    I was never conscious however, that past experiences were determining my passive present approach to situations. But I do exactly feel as some questions pointed out.

    The text describes also the anxious root of IEEs neurosis.

    And the other day I described LIEs as wanting their emotions pampered and this article is exactly what they do... Feeling appreciated and encouraged and blah blah, their emotions being pampered I'd say. Otherwise they feel hurt and like they are victims of others. Also it explains why sometimes they feel irrationally (baselessly) hopeless (when is evident to me that there are solutions), and why they take such stupid decisions.
    @Adam Strange see? Thats what I was talking about.

    This is so useful, share more of this!

    Which is the source or link btw?

    Edit, this is SEI af:

    "Do you become very careless or lose control over details that you’re usually quite good with? Do you feel your mind is in a fog and you act erratically, sometimes irritable and withdrawn, while other times too loud and obnoxious? (loss of healthy dominant Si functioning) Do you suddenly want to try out some new outlandish idea? Do you feel out of control and act more impulsively with less social inhibition, such as uncharacteristically snapping at others or saying things that you know will be hurtful or damaging?"

    I went to hs with a SEI guy, he was quiet and reasonable and kind, then, out of the blue he would make insensitive jokes or hit someone or something (once he pushed a friend into a fountain). My ILE friend loved this and I understand right now why he found so funny when I behave openly harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Just different terminology
    As far as I understand to theory:
    In MBTI the inferior function is the weak spot of a person and the functions are always paired (Se-Ni, Ne-Si, Te-Fi, Fe-Ti). For example is your dominant function, then is your inferior function.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Jung talks about "inferior" when referring to "suggestive"
    In socionics the vulnerable function is the weak spot of a person, not the inferiror or suggestive function.

    I see the descriptions as overly general. I can refer at least to aspects of 4 inferior functions.
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    The enneagram health levels for E1 are more fitting for me and I've found those to be really useful.

    Heh, actually the Fi dom sounds most like an unhealthy E1. Just remove the bits about a "disorderly mind" and feeling incompetent, and there you go. Add in a little emotional lability, a little clinginess from the Ti dom, and a bit of the paranoia and sign-seeking of the Se dom and you've got a picture of me at my absolute worst. -- A crazy, paranoid, mystical sign-seeking, emotionally-demanding, highly critical nitpicking bully. Lots of fun to be around - hah.

    Me at my worst is why I like the enneagram. . . because it's given me ways to keep from ending up down there again. It's helped me to see me, and recognize various things in myself. I've struggled to find the truth of myself, to see through the stories and justifications that my mind naturally creates. It's like a garden that requires continual weeding to keep the falseness from taking root and spreading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    Chickieeee! Omg thank you!!!

    That describes exactly how I feel sometimes, what I see other ppl doing and how I've perceived for example LIEs, so I know I wasnt imagining stuff. This is exactly what types do.

    I was never conscious however, that past experiences were determining my passive present approach to situations. But I do exactly feel as some questions pointed out.

    The text describes also the anxious root of IEEs neurosis.

    And the other day I described LIEs as wanting their emotions pampered and this article is exactly what they do... Feeling appreciated and encouraged and blah blah, their emotions being pampered I'd say. Otherwise they feel hurt and like they are victims of others. Also it explains why sometimes they feel irrationally (baselessly) hopeless (when is evident to me that there are solutions), and why they take such stupid decisions.

    This is so useful, share more of this!

    Which is the source or link btw?
    http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/11...erior-function

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    Thank you. I genuinely can't understand what possesed the Myers Briggs to change the functions of types that way. They made a mess. The mbti tests evaluate based on 4 dichotomies and not functions so their tests often points out real types correctly, but the way of understanding correlations between functions and types is brutally wrong.

    This descriptions however are very useful for socionics looking at the 1st and 5th function, I wonder the original source of all this, though. I suppose they used Jung texts to write that or something.
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    - Do you feel as though you have lost your creative spark? Does the future suddenly seem cut-off, vague, or oppressive? (loss of healthy dominant Ne functioning) Do you suddenly feel uninspired and lack motivation to explore interesting ideas or possibilities, wanting instead to withdraw and reflect on your own? Do you feel alone and isolated, like no one could understand you even if they tried? Do you hyperfocus on one particular worry/issue? Do you obsess endlessly over tiny little details (that you would usually brush off) or replay some past mistake/event over and over, irrationally believing that it is the root of your current malaise? Do you beat yourself up for repeating mistakes or negative patterns of behavior? Do you find yourself being uncharacteristically anxious, pedantic, compulsive, finicky, nitpicky, or irritable? Do you feel irrationally pressed for time, suddenly panicking about never finishing everything you aimed to do? Do you easily fall ill when under stress, usually because of neglecting your physical health for long periods? Do you get hypochondriacal, irrationally fearing that every minor ache or pain is a symptom of a grave illness or disease? (Inferior Si withdraws and becomes stuck in a rut of narrow-minded obsessiveness or compulsiveness because of losing sight of positive potential or possibilities in the world)


    Anyways, I'm quite familiar with my ignoring and not not happy with it. Well, - (that major reflecting) sounds like Si in MBTI.
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    I read the ni, fi, and ti, and si descriptions. They sound pretty accurate. Ni fits out of all of them. I like Jung's ideas. Typing with them really puts everything into perspective. It's refreshing, especially with all the crap that people argue endlessly about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    Thank you. I genuinely can't understand what possesed the Myers Briggs to change the functions of types that way. This descriptions are however very useful for socionics looking at the first and 5th function, I wonder the original source of all this, though. I suppose they used Jung texts to write that or something like that.
    Yeah I find it problematic that there's no source for where the info is coming from, but I believe it's partially inspire by "Was That Really Me?: How Everyday Stress Brings Out Our Hidden Personality".

    In any case doesn't work as a self typing method for me, I can show some of the behaviors and emotional responses of several of the types, there's not only one that I can point out as really being me at my worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post

    In socionics the vulnerable function is the weak spot of a person, not the inferiror or suggestive function.
    They are both referring to the same reality, but Jung and Socionics emphasize different things. The suggestive is in fact a weak spot, but not in the same painful way as the vulnerable.

    The suggestive as an unconscious opposite of the Base is a source of all kinds of delusions. Socionics doesn't talk about it that much but one can observe it. Jung gives hints on what to look for.

    In fact the term "suggestive" also hints at weakness, because the person is most receptive to influence here.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    They are both referring to the same reality, but Jung and Socionics emphasize different things. The suggestive is in fact a weak spot, but not in the same painful way as the vulnerable.

    The suggestive as an unconscious opposite of the Base is a source of all kinds of delusions. Socionics doesn't talk about it that much but one can observe it. Jung gives hints on what to look for.

    In fact the term "suggestive" also hints at weakness, because the person is most receptive to influence here.

    Please give an example, I'm not sure if I'm getting the right picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    Please give an example, I'm not sure if I'm getting the right picture.
    http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/functions/Super-Id

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    Thanks, but I was aiming for a type specific example by personal anecdote, like Tallmo sharing how it manifests in SEIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    Please give an example, I'm not sure if I'm getting the right picture.
    It's hard for me to put this into words, but I can try:

    Some of my experiences:


    Fi suggestive: Naive expectations about community and group ethics

    Ni suggestive: assuming things "happening behind the scenes" or imagining things about peoples characters.

    Si suggestive: promiscuity gone too far, drug abuse, disappointment with "bad sensations"

    Ti suggestive: All kinds of strange "logics". Assuming things are rational when they are not

    Ne suggestive: Too vague prospects or possibilities that won't happen, or lurking dangers in the world

    Te suggestive: Naming things and defining, without much substance makes the person satisfied


    But I'm sure these things have been discussed better before, these are just some of my examples
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    It's hard for me to put this into words, but I can try:

    Some of my experiences:


    Fi suggestive: Naive expectations about community and group ethics

    Ni suggestive: assuming things "happening behind the scenes" or imagining things about peoples characters.

    Si suggestive: promiscuity gone too far, drug abuse, disappointment with "bad sensations"

    Ti suggestive: All kinds of strange "logics". Assuming things are rational when they are not

    Ne suggestive: Too vague prospects or possibilities that won't happen, or lurking dangers in the world

    Te suggestive: Naming things and defining, without much substance makes the person satisfied


    But I'm sure these things have been discussed better before, these are just some of my examples
    Thanks. Well you see I find that very concise to the bone definitions are just what I need to clear up the fog most of the time, so it works just fine. It's better when it comes straight fro the horse's mouth because frankly, a lot of type manifestations examples on the wiki are too theoretical, and sometimes far removed from reality. It's what happens when you hypothesize too much, I don't like it.

    On that note, I'm in serious need of and Suggestive personal anecdotes by ILEs and LIEs . If anyone knows a thread where it was discussed, hit me up.

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    @Tallmo:
    That means every person has two weak spots,
    the suggestive function is the concious weak spot
    and the vulnerable function is the unconcious weak spot of a person

    What would being Fe-suggestive look like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Ne suggestive: ...lurking dangers in the world
    Hmm... Does the believe in man made climate change and forseeing upcoming trouble make me Ne-suggestive?

    I relate to the description of Ne-dom and inferior Si while a had a job that forced me to use a lot of Te and Sensing. I had to suppress the use of Ne and Ti, which was bad for my mental health condition at that time span.

    But I also can see that Ti-dom and inferior Fe can be true for me, too.
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    Oh yeah, I forgot to ask for suggestive too! Concrete example seriously needed

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    if you think of base/suggestive as being in a dichotomous relationship, it would make sense for them to be in a 50/50 relationship of awareness. but its more like a 90/10% relationship where the base function is the main criteria for what the person pays attention to. what this means is whenever you run into your suggestive, you can never really "get enough" because its defined as the information that informs your base function and is constantly in short supply. what this means is when you make judgements or perceive phenomena you construe them, unconsciously, as being the product of a 50/50 balance, except that you supply the other half with only %10 the attention of the first half. So you have a very high res picture of one side of the yin/yang and a very low res picture of the other side. But nevertheless each side is innate to any such judgement/perception. in other words, you cannot not implicate your dichotomous function when you use one side of the pair. what happens is you just unconsciously fill in the blank space to round out the judgement or perception. this makes your suggestive useful in a way you can never get enough of, by definition, because as soon as you could reach 50/50 you would now switch from rational to irrational (or vice versa) and you would sandwich the more evenly split dichotomy into the creative/mobilizing slots [1].

    what this means is the suggestive function punches above its weight in terms of how much time you spend absorbing it and how much it weights every judgement/perception you make. this is exactly what we call being "suggestible" it means we inflate the value of the information on our suggestive channel

    what makes duality great is its a division of labor that equilibrates this imbalance in a way that is mutually satisfying and useful

    if you think of Fi as "principled reasoning" then Te is information bearing on all the objective factors of any given scenario. Fi will go into all the details of the subjective ethics, but Te informs what's really at stake. In other words its the real cost-benefit analysis, whereas Fi gauges the "humanity" of the thing. In a sense Fi ego is always open to more facts because it necessarily changes or could change the Fi meaning of the situation. In other words Te is what makes Fi "not ignorant" when making its value judgements. Fi in the air can't really do anything because it has nothing to assess in the same way Te doesn't know what to do without Fi to direct it towards some goal.



    [1] in this sense, sufficient self-dualization would constitute a real change in personality type. I do think this is possible and does happen, albeit extremely rarely. I think this is why Jung potentially had trouble nailing his own type down, among other factors
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    There is an aspect I don't understand.
    Is this inbalance of base and suggestive function about quantity or quality?
    Means: How much of each function I use or how skillful I can use each function?

    My notion is there is a function that is painful stressful in case I utilize it in myself and a function that I perceive as painful in case a other person use it while interacting with me.
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    think of Fi/Te as two parts to one whole. The whole is an even split. But humans spend 90% of their effort fleshing out only one half of the whole. Whenever they see information on the other half they like it, but they don't spend nearly as much time generating it themselves as they do the base function. so whatever they put out is like a an entire image, but one side is rendered in high resolution and the other in low resolution. The low res side is based on an inflation of a relatively smaller amount of information, compared to the high res side, that has been enlarged to fit the space required to mirror the other half, but its all full of artifacts and blur. So whenever the world presents to them something that helps "clean up" that side, they like it, because they recognize it makes for a better picture, they just don't spend time doing it themselves--rather human nature is for individuals to specialize on one side.

    Duality is when you find "your other half"

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    This is really interesting:

    ETJs: “Focusing on my personal feelings and values (Fi) will bring me wholeness.”
    EFJs: “Becoming more logical and independent (Ti) will bring me wholeness.”
    ITPs: “Securing love or public esteem (Fe) will bring me wholeness.”
    IFPs: “Being responsible, pious, and/or organized (Te) will bring me wholeness.”
    INJs: “Directly beautifying the material world or acquiring wealth (Se) will bring me wholeness.”
    ISJs: “Producing clever ideas or theories (Ne) will bring me wholeness.”ESPs: “Holding firm to my own theories (Ni) will bring me wholeness.”
    ENPs: “Acting dutifully, according to past precedent (Si), will bring me wholeness.”
    Jumping the stack eventually leads to frustration, exhaustion, and dissatisfaction; it is ultimately an unsustainable mode of psychological functioning. What follows are some examples of what jumping the stack might look like for the various types:
    ITPs: Helping/advising/teaching people directly (Fe)
    IFPs: Working directly with systems/structures (Te)
    INJs: Visual or performing arts, or otherwise working to directly actualize (Se) ideas
    ISJs: Interpreting or generating new theories or ideas (Ne)
    ETJs: Focusing on personal emotions or values (Fi)
    EFJs: Trying to master logical subjects or cognitively regulate their emotions (Ti)
    ESPs: Preconceiving theories or interpretations (Ni)
    ENPs: Uncritically accepting or assimilating past beliefs/traditions (Si)
    Can't agree with all of them, but most are really spot on.

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    There's more:

    A healthier mode of psychological functioning, according to Schallock, is to proceed from the dominant function (i.e., the top of the stack) downward. In doing so, we start out with our strongest function, which allows us to operate in our most natural and optimal mode of operation. In moving downward through the four functions of the stack, the inferior is satisfied in a less direct, but more wholesome and sustainable way. This top-down approach is illustrated by the following examples:

    ITPs: Use powers of inner logic (Ti) in ways that indirectly influence human betterment (Fe)
    IFPs: Explore and express personal feelings and values (Fi) that indirectly effect change in systems/structures (Te)
    INJs: Perceive and generate theories/visions/ideas (Ni) that indirectly beautify or perfect the world (Se)
    ISJs: Defend and preserve traditions (Si), making way for new connections and insights (Ne)
    ETJs: Work to improve structures/systems (Te) that indirectly leads to the realization of personal emotions or values (Fi)
    EFJs: Help, teach, engage, and find support from others (Fe), paradoxically leading to a clearer sense of self and autonomy (Ti)
    ESPs: Perceive and act (Se), allowing meanings and insights to emerge over time (Ni)
    ENPs: Explore ideas and possibilities (Ne), allowing traditions, habits, and a sense of duty (Si) to emerge
    Edit: source it's PersonalityJunkie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    Duality is when you find "your other half"
    Means duality seeking is an other term for seeking supplement to complete and outbalance the own personality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    This is really interesting:





    Can't agree with all of them, but most are really spot on.
    I like that first part because it demonstrates people's attitude toward their suggestive, but the second part is silly, since people can and frequently do engage in work that stimulates their suggestive and they love it. its sort of like being dualized by your job, depending on the set up

    the third part I think gets back on track with clarifying what the second attempts to articulate but does so kind of poorly, its still sort of constrained by mbti typology. for example the INJ and INP description could both apply to EII

    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Means duality seeking is an other term for seeking supplement to complete and outbalance the own personality?
    exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    There is an aspect I don't understand.
    Is this inbalance of base and suggestive function about quantity or quality?
    Means: How much of each function I use or how skillful I can use each function?

    My notion is there is a function that is painful in case I utilize it in myself and a function that I perceive as painful in case a other person use it while interacting with me.
    This is a diagram of how the functions appear in types. In this case the functions or IEs of LII in socionics :



    The 5th function is the suggestive or seeking. The 4th function is the PoLR or vulnerable. Both are this way because are functions working just in 1 dimension (first person, subjective). Its about quality, use, ability with certain function.

    Maybe you'd find useful to check out the dimensionality of functions:

    http://en.socionicasys.org/teorija/d...cii/razmernost

    http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/functions/Super-Ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    There's more...
    Yes, but that is MBTI. has a bit different definition in Socionics.
    In MBTI is about stability and familiarity. A desire for things you want to stay the same.
    is about ideas for change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    I like that first part because it demonstrates people's attitude toward their suggestive, but the second part is silly, since people can and frequently do engage in work that stimulates their suggestive and they love it. its sort of like being dualized by your job, depending on the set up

    the third part I think gets back on track with clarifying what the second attempts to articulate but does so kind of poorly, its still sort of constrained by mbti typology. for example the INJ and INP description could both apply to EII
    I agree with the first part. The second is a moot point imo since I can say the same about type specific function manifestations in Socionics too. There's much more variation then the theory allows at the moment. It was precisely by trying to perfectly fit the box in all sides and tick all the traits as exemplified that have held me from nailing down my type for years. Obviously, this is in my case a perfect example of my Lead function which I, like a fool, have dismissed as key until now.

    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Yes, but that is MBTI. has a bit different definition in Socionics.
    In MBTI is about stability and familiarity. A desire for things you want to stay the same.
    is about ideas for change.
    Yes Captain Obvious, but this thread was based on an MBTI article. We have been discussing the differences between weakest functions in both systems for the past while, I don't see why you're pointing out the obvious.

    I been know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    Yes Captain Obvious, but this thread was based on an MBTI article. We have been discussing the differences between weakest functions in both systems for the past while, I don't see why you're pointing out the obvious.
    Sorry, I wasn't aware of this, because I'm a member of this forum for only about 5 weeks now.
    I didn't read older posts... yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Sorry, I wasn't aware of this, because I'm a member of this forum for only about 5 weeks now.
    I didn't read older posts... yet.
    You didn't read the first post on this thread? Then how come you were commenting on it?

    Anyways, I apologize for snapping, it's just that people pointing out the obvious for no good reason is my pet peeve.

    I also consider myself a newbie, but even so, welcome!

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    I think WinnieW was right to point out that MBTI and socionics diverge significantly, thus you can't necessarily take statements grounded in MBTI to apply across the board (or even be valid unto themselves, if you consider MBTI flawed in a way that bears on the statements given). at the very least its not so self evident that a reminder is worthless. I think there's a lot of underlying nuance to understanding what is right and what is problematic about those statements and a lot of it relates back to how they understand the information elements. If someone says on the basis of MBTI it is likely INJs won't flourish with dancing as a career, it really does raise all sorts of issues. Bottom line is I think its fair to disregard that "advice" while keeping some of the broader, well made, points in mind

    on the whole I feel like there's a ton of useful information in there though so we're all friends here. no one is bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    You didn't read the first post on this thread? Then how come you were commenting on it?
    I did, but I can't read the acronym MBTI in the first post.

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    I relate to Si with unhealthy Ne and Ti with unhealthy Fe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    I did, but I can't read the acronym MBTI in the first post.
    I posted the link when Syrup asked for it, it literally says "mbti-notes" on it. I also thought people would highlight and google passages when there was no given source, but apparently that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Just different terminology

    Jung talks about "inferior" when referring to "suggestive"
    Ahh okay.. So it's actually suggestive in socionics xD

    Socionics terms are very hard to memorize

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playing With Fire View Post
    I posted the link when Syrup asked for it, it literally says "mbti-notes" on it. I also thought people would highlight and google passages when there was no given source, but apparently that's just me.
    Sorry, I missed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    Chickieeee! Omg thank you!!!

    "Do past mistakes or negative past events dog you or make you believe that it is not worth working towards a future goal? Do you feel paralyzed when you think about the future, imagining all the things that could go wrong if you make the wrong decision?"

    That describes exactly how I feel sometimes.

    I was never conscious however, that past experiences were determining my passive present approach to situations. But I do exactly feel as some questions pointed out.

    The text describes also the anxious root of IEEs neurosis.

    And the other day I described LIEs as wanting their emotions pampered and this article is exactly what they do... Feeling appreciated and encouraged and blah blah, their emotions being pampered I'd say. Otherwise they feel hurt and like they are victims of others. Also it explains why sometimes they feel irrationally (baselessly) hopeless (when is evident to me that there are solutions), and why they take such stupid decisions.
    @Adam Strange see? Thats what I was talking about.

    This is so useful, share more of this!

    Which is the source or link btw?

    Edit, this is SEI af:

    "Do you become very careless or lose control over details that you’re usually quite good with? Do you feel your mind is in a fog and you act erratically, sometimes irritable and withdrawn, while other times too loud and obnoxious? (loss of healthy dominant Si functioning) Do you suddenly want to try out some new outlandish idea? Do you feel out of control and act more impulsively with less social inhibition, such as uncharacteristically snapping at others or saying things that you know will be hurtful or damaging?"

    I went to hs with a SEI guy, he was quiet and reasonable and kind, then, out of the blue he would make insensitive jokes or hit someone or something (once he pushed a friend into a fountain). My ILE friend loved this and I understand right now why he found so funny when I behave openly harsh.
    Thanks.. I've found mine too.

    Here's the source!

    But this is more mbti though.. But easier to understand!

    http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/11...erior-function

    But then, there's similarities

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