View Poll Results: what is Snowden's sociotype?

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  • ILE (ENTp)

    2 50.00%
  • SEI (ISFp)

    0 0%
  • ESE (ESFj)

    0 0%
  • LII (INTj)

    1 25.00%
  • IEI (INFp)

    0 0%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    0 0%
  • LSI (ISTj)

    0 0%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    0 0%
  • SEE (ESFp)

    0 0%
  • ILI (INTp)

    0 0%
  • ESI (ISFj)

    0 0%
  • LIE (ENTj)

    0 0%
  • IEE (ENFp)

    0 0%
  • SLI (ISTp)

    1 25.00%
  • LSE (ESTj)

    0 0%
  • EII (INFj)

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    I've heard LII recently but don't find it particularly convincing. Tech (intel) fields I'm always thinking Te> Ti; He is very calm and collected in the manner of speech, unlike LII imo.

    What do you suggest? He talks about specifics, about concrete risks etc - rather not so abstract imo. At one point he said 'you focus on only one thing, and that's the mission', rather strategy may...be...? And at one point he implies his safety is not his #1 priority and that he's comfortable with the costs of his decisions.

    This is the video @wacey shared with me that made me wonder:
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    Quotes by Edward Snowden:

    Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
    ― Edward Snowden

    The reason you're reading this book is that I did a dangerous thing for a man in my position: I decided to tell the truth.
    ― Edward Snowden

    Study after study has show that human behavior changes when we know we’re being watched. Under observation, we act less free, which means we effectively *are* less free.
    ― Edward Snowden

    Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give to an American.

    These programs were never about terrorism: they're about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation.
    They're about power.

    The freedom of a country can only be measured by its respect for the rights of its citizens, and it’s my conviction that these rights are in fact limitations of state power that define exactly where and when a government may not infringe into that domain of personal or individual freedoms that during the American Revolution was called “liberty” and during the Internet Revolution is called “privacy.

    The government should be afraid of the people, the people shouldn't be afraid of the government.

    I was reminded of what is perhaps the fundamental rule of technological progress: if something can be done, it probably will be done, and possibly already has been.

    In the 1990s, the Internet had yet to fall victim to the greatest iniquity in digital history: the move by both government and businesses to link, as intimately as possible, users’ online personas to their offline legal identity.

    Technology doesn’t have a Hippocratic oath. So many decisions that have been made by technologists in academia, industry, the military, and government since at least the Industrial Revolution have been made on the basis of “can we,” not “should we.” And the intention driving a technology’s invention rarely, if ever, limits its application and use.”






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    "Inasmuch as it is nothing but pure communicability, every face, even the most noble and beautiful, is always suspended on the edge of an abyss"

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    Weird. I always thought he was LII, but now that I can hear him, he sounds like Steve Jobs, but I think he's ESI.

    Yeah, he is running the same software as an ESI that I work with.

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    I find him very pleasant to listen to, actually.
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    @Suz: actually that's something i experienced myself but didn't want to admit - he is very pleasant to listen to, i agree lol. His manner of speech is very very measured. So far i have introvert so Ixxx, but other than LII because I think he's a strategic-leaning type based on few statements (also LII tend to get quite worked up when they object to things and Snowden just doesn't)
    "Inasmuch as it is nothing but pure communicability, every face, even the most noble and beautiful, is always suspended on the edge of an abyss"

    They asked the fox, "Who's your witness?" The fox said, "My tail!"

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    So LII can't be suave and convincing?

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    @wacey indeed LIIs can be convincing but suave is not really something I'd associate with that type. Mostly here I'm paying attention to temperament where I don't see Ixxj rigidity namely and he seems to show little of himself more in line with Ixxp style afaik; I also don't hear him talk of Ti justice much. To a specific question about being pardoned he said that he wouldn't ask for it though he put it differently;
    "Inasmuch as it is nothing but pure communicability, every face, even the most noble and beautiful, is always suspended on the edge of an abyss"

    They asked the fox, "Who's your witness?" The fox said, "My tail!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delilah View Post
    @wacey indeed LIIs can be convincing but suave is not really something I'd associate with that type. Mostly here I'm paying attention to temperament where I don't see Ixxj rigidity namely and he seems to show little of himself more in line with Ixxp style afaik; I also don't hear him talk of Ti justice much. To a specific question about being pardoned he said that he wouldn't ask for it though he put it differently;
    He put it differently because thats how holographic thinkers, think. They reword differently the same idea.

    And Im not sure your understanding of the temperments, but from my understanding he is very Ij rigid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delilah View Post
    @wacey indeed LIIs can be convincing but suave is not really something I'd associate with that type. Mostly here I'm paying attention to temperament where I don't see Ixxj rigidity namely and he seems to show little of himself more in line with Ixxp style afaik; I also don't hear him talk of Ti justice much. To a specific question about being pardoned he said that he wouldn't ask for it though he put it differently;
    what can't they be suave? I guess if you are thinking they are cartoon aspies with spastic ADHD or something. Idea idea idea paper bag paper bag paper bag. The entirety of that interview is like PEAK Alpha Ti.

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    that's funny @wacey i was just thinking that they are not particularly distinguished for their suave ways,but in his case he just seems very concrete in his speech not very abstract at all for LII. Any sentences in particular from that video that makes you promote the Ti type for him? Examples are easy to follow.
    "Inasmuch as it is nothing but pure communicability, every face, even the most noble and beautiful, is always suspended on the edge of an abyss"

    They asked the fox, "Who's your witness?" The fox said, "My tail!"

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    LII, LSI, SLI. Good ability to stay calm but there is lots of history behind him that explains it. It is just something you get trained for. Just look what he did in his past.

    is way. According to my understanding he did something very non- by leaving his family behind. Am I right?
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    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Strange concordance lol, but yes, I'd been debating between ILI and SLI. Does he still live in Russia?
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    "Inasmuch as it is nothing but pure communicability, every face, even the most noble and beautiful, is always suspended on the edge of an abyss"

    They asked the fox, "Who's your witness?" The fox said, "My tail!"

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    probably LII

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    LII af.. no doubt. Watched the movie about him, he was always calm and collected throughout his life and is a very obvious logical type plus introvert. I also watch a live screening of him and he is democratic af too.

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    Did you work with me? Have we talked since 2013? Please recontact me securely, or talk to @bartongellman. It’s time. https://t.co/AKmgF5AIDJ
    — Edward Snowden (@Snowden) August 3, 2016
    Time for what, Snowden?

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    LII 1w9 sp/so

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    INFx like zuckerberg
    both sort of whistleblowers
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