Differences in semi-duality between perceiving and judging leading types

[Saoirse]

There's probably a Reinin dichotomy word for this, but I don't know it, so please let me know if there's a more concise way to describe what I'm talking about. Mainly I'm thinking, it's interesting that different semi-dual relations have different deficits. For example, EII-LIE is deficient in sensing, while IEI-SEE is deficient in logic. Some are deficient in a perceiving IE (sensing/intuiting), while others are deficient in a judging IE (thinking/feeling). Does this affect how well a semi-dual relation works? Is it tied in with instinctual variants/enneagram somehow as well?

My intuition is that it's easier to make a relation deficient in a perceiving IE work. After all, the most common MBTI relationship recommendation is to date someone with the same S or N as you. But, maybe my intuition is wrong. I'd like to hear others' experiences and thoughts on the matter.

[Olimpia]

One difference I find quite significant is that Semi-Duality relations lacking in logic or ethics have the matching romance/erotic styles (aka Victim + Aggressor, Childlike + Infantile), whereas the other relations don't. However, having mismatched judging/rational IEs can be potentially more stressful than mismatched perceiving/irrational IEs, though I think that is also subtype related (a Sensing subtype is going to be more concerned with or annoyed by mismatched Sensing, for instance). So as a whole, it seems like the enjoyment of both kinds of Semi Duality relations is going to be around equal at the end. The main upside being either matched Romance Styles or matched rational IEs.

[Sanguine Miasma]

You kind of do constant workarounds when it comes to creative.

I think when rational IE is creative it is bit more problem solving focused (but not that agreeable) and when creative IE is irrational you kind of have all sorts of non-addressed regrets.

LSI thinks about ESE: Why does not she leave my stuff alone. For instance.

[Olimpia]

My intuition is that it's easier to make a relation deficient in a perceiving IE work. After all, the most common MBTI relationship recommendation is to date someone with the same S or N as you. But, maybe my intuition is wrong. I'd like to hear others' experiences and thoughts on the matter.

That MBTI recommendation is based only on the most basic dichotomies and not the information elements, hence it can be quite limited. However, it can work fine in a practical sense, because it is much easier to meet someone who is either S or N like you are, you'll naturally cross paths that way. I've written an extensive blog post on that before.

And yes, as you and I have said, matching rational IEs can make an interaction potentially easier, however this is also quite subtype dependent. When I think about it, the majority of people I have typed have been a rational subtype. And a rational subtype will be more concerned with their partner valuing the same rational IE. So that surely influences what kind of types they'll get along with better.

Whether you'll prefer your Semi Dual or Mirage partner will mostly be subtype-dependent (apart from other non-socionics related factors, like attraction patterns etc). Inert subtype individuals will prefer their Semi Dual, Contact subtype individuals will prefer their Mirage partner, on average. Having said that, Semi-Duality seems to have an edge over Mirage even for many Contact subtype individuals, because the Dual-seeking IE in the Semi Dual can still be quite attractive and enticing.

[Adam Strange]

That MBTI recommendation is based only on the most basic dichotomies and not the information elements, hence it can be quite limited. However, it can work fine in a practical sense, because it is much easier to meet someone who is either S or N like you are, you'll naturally cross paths that way. I've written an extensive blog post on that before.

And yes, as you and I have said, matching rational IEs can make an interaction potentially easier, however this is also quite subtype dependent. When I think about it, the majority of people I have typed have been a rational subtype. And a rational subtype will be more concerned with their partner valuing the same rational IE. So that surely influences what kind of types they'll get along with better.

Whether you'll prefer your Semi Dual or Mirage partner will mostly be subtype-dependent (apart from other non-socionics related factors, like attraction patterns etc). Inert subtype individuals will prefer their Semi Dual, Contact subtype individuals will prefer their Mirage partner, on average. Having said that, Semi-Duality seems to have an edge over Mirage even for many Contact subtype individuals, because the Dual-seeking IE in the Semi Dual can still be quite attractive and enticing.

I am LIE (ENTj), and when it comes to Semi-dual or Mirage, I prefer Semi-dual relations for my professional life, and Mirage relations for my personal life. but that is because the Mirage partner matches my sexual axis (erotic style), while the Semi-dual does not.

The semi-dual (EII - INFj) makes complete rational sense to me. We pretty much share values and life directions, but there is no romantic spark there. With the Mirage (LSI - ISTj), there is plenty of spark, but we simply do not share anything like a common vision, nor can we agree on how to approach anything in life.
But both of them are judging types.
(My goal is to find a compromise between them. A dual (ESI - ISFj))

I have dated most of the introverts in the socion, and if I had to order them in terms of long term compatibility, it would look something like this:

1. ISFj - ESI
2. ISTp - SLI yep. Right. It worked for me, for a long time, anyway.
3. INFj - EII - focus on the professional life.
4. ISTj - LSI - focus on the sex and camping and theater, avoid mention of anything work-related.

The remaining ones are really not long term. Actually, any except the first two above are probably not long term.
5. INFp - IEI - get a smart one. Do stuff for her in the physical realm. You can joke with her, be very familiar, call her names, but never criticize.
6. INTp - ILI - the dates went nowhere (as you'd expect from two Victims)
7. ISFp - SEI - I've seen good and bad ones. The good I could actually see in a LTR, but the bad maxes out at five minutes.
8. INTj - LII - My sister is LII, and I love her, but she can be dangerously, self-destructively nuts if she isn't getting enough Fe. I know an LIE married to an LII, and his life is a living hell. Come to think of it, my sister is married to an LSE, and his life is a living hell, too. She was much happier dating an EIE.

This seems to show that I have a clear preference for Ixxj types.

[Sol]

> There's probably a Reinin dichotomy word for this

The best words Reinin's dichotomies deserve is - don't use that bs.