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    Finally got around to doing this, @Sol.

    1. EIE (Interesting and well put-together. Respectable. I feel like they tell me important secrets for an important purpose. Queues are easy to read.)
    2. ESE (Exciting. Kind of all over the place, but engaging and fun.)
    3. SLE (Easy to understand.)
    4. SEI
    5. ILI
    6. SLI
    7. IEI
    8. EII
    9. LSE
    10. LSI
    11. SEE
    12. ILE
    13. LIE
    14. LII (Am I really supposed to find this attractive? Lol.)
    15. IEE (Does nothing for me. Annoying.)
    16. ESI (Grates on my nerves.)
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    I think EIE is just objectively the most effective at communicating and drawing attention, so people are more likely to respond well to them, regardless of type.
    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; genius hits a target no one else can see." - Schopenhauer

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    None of the urls display in my phone except in code when I go to reply.

    I still hope to do this test when I have a lot of time.
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    @A Moderator
    In case you did not saw the key before the sorting then results fit not bad to base Ti type. You have placed the both base Fe at very top, while base Fi to the last place and the other Fi to 2nd last.
    Among them, LSI looks as some more possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    None of the urls display in my phone except in code when I go to reply.
    This may be due to adblock/firewall settings which block the image hosting I used. You may try to open the page with images in one of online proxies (URL encryption option there mb needed), to add the image hosting to white list, to use a computer with other settings, etc.

    I've noticed that some clips by the links are removed. I should fix this during the next test update or mb sooner. At now, for those clips you may try to use the bloggers names (under the links) to find their channels and other clips with good seen face.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    At the library on a PC trying to load this but it's all blocked again.
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    My results (may not be completely exact):

    01. LII
    02. IEI
    03. ESE
    04. IEE
    05. SEI
    06. LIE
    07. ESI
    08. EII
    09. LSE
    10. LSI
    11. SEE
    12. EIE
    13. SLI
    14. ILE
    15. ILI
    16. SLE
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    @andreasdevig
    The contradictions are significant. Try to concentrate better on the recommended criterion and to use both sexes.
    To make a videointerview would be useful.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    @Sol Maybe I'll make a video. The test here is interesting, but it takes a long time to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andreasdevig View Post
    @Sol Maybe I'll make a video. The test here is interesting, but it takes a long time to do.
    The test in the current form is more a supportive method. To show what is more possible between some types.
    For example, IEI/INFP should not be your type according to having SLE on the last place and its subrevisie at top. While EII is significantly more possible.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    edit I'm stupid sorry
    Last edited by Uncle Ave; 01-13-2019 at 04:33 PM.


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    The link is in his signature, and HERE =)

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    @ToTheMoon 's (results)
    by nonverbal from video was supposed LII

    "Hey, that test was very interesting to take! I grabbed a couple of glimpses of all the videos included and after a moment of debating, came to the conclusion that my top faves would have to be:
    ESFj/ESE - I enjoyed how stable but energetic they were at the same time, and they looked as if they had so much of this combo in them that they could just share it and spread it all over their surroundings. I wish there were more than just two working videos for men of this type, though, two vids were a bit scarce for grasping the general idea of this type.
    INFj/EII - they mesmerized me. Very attractive men. Kinda want to meet each one and talk with them at length to get a better understanding of them (this happens to me sometimes and I usually leave disillusioned when all the mysteries go away ).
    ENFJ/EIE - they look warm and very considerate of others but so much fun at the same time. Didn't look very bright to me though . Which ultimately didn't really matter! (Sorry about that judgment.)
    INFp/IEI - so soothing! They look like they would be very accomodating and able to offer great understanding without being imposing and judgmental.

    I also liked INTj/LII but more like... they're such sweet children, slightly lost in the world, I want to hug them and tell them they'll be alright. Very warm feelings from me.
    [...]
    When I made your test, I noticed my strong negative reaction to IEE, to my surprise. I didn't have this strong a reaction to any other type (except INTp who were just... eww. So disheveled. Kinda scary at that). I wonder what that means. They annoyed me so much. They all looked like they were desperately calling for my attention and/or sympathy, like they needed me to see them and only them. I saw so much faking in them it disturbed me. This could be related to the fact that I saw my old boyfriend in their expressions. Or this could be that I'm in strong denial about myself, if I'm indeed one of them . But I'm pretty convinced that I do and I like myself a lot and I'm pretty aware of the way that I am, so there's that.

    After watching these videos, I can't see IEI for me, I'm definitely not that nice and flowy like they are."
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    So I've finished the test, and here are my results :
    1-EII
    2-EIE
    3-IEE
    4-SLE
    5-ILE
    6-SEE
    7-IEI
    8-LIE
    9-LSE
    10-ESE
    11-SEI
    12-LSI
    13-SLI
    14-ESI
    15-LII
    16-ILI

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    @Hamouchou

    you prefer FN types as 3/4 of them are in top - 3 first places. this may point on your TS
    the only missing FN is IEI what can be explained that it's superego for SLI - the worst IR. while conflictors on a distance can be perceived positively. as to have superego in top is low possibly, then the situation points on SLI as most possible among TS

    6/8 of your up half are E types and all bottom 4 are I types. So you prefer E types, what points on your introvertion.
    Also most of up half are F (5/8) and N (6/8) types, what with 3 FN at top points on good possibility of TS. Most at up half are P types (5/8), what points on some more for your P.

    SLI's semidual got 5th place - the closest place to top. on 6th place is SLI's mirrage - the type on border between good and neutral IR - it supplements 2nd function. Against LSE besides EIE at top is their semidual at bottom. SLE's semidual is at bottom too.
    The strangest is SLE at top. Mb you had important SLE woman.

    By IR test the most possible types are SLI and lesser for LSI.
    The supposed by VI and by your communication was SLI with assurance by me. The test shows good and main possibility for SLI, some more than for LSI as 2nd variant to think about.

    IR test has worked relatively good on you.
    You need to choose between delta and beta quadras - which values and types are closer, more yours. Your type is SLI, but you need to study and to watch on practice the typology more to understand it.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @Hamouchou
    By IR test the most possible types are SLI and lesser for LSI.
    The supposed by VI and by your communication was SLI with assurance by me. The test shows good and main possibility for SLI, some more than for LSI as 2nd variant to think about.

    IR test has worked relatively good on you.
    You need to choose between delta and beta quadras - which values and types are closer, more yours. Your type is SLI, but you need to study and to watch on practice the typology more to understand it.
    Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it.

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    I like Dimitry Novoselov- doesn’t show too much emotions and is very informative and serious
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    The LSI group speak too slowly too involved and I don’t have patience for them. Just get tothe point
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamouchou View Post
    Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it.
    "TIM SLI"
    try to type people near you to check IR effects with them to be sure. novices sometimes change opinions about own type later. only when you'll see regularly and IRL that IR effects fit to the theory - then you'll have strong basis to trust to concrete your type. also you'll can trust in your typing skills in this case and hence to use the typology in your life

    some % of mistakes will stay, so even when you are sure in someone's type - it's better to watch him for several monthes. if assured opinion stays - then you may make decisions based on the typology.
    it's especially important with typing women for pairs, where emotions make harder to think reasonably. also nontypes factors are important too and needs a time to understand a human better, including when it has good IR for pairs as duality/semiduality/activation. we all understand this, but it needs efforts to follow this and it's useful to remind about this
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    The LSI group speak too slowly too involved and I don’t have patience for them
    extraverts talk faster but more you'd need more patience to hear their opinions
    it's calm introverts who will hear you with more interest. while extraverts have own to say and it's harder for them to be patient to do not interupt an opponent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    extraverts talk faster but more you'd need more patience to hear their opinions
    it's calm introverts who will hear you with more interest. while extraverts have own to say and it's harder for them to be patient to do not interupt an opponent
    Isthat why I prefer the extrovert?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    @Sol
    Why do you have the key here at all. Curious people are always going to check the key. You just put the temptation there by posting it. When I took tests in school I was not given the answers along with it. I found out the answers after I finished the test.

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    @Sol, don't remove the key!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Isthat why I prefer the extrovert?
    He is saying you are the extrovert and that is why you don't have the patience. :/

    it's calm introverts who will hear you with more interest. while extraverts have own to say and it's harder for them to be patient to do not interupt an opponent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @Sol, don't remove the key!
    Why? He can send it to those who have taken his test.

    I know he won't remove the key anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Sol, don't remove the key!
    I may change the key periodically with list's updates. But not to remove.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Isthat why I prefer the extrovert?
    Quiet people which more hear you, than flood by own speaking what you are harder to hold, - is more about introverts which hence fit to your preferences more.

    If you'd did IR test comletely and without knowing the types there - then it would be rather more significant to describe your preferences.

    Nontypes factors may reduce and distort IR effects in your consciousness.
    You knew the key, about LSI there and also you wish to think yourself EII - so you were predisposed to accent on negative.
    You need to evaluate impressions not directly but to _compare_ 2 groups: E vs I types, - to decide which group is _more_ comfortable for you. Also it's better to do IRL.
    Not by 1-2 humans of a single type by 1-2 clips per every.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Curious people are always going to check the key.
    People which want to do the test correctly will have no problems to do not open the key before it should to be.
    The interests of minority of alike 20% which may have no enough of selfcontrol are lesser important than to leave the possibility to use the test without my assistance. Also, that minority is not expected to have the patience to do the test correctly (takes ~8 hours) - as it needs even more of selfcontrol.

    > You just put the temptation there by posting it.

    the ones following temptations live by instincts, not by thinking about better ways. to use the typology is for more responsible ones

    > When I took tests in school I was not given the answers along with it. I found out the answers after I finished the test.

    Making school tests better than your real skills you did not thought as a problem for you. In other case there should not be a significant problem to do not look at answers page. Also the test is assumed for adults, but not kids with undeveloped psyche to follow the reason.
    In Herbert's "Dune" there is an episode (if I remember it correctly) of a torture by an illusionary pain - proof after achieving mature age. If an aristocrat has good selfcontrol and does not remove the hand - he deserves to live. In other case he should die, being not responsible enough to have the power. Knowledge is the power.
    Last edited by Sol; 03-08-2019 at 05:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post

    Making school tests better than your real skills you did not thought as a problem for you. In other case there should not be a significant problem to do not look at answers page. Also the test is assumed for adults, but not kids with undeveloped psyche to follow the reason.
    In Herbert's "Dune" there is an episode (if I remember it correctly) of a torture by an illusionary pain - proof after achieving mature age. If an aristocrat has good selfcontrol and does not remove the hand - he deserves to live. In other case he should die, being not responsible enough to have the power. Knowledge is the power.

    “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


    I know Dune.

    Edit: Adults cheat too. It is naive to think they don't. It is not always about self control. It is about curiosity sometimes. The reason more people do not take your test is because it takes a lot of time. Then again by socionics standards that is your polr so there you have it... It is devaluing other people's time to ask them to take a test, you estimate to take 8 hours, when they have other things to do as well. People have school, careers and families to deal with too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    He is saying you are the extrovert and that is why you don't have the patience. :/
    Oh? He knows how calm and patient I am because he’s met me in real life?

    He’s insecure and he’s afraid that he’s made the biggest mistake in his life lol so he’ll keep twisting things to come out on top
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    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    I may change the key periodically with list's updates. But not to remove.



    Quiet people which more hear you, than flood by own speaking what you are harder to hold, - is more about introverts which hence fit to your preferences more.

    If you'd did IR test comletely and without knowing the types there - then it would be rather more significant to describe your preferences.

    Nontypes factors may reduce and distort IR effects in your consciousness.
    You knew the key, about LSI there and also you wish to think yourself EII - so you were predisposed to accent on negative.
    You need to evaluate impressions not directly but to _compare_ 2 groups: E vs I types, - to decide which group is _more_ comfortable for you. Also it's better to do IRL.
    Not by 1-2 humans of a single type by 1-2 clips per every.



    People which want to do the test correctly will have no problems to do not open the key before it should to be.
    The interests of minority of alike 20% which may have no enough of selfcontrol are lesser important than to leave the possibility to use the test without my assistance. Also, that minority is not expected to have the patience to do the test correctly (takes ~8 hours) - as it needs even more of selfcontrol.

    > You just put the temptation there by posting it.

    the ones following temptations live by instincts, not by thinking about better ways. to use the typology is for more responsible ones

    > When I took tests in school I was not given the answers along with it. I found out the answers after I finished the test.

    Making school tests better than your real skills you did not thought as a problem for you. In other case there should not be a significant problem to do not look at answers page. Also the test is assumed for adults, but not kids with undeveloped psyche to follow the reason.
    In Herbert's "Dune" there is an episode (if I remember it correctly) of a torture by an illusionary pain - proof after achieving mature age. If an aristocrat has good selfcontrol and does not remove the hand - he deserves to live. In other case he should die, being not responsible enough to have the power. Knowledge is the power.
    Lol I just noticed the key. You are something else because you are blind. Then why didn’t you make a test without a key if you didn’t want people to know the results also Dimitry VIs like my husband. And, never mind that someone who met me real life said “she’s a Socionics master” and that’s exactly what I am. I don’t need your approval and your test is so bad
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    The reason more people do not take your test is because it takes a lot of time.
    1) the test (in now format) is a secondary method which is useful to show which types are more possible, but not to show clearly the concrete type. and not many ones gave me videointerviews for primary typing method, the results of which secondary method may support or to oppose against, 2) people are skeptical to the test's efficiency compared to the needed efforts; in case there was better objective basis to trust - they'd did it more.

    Sooner or later there will be objective basis. What I do now - show on practice that IR work and try to develop how to use them for typing and mb to prove duality hypothesis.
    It may take up to 20 years to make normal IR test instead of the pack of random youtube bloggers lol the sorting of which is analysed without formalized system still. Besides better videos, it needs to develop a calculation method - so the types sorting gave a number to possibility of every type to be correct. It's all rather raw. People understand this. What they do not understand - that even this raw test is better than anything else for IR analysis. It took me 15 years of regular typing to get the typing skills enough to create this list. The only alternative is to study the typing themselves and to type people near IRL - this takes monthes, but not 8 hours what they think as "a lot". Many people even still think it's ok to post a questionnaire to be correctly typed lol - sure they'll be typed by noobs and being novices can be impressed by the arguments to accept the bs they get. To understand the use of something it needs some knowledge, while the ones who asks abour own types mostly have no it. And there is nothing objective to change their own perception. They see just another dude on forums which does alike anyone else here - posts own speculations. Someones (mb 50%) did the test badly as did not follow to recommendations - how those cases can be distinguished from normal testing? Here is a mix of relatively good and so so results, - leads to not good general impression. While the reasons behind this are unknown - mb it's not good test, this reduces the wish to do it for many ones.

    > It is devaluing other people's time to ask them to take a test

    to study the typing and to type people by yourself for IR checking will take much longer. the current recommendations is the only and still partial alternative. try to offer better way, having strong N and kind of lesser devaluing of peoples time if you do not know better ways, then there is no basis to claim about the devaluing

    the example of SLI above I suppose was glad to spend some hours to get a proof of his SLI. he still needs to do own research and own typing, but at now has alike 80-90% chance his type is SLI. while some dudes here try to understand own types for years without IR or with lame own typing

    > you estimate to take 8 hours

    8 seconds would be much too, as there can be other things to do during them

    When you'll know about better IR checking alternative - then I'll hear with an interest your words about time devaluing.
    I myself checked own type by IR with IRL people for several monthes to be sure in it. To check by the existing videos in Internet there is no sooner way with acceptable accuracy - I tried to use a single clip per a human - that gave significantly lower typing matches in my experiment on socioforum, only 2 clips have given the average matche comparable with IRL interview in SRT-99. You need at least 2 examples per a type to generalize the impressions and such to be able to remove nontypes factors. As are used bloggers but not special typing videointerviews - I've added 3rd example. Mb you may watch a clip for lesser time in case you are N type, but S types need to watch longer to understand correctly the impressions - those 3-4 minutes are based on my own experience of me being S type. All my recommendations are not taken from nowhere - they are practical minimum.
    The monthes is the time for alternative approach on comparable IR checking. But 8 hours is so much compared to monthes and years. People may do incompetent flood, to discuss heresies or random stuff on the forum with other noobs for several hours per a week - this deserves more of their time, sure. Flood's time is holly time. Aylen's time police watches and protects you. Oh that IR test - 8 hours of unholy IR checking, unholly by Ne devaluing IEIs standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamouchou View Post
    So I've finished the test, and here are my results :
    1-EII
    2-EIE
    3-IEE
    4-SLE
    5-ILE
    6-SEE
    7-IEI
    8-LIE
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    10-ESE
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    13-SLI
    14-ESI
    15-LII
    16-ILI
    According to this shouldn’t you be LSE?
    @Sol imagine that... an introvert liking an introvert. He must have no patience for his IEE dual according to your logic which you just applied on me because you are denial.

    H- you are SLI. I suggest that you join an mbti group on IEE and there meet a dual. Tell them I told you that you would make a great match with them
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    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    According to this shouldn’t you be LSE?
    I do think that I relate more to Fi dual seeking rather than Ne. My interactions with ESI and EIIs have been very refreshing and "humanizing", but I think that my general attraction to extraverts is a stronger indicator than one position, wouldn't you say so ?

    EDIT : Lol, nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    1) the test (in now format) is a secondary method which is useful to show which types are more possible, but not to show clearly the concrete type. and not many ones gave me videointerviews for primary typing method, the results of which secondary method may support or to oppose against, 2) people are skeptical to the test's efficiency compared to the needed efforts; in case there was better objective basis to trust - they'd did it more.

    Sooner or later there will be objective basis. What I do now - show on practice that IR work and try to develop how to use them for typing and mb to prove duality hypothesis.
    It may take up to 20 years to make normal IR test instead of the pack of random youtube bloggers lol the sorting of which is analysed without formalized system still. Besides better videos, it needs to develop a calculation method - so the types sorting gave a number to possibility of every type to be correct. It's all rather raw. People understand this. What they do not understand - that even this raw test is better than anything else for IR analysis. It took me 15 years of regular typing to get the typing skills enough to create this list. The only alternative is to study the typing themselves and to type people near IRL - this takes monthes, but not 8 hours what they think as "a lot". Many people even still think it's ok to post a questionnaire to be correctly typed lol - sure they'll be typed by noobs and being novices can be impressed by the arguments to accept the bs they get. To understand the use of something it needs some knowledge, while the ones who asks abour own types mostly have no it. And there is nothing objective to change their own perception. They see just another dude on forums which does alike anyone else here - posts own speculations. Someones (mb 50%) did the test badly as did not follow to recommendations - how those cases can be distinguished from normal testing? Here is a mix of relatively good and so so results, - leads to not good general impression. While the reasons behind this are unknown - mb it's not good test, this reduces the wish to do it for many ones.

    > It is devaluing other people's time to ask them to take a test

    to study the typing and to type people by yourself for IR checking will take much longer. the current recommendations is the only and still partial alternative. try to offer better way, having strong N and kind of lesser devaluing of peoples time if you do not know better ways, then there is no basis to claim about the devaluing

    the example of SLI above I suppose was glad to spend some hours to get a proof of his SLI. he still needs to do own research and own typing, but at now has alike 80-90% chance his type is SLI. while some dudes here try to understand own types for years without IR or with lame own typing

    > you estimate to take 8 hours

    8 seconds would be much too, as there can be other things to do during them

    When you'll know about better IR checking alternative - then I'll hear with an interest your words about time devaluing.
    I myself checked own type by IR with IRL people for several monthes to be sure in it. To check by the existing videos in Internet there is no sooner way with acceptable accuracy - I tried to use a single clip per a human - that gave significantly lower typing matches in my experiment on socioforum, only 2 clips have given the average matche comparable with IRL interview in SRT-99. You need at least 2 examples per a type to generalize the impressions and such to be able to remove nontypes factors. As are used bloggers but not special typing videointerviews - I've added 3rd example. Mb you may watch a clip for lesser time in case you are N type, but S types need to watch longer to understand correctly the impressions - those 3-4 minutes are based on my own experience of me being S type. All my recommendations are not taken from nowhere - they are practical minimum.
    The monthes is the time for alternative approach on comparable IR checking. But 8 hours is so much compared to monthes and years. People may do incompetent flood, to discuss heresies or random stuff on the forum with other noobs for several hours per a week - this deserves more of their time, sure. Flood's time is holly time. Aylen's time police watches and protects you. Oh that IR test - 8 hours of unholy IR checking, unholly by Ne devaluing IEIs standards.


    You callin' me a time cop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    You callin' me a time cop?
    You two are entertaining as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamouchou View Post
    My interactions with ESI and EIIs have been very refreshing and "humanizing"
    Here are 2 ESI on this forum: @aster and mb @Luminous Lynx.
    Types of people could be other than you suppose and those interactions be too limited to notice IR effects as expected.
    ESIs from the list you've placed to bottom (what is expected for SLI having them as subrevisie), while EIE - LSE's superegos to top. This excludes LSE for you. Besides other factors which point on SLI as more possible.

    Also, LSE do not change types is profiles so easily. We are reasonable and so do mistakes only after good thinking.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Also, LSE do not change types is profiles so easily. We are reasonable and so do mistakes only after good thinking.
    u wot m8? Are you saying that I'm a reckless irrational type ?

    That's an interesting point, actually. I do change my opinions quite often, which I assume is a big indicator of being an irrational type. Would you say so ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    You callin' me a time cop?
    Oh.. I imagined you alike

    damn Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamouchou View Post
    I do change my opinions quite often, which I assume is a big indicator of being an irrational type. Would you say so ?
    Base T types to decide or to make a claim prefer a good basis - the most reasonable types. So they change opinions not easily, especially public claims.

    I saw a dude which changed types in own profile several times during ~3 monthes. He was on the forum for several years. Seems depending on the types of girls (in their profiles) with which ones he flirted on the forum in that moment. The initial type which he claimed himself was SEE. Then his profile had SLE, LSI and the last what I saw was LSE when he flooded with ESI which claimed herself as EII. I saw he uses more flowery language than T types, far from my own style and strange situation with his type - noticed him, and he has reacted with strange anger as seems I opposed to his game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Here are 2 ESI on this forum: @aster and mb @Luminous Lynx.
    Types of people could be other than you suppose and those interactions be too limited to notice IR effects as expected.
    ESIs from the list you've placed to bottom (what is expected for SLI having them as subrevisie), while EIE - LSE's superegos to top. This excludes LSE for you. Besides other factors which point on SLI as more possible.

    Also, LSE do not change types is profiles so easily. We are reasonable and so do mistakes only after good thinking.
    It should be noted that neither of these people have publicly accepted what you type them. I suppose since you mentioned them, they can express agreement if they wish to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Oh.. I imagined you alike

    damn Internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    It should be noted that neither of these people have publicly accepted what you type them.
    If those were not noobs with unstable opinions. And there was no objectively bad typing skills even at experienced in typing (mb <10% of active in Socionics), what is seen in real typing matches <50%.
    Then what those think about own types would be important.

    also
    aster claimed it as EII (what is close), kept doubts during this and seems the same stays.
    Lynx (seems) claimed it as ESI, until recently has changed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamouchou View Post
    I do think that I relate more to Fi dual seeking rather than Ne. My interactions with ESI and EIIs have been very refreshing and "humanizing", but I think that my general attraction to extraverts is a stronger indicator than one position, wouldn't you say so ?

    EDIT : Lol, nevermind.
    Esi and EII are just soft and supportive and forgiving to a great extent that makes for easy going interaction ms with ISTP also EII like trying new things so activate SLI
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    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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