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    I want to hear more about this Fi ego gay male(s) olimpia clashed with. I want the juicy details not just a girly 'hehe they weren't alpha male enough for me' that you always pull cuz yeah duh I already get that.

    But details is Te, right?

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    according to Filatova SLE balls are 3" across and Olimpia measured this guy and he turned out to have tiny 1" soyboy balls ergo Fi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    according to Filatova SLE balls are 3" across and Olimpia measured this guy and he turned out to have tiny 1" soyboy balls ergo Fi
    Sorry to disappoint, but I don't measure balls, even if they are Se ego.

    Wait... did you just admit you have tiny balls?
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    Dat Role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    according to Filatova SLE balls are 3" across
    It's evident, Watson. SLE often cheat, IEI girls hit them at balls and those swell to become bigger.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    It's evident, Watson. SLE often cheat, IEI girls hit them at balls and those swell to become bigger.
    Wtf haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAAd city View Post
    Hmmmmmmm.

    1 thing I'm curious about: Naranjo says that type 9 can be super extroverted, as in taking all of the focus away from their inner world/feelings. He even correlates it with Kiersey's ESFJ (though, IIRC, he also correlates with Si or ISTJ in MBTI terms). From your list, it seems like you think that 9 is almost always IxFx in Socionics terms. Is there any room for any Socionics extrovert to type as 9 or no?

    What you described sounds more like a 7, they extrovert and look outside of theirselves to avoid being with the pain that's inside of them.

    9s withdraw from other people because of different reasons. one is that they dont want to deal with others problems and conflicts (whereas a 7, and most likely 7 with a 8 fix, can find arguments exciting and fun, because it removes boredom and sadness), and another is that they risk getting chastized for something if they do whatever they want in company of other people, so its easier to be alone and just do whatever they want. This is how I've interpreted it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Sorry to disappoint, but I don't measure balls, even if they are Se ego.

    Wait... did you just admit you have tiny balls?
    yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    What you described sounds more like a 7, they extrovert and look outside of theirselves to avoid being with the pain that's inside of them.

    9s withdraw from other people because of different reasons. one is that they dont want to deal with others problems and conflicts (whereas a 7, and most likely 7 with a 8 fix, can find arguments exciting and fun, because it removes boredom and sadness), and another is that they risk getting chastized for something if they do whatever they want in company of other people, so its easier to be alone and just do whatever they want. This is how I've interpreted it anyway.
    His words, not mine.

    But he means it more as them being dead inside. They aren't necessarily sociable or hyperactive like 7s are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    according to Filatova SLE balls are 3" across and Olimpia measured this guy and he turned out to have tiny 1" soyboy balls ergo Fi
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAAd city View Post
    His words, not mine.

    But he means it more as them being dead inside. They aren't necessarily sociable or hyperactive like 7s are.
    They're not dead inside lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    They're not dead inside lol
    I think he refers to them having a lack of "interiority," however that is to be interpreted. Or I've heard "asleep to themselves" from other authors as well.

    I don't personally think that they're dead inside either, I was being tongue-in-cheek with that wording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    No, extroverted 5s don't exist.
    No, introverted 7s don't exist.

    If you self type as ILE 5, you are likely LII-Ne 5.
    If you self type as Ixxx 7, something's wrong with you. You are probably a try hard 9 or 5. Stop it.
    LSI-Se 7 exists. You're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    LSI-Se 7 exists. You're wrong.
    You mean 6w7 LSI-Se ?
    Yeah, they can often come across as 7 core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    You mean 6w7 LSI-Se ?
    Yeah, they can often come across as 7 core.
    No, I mean 7w6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    No, I mean 7w6
    Probably a mistyped SLE then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Probably a mistyped SLE then.
    No lol

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    Enneagram needs another 7 descriptions to make 16

    Otherwise we just have to put everyone else in E6

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    Counting wings you have 18.

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    Default Emotions vs Fe (for Advanced Dummies)

    "Strategic" emotional expression (mainly through things like tone of voice, facial expressions, and "emotional charge") is , according to my understanding. Just being "emotional" doesn't make you Fe Ego (or Demonstrative). It's about the strategic use of emotional expression for certain goals. Those goals are usually tied to the person's Quadra (and instinctual stacking; make sure you can differentiate between the two, for Sx/So typically seems Beta without necessarily being so etc.). In that manner, non-Fe-valuing types also engage in Fe. Especially ExFps do so; but for them, the Fe is used for their Quadra values, which do not include Fe. With Fe Ego types, the Fe itself is part of their value system; so they use Fe for its own sake.

    When you are just being "emotional", there is no particular strategy or goal attached to it. You cannot help yourself. You feel sad, you cry. You are happy, you laugh. But there is no "agenda" or strategy. That is not necessarily (strong) Fe, that is just having emotions. (Though it seems like IxTx-Tx individuals tend to feel "less" on a regular basis, so there is some correlation between weak Fe and "weak emotions". But I think this also depends on neuroticism levels; the higher your neuroticism, the more negative emotions you'll have on a regular basis, no matter your type.) On the other hand, Fe cries so that others cry with them; Fe laughs so that others laugh with them, etc. Fe tries to transfer to or conjure up specific emotions in other people strategically through the use of visible and/or audible emotional expression. And people who have strong Fe (ExFx) are the most skilled at doing so, with Fe leads being the most focused on it. They are in touch with people's emotions all the time; it is as if those emotions formed an energy field all around them, and the Fe lead person moves within it, trying to "turn on" or "turn off" certain areas, depending on what seems the most appropriate in the moment.

    P.S: That "strategic" employment of Fe is largely coming naturally to Fe ego and particularly Lead types. It is not like they consciously try to be or act that way, they just "are" and do so.
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    Default Se and its psychological qualities

    Se is not only about physical pressure or force, but also (or mainly?) about the psychological kind.

    Strong -Se would be best at applying psychological pressure, whereas strong +Se is best at resisting it.

    SLE vs SEE

    Unstoppable force vs Immovable object

    Note: Both SLE and SEE can use both + and - Se, but they favor one notation over the other.

    If you want someone to make the enemy bow down to them, find an SLE.
    If you want someone to resist the opposition's pressure, find an SEE.

    Tell an SEE (or LSx-Sx) to do something they don't want to do. You'll bite on granite.
    Tell an SLE (or ESx-Sx) they cannot do something they wanna do. They'll do anything to prove you wrong and do it anyway.
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    Default Type 9 clue

    If you are prone to adapting to people (friends, romantic partners, parents etc.),
    for example in the form of adopting their interests or somewhat morphing your personality to fits theirs,
    you are most likely 9 fix and/or wing.

    The more so, the 'higher up' the 9 is in your tritype.
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    Lol xD good thread. You should create a blog about socionics because it's hard to read backwards xDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    Lol xD good thread. You should create a blog about socionics because it's hard to read backwards xDD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Oh crap. That's cool! You actually do that?? 😂 thanks

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    Wink Flirting Game

    The way someone flirts is gonna reveal which IEs they value; and if you are very observant, also whether they are a static or dynamic type.

    Let's play a game. Can you guess their type?

     
    I smile while making eye contact. I also say horribly cheesy things, like "what's cookin' good lookin'?" as I pat him on the shoulder, or make horrible puns. I'm very playful and like to stay upbeat. This gets the guy to relax more around me, and eventually leads to good conversation... gets better from there.
     
    Ne/Si valuing Ethical Extrovert (IEE specifically)


    Firstly, I will not be interested unless I already know them fairly well. Then I just say it, simply because I want to avoid confusion.
     
    Fi ego


    Flirting is my favorite sport on either side of the equation. I wish more people just flirted with each other, without it having to be so loaded for some. It just shows we have attraction for/appreciation for/enjoyment of others and life itself, all of which are worth celebrating and playing with.
     
    Ti ego


    I don't flirt at all. Flirting lacks serious intent by definition. If I expressed attraction to someone, I would take it seriously.
     
    Te Creative (ILI specifically)


    I used to struggle with chasing games but when I met my current partner it was totally mutual interest and I love that. No head games no pain just direct honesty and openness.
     
    Ne/Si valuing


    [L]ove is about mutual respect and communication and not about "chasing" people. "Chasing" a person who is not interested is rude and not cool
     
    Delta, most likely EII-Fi


    If we have vibing rapport with one another, and there appears to be mutual interest, I'm straight up asking her out. If she says no, I'm moving on. If I get asked out but say no, she's gotta move on. That simple.
     
    Ij male (Static introvert; Se Creative specifically)


    I love being chased, but I also love the feeling of flirting and winning someone's attention xD
     
    Ni/Se valuing Ethical


    Used to be horrible at it. Found it to be very awkward/annoying/fake. But now, when I'm having fun and totally let myself go, it just sort of happens. But even that is just like...throwing balloons at people at the dance and slapping people with my ponytail. Being a goofball and enjoying the attention. But leading someone on? That's just not cool. I would never want to do that. And if I had serious feelings for someone, I would probably either give big hints or just straight out tell them, once I got the courage.
     
    Delta NF


    I'm so fucking clueless on this shit. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't notice she likes me till her tongue is half way down my throat. Or when I do think they're flirting it's really just being nice..FML. oh yeah..
     
    Ni ego, especially Lead


    I suck at casual. I dont flirt for fun. Don't flirt with me unless you are really interested.
     
    Gamma


    [My husband] [w]ouldn't know if someone was coming on to him if they jumped them and started grinding on him.
     
    ILI husband


    It's all or nothing... when there's chemistry, the anticipation of physical contact is the best part. Once it happens, all "rules" go out the window. But one wrong move on their part and it's instant ice queen.
     
    ESI woman


    Overtly. Though it may seem subtle to the "flirtee"
     
    Ij (Static introvert; Se Creative specifically)


    If they had cameras in our house they could make a show out of it. Some of the stuff we say makes us crack up so hard. We playfight a lot or fence with words. Funny thing is our friends all get uncomfortable because they think its real fights.
     
    Beta ST (SLE specifically)


    It's pretty simple. See something we like, investigate it further. As in interacting, up close, right in the mix. There's no special method or scheme. It's like the Nike slogan--Just Do It.
     
    Beta ST (LSI-Se specifically)


    I touch you and make dirty jokes.
     
    Se ego (likely Lead)


    I suppose what I'm saying is that the more one flirts with [me] the more [I] respond if [I] like you. If not, then [I] will go awkward.
     
    EIE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    If you want to be some type, but anything is against it. Just try Reinin's traits or other heresy to rationalize it.
    If you are getting IR contradictions, then instead of seeking for comfortable heresies, - just explain this by non-types factors, as there are a lot of them for this.
    If nothing helps and you really want to be some type and to have some IR, - then think and say to anyone like "I don't care about Socionics, IR and don't take it seriously" and then being consecutive assign to yourself and your partner the needed types.
    Sol, do you think ALL Reinin dichotomies are garbage? I kind of like the idea behind them. It gives me an idea of completeness. And while some of them may seem ambiguous, others like the judicious/decisive one seem pretty relatable. For example, I know for sure that according to the description I'm a judicious type.
    I really would like to improve my typing skills, but I spend a lot of time thinking whether it may be useful to study something, since it may be false information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyne View Post
    do you think ALL Reinin dichotomies are garbage?
    All of them have no good basis to be used. Too far from the core Jung's theory and without significant experimental basis. There are many hypotheses of similar status. Reinin's traits became popular mostly because they were described by Augustinavichiute where she said it's rather raw. There was Lytov's article about them. They need experimental basis to be taken seriously.

    > I kind of like the idea behind them.

    It's better to avoid so doubtful theory on practice - you'll risk lesser to mistake because it may be wrong partly or completely.
    Jung's dichotomies and 8 functions, model A, and IR are enough.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I gotta admit, I enjoyed learning about Reinin dichotomies when they were new to me, but in practice I never use them because they're too sketchy to be more helpful than misleading. they're basically an interesting novelty but you can do everything they do (at present) better via other means, namely typing

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    I was going through multiple socionics articles about the same topic, written by 6 different experts.... and well I realized one thing: the best (?) thing in socionics is that none agrees on anything.

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    Introduction in MBTI terms

     


    Measuring you right now

    Winning is for losers

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    If you say to a girl about wrong type in her profile and she becomes angry, there is good chance she types her lover to dual of that type.
    If this girl changes the type in her profile after time, then probably she's in new relations.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    people can either retype everyone around them or retype themselves, the bottom line is they're adjusting their worldview based on new perceptions (the irrational method). and the third way is the gulenko/sol method which is to create an entirely new typology (rational). its not that people don't update their worldview its how they prefer to go about it. im tired about the complaints that this happens, it can't not happen if you're paying attention. everyone does it, it boils back down to preference as to how. that people try to understand themselves and others at all is the therapeutic value of socionics and its what unites everyone here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Introduction in MBTI terms

     


    Socionics for dummies literally is just MBTI. So this fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Socionics for dummies literally is just MBTI. So this fits.
    MBT was Jung dummies from the start, which even can't understand what Jung have written about functional model of introverts
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Do you complain a lot at work and about work?

    You might be delta.

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