Results 1 to 5 of 5

Thread: A guide to get into the Socion

  1. #1
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    1,305
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default A guide to get into the Socion

    Many newbies might find it hard to get started with the Socionics at first so I am here to sum it up a bit to get to the juicy stuff. So there is Thinking, Feeling, Sensing and intuition. In Socionics there is Efficiency and Logic which are the two Thinking elements, Expression and Relation which are the two Feeling elements, Sensing and Force which are the two Sensing elements and Intuition and Time which are the two Intuition elements. What really differ the two from each element is that one is applied internally and one is the objective thing, for example Sensation is what the person receive with their senses which can only be experienced by the individual person and force is that which is happening in the sensing world.


    Thinking and Feeling elements are making Judgements so there some classification going on within these, Sensing and Intuition is Perception and are dealing with what is there or not.


    Each of these elements have an additional dimension to them which is spin. There are 16 variation in total of elements with spin, all the 8 elements and a positive or negative spin on each. If a person lead with a positive spin of Sensation than this person will avoid all negative sensations, smells etc, and only to highest degree focus on the positive ones, scents. If negative spin however than the person will have less of a good/bad relation to sensations and find that he or she can thrive on the negative side of this element.


    Visual Identification of type is heavily based in pattern recognition. Until you have observed enough to have pattern recognition of time, sensing or other element of perception, you can not rely on VI. In terms of time it can be that a person wears a specific type of clock, share interest and other factors that is based in the time we are living match up with two other persons you know or so. Than you can start making connections between them and may and may not link it to type. Other factors or sensation would be how the person is moving or what flavour they enjoy. In pattern recognition really there is no need for initial logic to match up and the patterns can seem to be out of place and not relevant. To some degree most, if not all, people do not have brains to understand everything there is about people and their motivations.


    Model A is the ruling model where you put these elements. Each type got 8 functions and each function got a description. It rely on the fact that each individual have use of all the 8 functions. There is one which are described as ignoring and that is since the leading function take all the glory. There is the hierarchy of dimension in the elements. 4D Is the benchmark of excellence.


    Areas to lookup: Quadras, Clock of Socion, Model A.

  2. #2
    Enlightened Hedonist Subteigh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    17,429
    Mentioned
    367 Post(s)
    Tagged
    4 Thread(s)

    Default

    I like to think of the IMs in pairs of IJs, EPs, EJs, and IPs. I find it easier to define the similarities and differences that way. I personally think that mention of VI should be avoided as far as possible - I do not consider it an essential part of the theory (I actually consider it an appendage of highly questionable validity). Model A is probably best defined both in terms of the Ego block (i.e. the ordering of the first two functions), and via the concept of duality. The prominence of quadras in my view is problematic - it potentially crystallizes a form of tribalism.

  3. #3
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    1,305
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    At this point, you should have a vague understanding of all the elements and also that there is a model where to put those in. At this point you are ready for the 16 types and basic nomenclature.


    ILE, SEI, ESE, LII, EIE, LSI, SLE, IEI, SEE, ILI, LIE, ESI, LSE, EII, IEE, SLI.


    These are the types. I stand for intuition, L stand for logic, S stand for Sensing and E stand for Ethic. A good way of decrypting is that from model A, lead element and creative element make up the names. ILE equals Intuitive Logic Extrovert where I and E equal Extroverted Intuition and L becomes logic. SLI becomes Introverted Sensor with Logic. SEE becomes extroverted sensor with ethic. It come from a time where there was only 4 elements and thinking was called simply logic and feeling was called ethic.


    The first 4 types in this lineup is grouped within the Quadra Alpha, 5-8 within Quadra Beta, 9-12 Quadra Gamma and 13-16 is Quadra Delta. This is interesting because of Intertype relations, the relations between two types. Each relationship within Socionics is doomed to face some issues or good moments based on how the person is viewing the world and how the person is making judgements. Ofcourse with good will and personal sacrifices anything goes.


    Socionics is actually based on that there is one superior relationship and it is called Duality. In the order of types above they are grouped two and two of duals. 1-2 are duals, 3-4 are duals all the way to 15-16 which are duals. ILE which are extroverted intuition and logic does match up with the person who is introverted sensor with ethic. It is the yin and yang. However you should know that while the person is strong where you are weak and vice versa, it does not make the person good willed towards you automatically and therein is the paradox of duality. It is not far from a relationship of faith.


    Areas to lookup: Model A.

  4. #4
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    1,305
    Mentioned
    31 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Next up. We should unlock Model A and make a type profile. Model A is the first model made and are still the most used today. There is also a Model B and a Model G, in theory you can make your own model. Model A have 8 slots each with a specific purpose of use and a Dimension. The Dimension in Model A are 4D, 3D, 2D and 1D where 4D is the most advanced and 1D is childsplay. The 8 slots are Lead, Creative, Demonstrative, Ignoring, Mobilizing, Suggestive, Role and Vulnerable. The lead and ignoring are the same coin but opposite sides, Demonstrative and Creative are the same coin, Mobilizing and Vulnerable is the same coin and Suggestive and Role are the same coin. In this example we pick out ILE and by same coin it means the two sides of one element, thinking for example. Logic (the introverted part) and Efficiency (the extroverted part). Logic goes in Creative and Efficiency goes in Demonstrative. This means that at times when the ILE need to stand out and really make a case they fluently do the function of efficiency. If needed they are masters at making the most of the money for example, being efficient with the resources. The Demonstrative is a 4D element.


    ILE have the following:
    Ne+ Leading
    Ti+ Creative
    Te- Demonstrative
    Ni- Ignoring
    Fe- Mobilizing
    Si- Suggestive
    Se+ Role
    Fi+ Vulnerable


    Duals have the same spins but different order or elements in the Model A. Each Quadra belongs to two pairs of duals which have opposite spins on the elements. There is only two sets of spins which makes it 8 types with the Ne+ and 8 types with the Ne-.


    By now we have covered most of the bases. To end this guide we can state some of the obvious. Each individual possess thru life only a singular type. All types are equal but maybe not all humans are, if someone say that X type is some negative trait it can have to do with projection or that this person know small amount of people of this type and have made some assumption of the type itself. The best typologists have about 50% error in their typings. It is still progress but there is a lack of clarity. Should we analyse pieces of things they say? Should we analyse their behavior? Should we trust that they are objective in what they say? Should we trust that we as the typologist are objective? Should we try to make more complex test? These are some of the big questions for us to answer in the near future if we want Socionics to be of more importance in society and reach a larger audience. It could be teached to kindergarten children as a tool for being diplomatic, accepting that people are different and have different strengths and weaknesses, overall openness toward other people. To older people it can be used to make organisations that function smoothly, understanding relations within family, developing by binding forces.

  5. #5

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •