I bet Si lead women are the most in tune with their periods.
and Ni leads are in tune with the moon cycles.Originally Posted by Olimpia
I bet Si lead women are the most in tune with their periods.
The moon is a feminine symbol, universally representing the rhythm of time as it embodies the cycle. The phases of the moon symbolize immortality and eternity, enlightenment or the dark side of Nature herself. It might reflect inner knowledge, or the phases of man's condition on earth, since it controls the tides, the rains, the waters, and the seasons. It is the middle ground between the light of the sun and the darkness of night, and thus often represents the realm between the conscious and the unconscious. In astrology, the moon is a symbol of the soul, and in the horoscope it determines the subject's capacity for reflection and adaptation. It also provides analogy for the stages of human development: the new moon is infancy, the crescent is youth and adolescence, the full moon is maturity and pregnancy, and the waning moon represents the decline of life, sleep.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Se/Ni Duality
Ideally, an Ni lead looks at the chessboard of life and determines the best moves, and the Se lead moves the chess pieces for them.
On their own, an Ni lead usually sees some good strategy or plan of action, but may feel like their hand is too weak to make the move.
This can conjure up a feeling of helplessness and weakness, which at the worst makes the Ni lead close their eyes and step away from the chessboard, away from the game of life.
P.S: This dynamic applies the best to IxI-Ni + SxE-Se Duality, and to a lesser extent to the other Se/Ni matches.
The magic of Socionics can make a human which is objectively weird in something to become there assured and think himself there kind of expert. Just mistype someone.
Just because socionics is a good hammer doesn't mean the whole world is made of nails.
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Just because besides the hammer of socionics the world also has screwdrivers of important non-types factors does not mean the hammer is useless.
Olimpia you still never answered my question.
Okay, coming back to this question.Olimpia you still never answered my question.
I am not sure how to answer this one, because I've never really "clashed" with Fi ego gay male(s) specifically before.
Gay men usually either leave me alone or are polite but distant or are friendly with me.
There is no such thing as wrong type cause all types are equal.
A 9 fix can make someone act pseudo-victim without being so, and an 8 fix can make someone act pseudo-aggressor without being so.
No matter whether they even value Se/Ni or not.
1D Fi and Asshole-ry
1D Fi often tends to act like an asshole, in general, no matter whether Seeking or PoLR.
The Fi seekers wanna be put into the(ir) right Fi place (usually unconsciously), the PoLR ones don't. That's the difference.
Fi seekers often act asshole-ish on purpose with that unconscious desire for someone to correct their moral blunders. Fi PoLR are rarely assholes like that on purpose (whenever they are it's rather accidental or unintentional) and they'll be upset if you try to correct them.
For example, my LSE father sometimes makes morally inappropriate jokes on purpose and gets a weird kick out of someone getting upset and trying to morally correct him about it. And he can get weirdly tender if someone tells him how he's acted wrongly at times during being an asshole.
An xLE would react the opposite. He'd be upset or bothered if you got upset and tried to correct them.
With some LIEs I see them trying to push back against certain moral correction with their Se HA (which can seem like unvalued Fi superficially) sometimes, but secretly they love and seek out the exchange, like Ben Shapiro. An xLE would never willingly subject themselves to moral debates like he does.
Cool story brrrrruh
in the eyes of Ti seekers
base Te prefer to be polite. such to not reduce sympathy (Fi) from others and not provoke annoying Fe near
some exclusion is where they feel themselves "on the duty crusade" - there concentrate on T (main social role) by the cost of ejecting F, so become blind to emotions own and of others
> Fi PoLR are rarely assholes like that on purpose
superego is the most problematic region - people are weak and don't like to study
> And he can get weirdly tender if someone tells him how he's acted wrongly at times during being an asshole.
not someone. only if that other is perceived as good and friendly person. though base Te may accept an opinion unconsciously
It's good way to return their favour after they were offenced and stoped normal communication. If you say them "sorry" - they forgive you much easier.
(longer variant)
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I think I'm 9 then, if that's the case. I can definitely relate to that description, at least in terms of the general themes; I can be upset with somebody but if they just apologize I can't stay mad anymore. I'd just feel bad to keep up the hostility after that.
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my is E-1
I find myself relating to the 9 description as well.
If you think there are 60+ genders, good chance you're not going to like socionics.
Type 9 makes any ITR better – on the surface.
"Wow, this interaction is so harmonious, they are so accepting of me, this is great."
Some time later, the 9 disappears from your life (more likely if w1) or explodes (more likely if w8).
And then you are like "Oops. My mistake."
P.S: This applies best to core, but can also apply to fix.
On the flip side, it looks like Type 8 makes any ITR worse.Type 9 makes any ITR better – on the surface.
"Wow, this interaction is so harmonious, they are so accepting of me, this is great."
Some time later, the 9 disappears from your life (more likely if w1) or explodes (more likely if w8).
And then you are like "Oops. My mistake."
P.S: This applies best to core, but can also apply to fix.
Mostly/Especially if the person is unhealthy. But... Any ITR is worsened by poor mental health, so.
Not exactly m8
Maybe next time when my throat chakra has opened.
I read the other day that Illusionary is also called "false duality". That makes a lot of sense in my relations to SEE and why we get along so well
illusionary is a pretty shitty relation cuz u ignore the persons lead function lol. its called that way cuz their role + creative = your duals ego functions, and since the SEE would be using ne role at first they mimick IEE untill they drop their guard and use seI read the other day that Illusionary is also called "false duality". That makes a lot of sense in my relations to SEE and why we get along so well
Illusionary is ok, as long as you remember you fit partially and s/he is not your dual. Ideally is duality, but illusionary has chemistrh too. Thats what theory says and my experience.
http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/i...ps/Illusionary
yeah mirage is way up there on the comfort rankings. the ignoring thing isn't as big as a problem as it may seem I don't think. at the very least it could be way worse, so relative to other ITRs mirage ranks pretty highly
Im pretty sure mirage is at least below average.
For me supervision is worst (because im an 8)
Then i can guess the opposite quadra relations are some of the worst too. And then i think mirage might be there. At leadt for me, my leading function being ignored is pretty annoying. I have an sei uncle and its kind of weird. He kinda thinks lowly of me cuz he ignores se and i think the same of all his si stuff. Other than that hes cool, but not if u would example share a house together, cuz then id offend his si too much. Benefit is somewhere around the middle. Could be bad but also rlly good depending on the situation.
Family is not so good point of reference always. F.E. I've an IEI family member and living with her was hell. Until this day I get annoyed by her attitude at home (lazy, selfish, rude, victimish, etc etc), but I also have an IEI male friend and hes not the same (he's tons more positive, agreeable, helpful, chill etc,) they have different e types too, first is 4, my friend is 9.
Well according to socionics the IR is pretty much the same with every type once u get close. Agreed tho when u live together its very easy to get annoyed with pretty much anyone
If the friend is close and types are correct, then IR work similar. Nontypes factors may affect the situation, but often the types are other. <20% average typing match - it's a lot of wrong types. IEI should be your superego, - one of the worst IR, so it's hard to assume the types are same if you describe him so positively. I had mediocre realtions with EIE women, - no personal attraction, alien people - but when they behave normally you may deal with them. Also I tire near them, what reminds conflictors effect on me.
Mirage can be not bad pals - they are relatively pleasant. Do not expect from them much, as friendship is mostly about suggestive complement.
Socionics is about how to do not spend your love on those who do not deserve it.
so judgmental omg
I have judgmental type.
We stay with a honor on the peak of peoples reason. Protecting weak humans minds from the chaos of the reality.
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