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    Default What's the meaning of "2" in SEE-2Se?

    So, i took the test again and this is my result:

    www.sociotype.com/tests/result/est/238907







    Before i took the test months ago: Feb 2017
    It's 1Se?!


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    Well, no kidding.

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    I think 2Se refers to the strength of your Se. For example, an SEE-2Se has a stronger preference for Se as compared to SEE-1Se.

    Lol I got IEI-2Ni in this test. I guess I'm the Ni subtype of IEI.

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    Is this some sort of dimensions?

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...y-of-Functions

    Correct me if I'm wrong..

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    This should be helpful. I found it on the same website where you took the test.

    SEE-2Se is quite a strong subtype (Inert subtype). It strengthens your Se, Ti, Te and Si (Delta ST subtype), therefore making you a little more similar to a Delta ST (SLI, LSE). If you want to interpret the score in two subtype theory, then it means that your Se and Fi are not balanced just like any SEE-0, but you put more weight on Se than on Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermit Soul View Post
    I think 2Se refers to the strength of your Se. For example, an SEE-2Se has a stronger preference for Se as compared to SEE-1Se.

    Lol I got IEI-2Ni in this test. I guess I'm the Ni subtype of IEI.
    Yeah i guess so. So it's like i acquire Se via experience and norms that made it two dimensional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...d_and_Ovcharov

    You've strengthen your inert and weaken your contact.
    Hmm. Isn't that the dimensions of socionics? Anyways nice source. Socionics is very very fucking deep i need to be on my nerd mode to comprehend this nerdy stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    It can be, you might be right. But I don't think the author of the test were made it according to dimensionality.
    But it shows how dimensions are created like for two dimensional = Se acquired via experience + norms

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    This should be helpful. I found it on the same website where you took the test.

    SEE-2Se is quite a strong subtype (Inert subtype). It strengthens your Se, Ti, Te and Si (Delta ST subtype), therefore making you a little more similar to a Delta ST (SLI, LSE). If you want to interpret the score in two subtype theory, then it means that your Se and Fi are not balanced just like any SEE-0, but you put more weight on Se than on Fi.
    Oh i see. I thought it's dimensions.

    Geez my brain is bleeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    Oh i see. I thought it's dimensions.

    Geez my brain is bleeding.
    Basically, the number (1, 2 or 3) strengthens either your Leading (Se) or your Creative (Fi). So, a SEE-2Se will always have 4D Se, but since it's strengthened, it can be considered as 4.5D. At the same time, your Creative must be weakened. From the normal 3D, we can consider it as 2.5D. The important thing is that the couple is balanced. In this case, the sum of the dimensions of each IE must be 7 (in fact, 4+3 and 4.5+2.5). Medusa wrote a brilliant article about this topic, you can find it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    Basically, the number (1, 2 or 3) strengthens either your Leading (Se) or your Creative (Fi). So, a SEE-2Se will always have 4D Se, but since it's strengthened, it can be considered as 4.5D. At the same time, your Creative must be weakened. From the normal 3D, we can consider it as 2.5D. The important thing is that the couple is balanced. In this case, the sum of the dimensions of each IE must be 7 (in fact, 4+3 and 4.5+2.5). Medusa wrote a brilliant article about this topic, you can find it here.
    I didn't understand.

    It's like i see bra sizes like cup 32D, 34D..

    Can you provide one simple example? Because my brain cannot comprehend. It's like I'm not yet familiar with it actually, so i cannot understand why is there decimal numbers on D? What's D? Dimension? What's IE? Internet Explorer?

    Lots of jargons i didn't understand..

    And what's with numbers 1-5 under each sociotypes? :/

    Or maybe you can explain my SEE 2-Se?

    Let's practice your Se. explain in a user-friendly way. thanksss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    I didn't understand.

    It's like i see bra sizes like cup 32D, 34D..

    Can you provide one simple example? Because my brain cannot comprehend. It's like I'm not yet familiar with it actually, so i cannot understand why is there decimal numbers on D? What's D? Dimension? What's IE? Internet Explorer?

    Lots of jargons i didn't understand..

    And what's with numbers 1-5 under each sociotypes? :/

    Or maybe you can explain my SEE 2-Se?

    Let's practice your Se. explain in a user-friendly way. thanksss.
    in socionics your information elements or cognitive functions are either weak, strong or in the middle.
    we use a scale of 1-4. We call it dimensionality.
    4 is when the function is strongest, 1 is when the function is weakest.
    so in your case, as SEE, your Se is 4dimensional (your leading function, strongest), your Fi is 3dimensional (creative function, still strong but weaker than your main), your Ne is 2dimensional (weak, but not that weak) and your Ti is your weakest function, or polr (point of least resistance). it is therefore 1 dimensional, according to the theory.

    the numbers saying you are See 2-Se just means you are using your Se a lot more often than your Fi, so you put an emphasis on it. So you are SEE-Se subtype. if it were SEE 2Fi you would be SEE-Fi subtype. This also goes from a scale of 1-3. So SEE-1Se is a ''weak'' SEE-Se subtype, while SEE-3Se subtype is a very strong SEE-Se subtype, meaning that SEE-3Se uses her Se even more than the SEE-Se 1 and 2. So it's like this:

    SEE-Se3
    SEE-Se2
    SEE-Se1
    SEE-Fi1
    SEE-Fi2
    SEE-Fi3
    These are the ''subtypes among subtypes'' in the SEE category.

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    D stands for Dimensionality of a function.
    Dimensionality of a function is the number of qualitative information processing parameters (Time, Situation, Norms and Experience) in the framework of which a function of model A is capable of processing information. Each function has two characteristics: the amount of accumulated experience and its ability to process information, which is also known as the "strength" of the function.
    In other words, we can say that D tells how strong is an Information Element (IE, for example Se, Fi, Ne, Ti and any other one) in a certain function or position (Leading, Creative, Role, Vulnerable and any other one).

    SEE has 4D Se. This means that his/her Se is capable of using four parameters (Time, Situation, Norms, and Experience).

    When you took the test though, your result was SEE-2Se. The number before Se (1, 2, 3) indicates how stronger is your Se compared to the average Se in SEE's Model A. They're like levels. 2Se has a weaker Se compared to 3Se. Since that function is strengthened and since Dimensionality is the "strength" of the function, we can say that your Se is a little bit more developed than the average SEE. That's why we put the decimal (4.5). Of course a 5th parameter of Dimensionality doesn't exist, but it's easier for us to use that decimal.

    In the end: SEE-2Se is a particular subtype of SEE where Se is strengthened of 2 "levels".

    I hope you can understand. This is what I meant when I said that you're a Ti PoLR type: it's more difficult for you to understand these theoretical concepts. It's like a Ti train is hitting you. Same things for me with Se.
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    @Number 9 large: It's impressive to see how our explanations differ.

    You made it more to the point, not caring too much about its logical perfection (distinction between "Function" and "Information Element"), while I put more effort on details instead of ignoring them.

    This clearly shows Te (you) vs Ti (me), ILI (you) vs LII (me). In this case, since the explanation is for a SEE, I think that yours is way more appropriate than mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    @Number 9 large: It's impressive to see how our explanations differ.

    You made it more to the point, not caring too much about its logical perfection (distinction between "Function" and "Information Element"), while I put more effort on details instead of ignoring them.

    This clearly shows Te (you) vs Ti (me), ILI (you) vs LII (me). In this case, since the explanation is for a SEE, I think that yours is way more appropriate than mine.
    When explaining something its best to omit details, cuz they only distract from the main point youre making

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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    Is this some sort of dimensions?

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...y-of-Functions

    Correct me if I'm wrong..
    It means you are living in the 2nd dimension...you are a cartoon, chickie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    in socionics your information elements or cognitive functions are either weak, strong or in the middle.
    we use a scale of 1-4. We call it dimensionality.
    4 is when the function is strongest, 1 is when the function is weakest.
    so in your case, as SEE, your Se is 4dimensional (your leading function, strongest), your Fi is 3dimensional (creative function, still strong but weaker than your main), your Ne is 2dimensional (weak, but not that weak) and your Ti is your weakest function, or polr (point of least resistance). it is therefore 1 dimensional, according to the theory.

    the numbers saying you are See 2-Se just means you are using your Se a lot more often than your Fi, so you put an emphasis on it. So you are SEE-Se subtype. if it were SEE 2Fi you would be SEE-Fi subtype. This also goes from a scale of 1-3. So SEE-1Se is a ''weak'' SEE-Se subtype, while SEE-3Se subtype is a very strong SEE-Se subtype, meaning that SEE-3Se uses her Se even more than the SEE-Se 1 and 2. So it's like this:

    SEE-Se3
    SEE-Se2
    SEE-Se1
    SEE-Fi1
    SEE-Fi2
    SEE-Fi3
    These are the ''subtypes among subtypes'' in the SEE category.
    Thanks for explaining it to me very easily!

    But i just wonder, like I've seen a flaw in validity of my See-ness.
    Because i think i have a strong Ne. :/
    Right? I have strong Ne, i think. That's why I'm confused if I'm really an see or an iee..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    Finally, your dual comes and helped you.

    Number 9 large, don't forget that there's SEE-0 too (SEE without subtype)

    Awww he's my dual? Ohhhh.. My Knight in shining armorrr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    D stands for Dimensionality of a function.

    In other words, we can say that D tells how strong is an Information Element (IE, for example Se, Fi, Ne, Ti and any other one) in a certain function or position (Leading, Creative, Role, Vulnerable and any other one).

    SEE has 4D Se. This means that his/her Se is capable of using four parameters (Time, Situation, Norms, and Experience).

    When you took the test though, your result was SEE-2Se. The number before Se (1, 2, 3) indicates how stronger is your Se compared to the average Se in SEE's Model A. They're like levels. 2Se has a weaker Se compared to 3Se. Since that function is strengthened and since Dimensionality is the "strength" of the function, we can say that your Se is a little bit more developed than the average SEE. That's why we put the decimal (4.5). Of course a 5th parameter of Dimensionality doesn't exist, but it's easier for us to use that decimal.

    In the end: SEE-2Se is a particular subtype of SEE where Se is strengthened of 2 "levels".

    I hope you can understand. This is what I meant when I said that you're a Ti PoLR type: it's more difficult for you to understand these theoretical concepts. It's like a Ti train is hitting you. Same things for me with Se.
    Yes lol xD i understand it now.. Thats probably why i cannot really understand my Ti dom friend, i actually wanna understand him but my head usually aches lol xD
    Then whenever I'm being myself like I'm using my Se for being crazy it's like he cannot absorb it very well, that's why i have to adjust myself and lower my energy and just switched to Ne. That's probably why i have exercised my Ne because of him..
    Whenever when I'm on my Ne mode, like ideas conversation, we really get along very well.

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    Aww nice one! Thanks. Btw who's the owner of this site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    Aww nice one! Thanks. Btw who's the owner of this site?
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin....php/1066-RSV3


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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    @Number 9 large: It's impressive to see how our explanations differ.

    You made it more to the point, not caring too much about its logical perfection (distinction between "Function" and "Information Element"), while I put more effort on details instead of ignoring them.

    This clearly shows Te (you) vs Ti (me), ILI (you) vs LII (me). In this case, since the explanation is for a SEE, I think that yours is way more appropriate than mine.
    Yes. It's really awesome to see your differences. Te vs Ti.

    Geez these is exciting I'm really learning a lot. Like some things make sense now..

    Because there's also a Ti-dom second degree friend, and my infp friend and i we're like talking about how we cannot understand him lol xD hahahahah. Because of Ti conflict. Now i know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn View Post
    It means you are living in the 2nd dimension...you are a cartoon, chickie.
    Yayyy! I knew it. I'm really 2D

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    Cool! That's probably why i don't get infraction here.. Because he's my dual.



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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    Cool! That's probably why i don't get infraction here.. Because he's my dual.


    lol cute. He does not own this site. He owns the site you took that test on, sociotype.com. The owner of 16types.info is an ILE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    lol cute. He does not own this site. He owns the site you took that test on, sociotype.com. The owner of 16types.info is an ILE.
    I see. That's pretty cool.

    Actually I'm about to develop a porn site too. But develop only.

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