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    This has probably been discussed and solved on here before, so I am sorry if I've repeated a previous topic...but...how does one tell if they are Si or Se valuing? Objectively I can see the merits of both functions yet I know I am definitely weak in Se and better at Si. I'm more a passive person who not so much indulges, but becomes uptight easily and needs to make a conscious effort to unwind and iron out any bodily aches. I do tend to overindulge in comfort eating as a form of stress relief, and prefer harmony to conflict and battles of wills. Though I do admire those who are able to push forward and succeed their goals. I probably have Si and Se down totally wrong so I'm sorry if I'm wrong. As always, any ideas and input is welcome :3

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    do you feel the moral highground can sometimes be a call to aggressive action, or is goodness generally on the side of pacifity and non aggression. would you take an unhappy peace over open conflict? (conflict may be merely verbal confrontations, doesn't have to be outright physical violence, but it could be)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    do you feel the moral highground can sometimes be a call to aggressive action, or is goodness generally on the side of pacifity and non aggression. would you take an unhappy peace over open conflict? (conflict may be merely verbal confrontations, doesn't have to be outright physical violence, but it could be)

    I find unhappy peace very uncomfortable and painful to be around because it usually explodes into all out conflict or a ruined relationship, I hate conflict too so much but I prefer the air being cleared, oeoole being upfront with how they feel and what they stand for, so you can either seek compromise and work with them or distance completely cause of the irreconcilable values.

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    And I think goodness can both be pacifism and the call to action to defend the innocent from terrorism. So both are good depending on the situation.

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    lol this comes up a lot: yeah of course you want to resolve both situations!--but if you had to choose! one or the other, which would you "settle" on? in other words, if you werent sure "sorting things out" would help and could make things worse would you feel compelled to "try your best" or would you feel compelled to "not make things worse".. obviously neither is ideal, but sometimes the only options life presents us with are between bad and worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    lol this comes up a lot: yeah of course you want to resolve both situations!--but if you had to choose! one or the other, which would you "settle" on? in other words, if you werent sure "sorting things out" would help and could make things worse would you feel compelled to "try your best" or would you feel compelled to "not make things worse".. obviously neither is ideal, but sometimes the only options life presents us with are between bad and worse
    Pfft I'm the queen of wishy washy answers

    ok in my current situation at work (lots of understaffing and back biting office politics) which is not really a dire situation as such but it's all I have to refer to really. Anyways my mantra is 'get your head down and keep working, there's better things coming, this will pass, look after you and ignore the background bullshit'. Which I suppose is along the lines of 'don't make things worse!!'

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    Like, I'm not confronting the situation as such. I will try to maintain civil and helpful relationships with everyone and hope that they'll 'come to their senses'. Which I suppose sounds ultra passive. I have mentioned in team meetings that I believe if we all knuckle down and work together and try our best, that working circumstances can get better..but I have yet to speak up and accuse or challenge specific memebers of the team who are adding to the toxic nature and causing the disharmony

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    its okay to be ultra passive

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    @Bertrand I'm guessing from my own reasoning that I'm not Se valuing xD hehe the truth comes out

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    yeah probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    yeah probably
    I think part of it is I don't want to devalue any function cause it'd offend the people who are good at and value them *facepalm*

    but within myself I know I am far more Si-y than Se-y, so I suppose that means I do 'value' Si over Se though I'm hesitant to say for certain where my alligances lie

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    Lol as if I think if I conclude I'm Si valuing and that Se isn't me or what I see as good, that all the Se egos will manifest in my living room and torture pummel the living daylights out of me *hides*

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    its ok just because you're not Se doesn't mean you're somehow denigrating all Se users everywhere by not preferring it

    that's actually really funny, lol but theres also 3 more functions you're also leaving out in the cold people can get mad about

    uh not to stress you out or anything

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    I know 0-o the pressure is too much! *implodes* typology problems

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    I know 0-o the pressure is too much! *implodes* typology problems. How to be authentic yet not offend anyone

    'um I'm sorry but I'm not a Se ego or valuer. Please don't kill me...'


    Se quadra member: *kill mode activated* don't worry, we'll make sure you live long enough to regret your Se devaluing ways

    i know this is a highly unlikely scenario yet it's all I keep thinking of 0_o

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    that's actually a kind of scary accurate representation of Se revenge fantasy

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    Si valuing if ur boring/lame/weird, Se valuing if ur an asshole/criminal/scumbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Si valuing if ur boring/lame/weird, Se valuing if ur an asshole/criminal/scumbag.
    What if you're a boring asshole, a lame scumbag and a weird criminal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    What if you're a boring asshole, a lame scumbag and a weird criminal?
    Then u fail at life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Then u fail at life.
    Oh dear.

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    how about details, which IE it relates to? All kinds of details. Like details of surroundings (some people easily get lost), pay attention to details of work, pay attention to people's facial expression, pay attention to word choice, observation, details of logic, details of ethics? Si or Se?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gargamel View Post
    how about details, which IE it relates to? All kinds of details. Like details of surroundings (some people easily get lost), pay attention to details of work, pay attention to people's facial expression, pay attention to word choice, observation, details of logic, details of ethics? Si or Se?
    A number of IEs cover those details you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    A number of IEs cover those details you mentioned.
    Maybe. But all the phenomenon should be deconstructed to the smallest aspects, so that each one of them can be related to exactly one IE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gargamel View Post
    Maybe. But all the phenomenon should be deconstructed to the smallest aspects, so that each one of them can be related to exactly one IE.
    Sure give it a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gargamel View Post
    how about details, which IE it relates to? All kinds of details. Like details of surroundings (some people easily get lost), pay attention to details of work, pay attention to people's facial expression, pay attention to word choice, observation, details of logic, details of ethics? Si or Se?
    Each IE (each one best interpreted as a system for processing some types of information) will process some kinds of details dealing with different types of details. Some of them aren't typically called "details" in everyday language, I mean it from an info processing pov.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gargamel View Post
    Maybe. But all the phenomenon should be deconstructed to the smallest aspects, so that each one of them can be related to exactly one IE.
    That's gonna be a loooong project. With the current tools and understanding we have in science for investigation.

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    If you are calm, lazy and obsessed with sensorial stuff then Si.
    If you like to boss around ppl then Se.
    If you like to be bossed around and have detailed instructions then Se PoLR.
    If you are evil or stressed then Si PoLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slugabed View Post
    If you are calm, lazy and obsessed with sensorial stuff then Si.
    If you like to boss around ppl then Se.
    If you like to be bossed around and have detailed instructions then Se PoLR.
    If you are evil or stressed then Si PoLR.
    I don't enjoy being bossed around, but I guess naturally defer to others' will and wishes, and do like detailed instructions :3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn View Post
    If you are calm, lazy and obsessed with sensorial stuff then Si.
    If you like to boss around ppl then Se.
    If you like to be bossed around and have detailed instructions then Se PoLR.
    If you are evil or stressed then Si PoLR.
    do you think LIEs are stressed and evil? kinda true actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    do you think LIEs are stressed and evil? kinda true actually
    Yep. Lol

    Nah, I was joking, but stressed ppl can more easily acts in evil ways

    Did you know that stressed animals have aggressive or unhealthy behavior, like chewing theirs or others tails, ears, etc?...think about it.
    https://youtu.be/CMiBqllTdWE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn View Post
    Yep. Lol

    Nah, I was joking, but stressed ppl can more easily acts in evil ways

    Did you know that stressed animals have aggressive or unhealthy behavior, like chewing theirs or others tails, ears, etc?...think about it.

    https://youtu.be/CMiBqllTdWE
    oh come on I wouldn't bite anyone else's nails

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    oh come on I wouldn't bite anyone else's nails
    …you'd bite their souls instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn View Post
    If you are calm, lazy and obsessed with sensorial stuff then Si.
    If you like to boss around ppl then Se.
    If you like to be bossed around and have detailed instructions then Se PoLR.
    If you are evil or stressed then Si PoLR.
    what does the last one mean.. if you're evil or stressed?

    I'm a calm person on the outside but on the inside i'm very inpatient and restless..
    I do boss people around once in a while but I dont like to boss people I just like to take care of shit on my own
    I HATE being bossed around or told what to do and I like to figure things out on my own
    the last one i'm not sure what that means..

    which one am I valuing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceynyc View Post
    what does the last one mean.. if you're evil or stressed?

    I'm a calm person on the outside but on the inside i'm very inpatient and restless..
    I do boss people around once in a while but I dont like to boss people I just like to take care of shit on my own
    I HATE being bossed around or told what to do and I like to figure things out on my own
    the last one i'm not sure what that means..

    which one am I valuing?
    Se valuing, and probably an intuitive since you need me to explain what being evil or stressed means.

    You are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn View Post
    Se valuing, and probably an intuitive since you need me to explain what being evil or stressed means.

    You are welcome.
    What if you are only evil when stressed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    What if you are only evil when stressed?
    Se.

    According socionics Se=evil, so I put stressed because stressed ppl is often evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceynyc View Post
    what does the last one mean.. if you're evil or stressed?
    which one am I valuing?
    Depends... do you grow rams horns from your forehead?

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    With Si, I like being in relaxing tranquil places and finding inner calm and acceptance, yet I find that those states evade me a lot. I'm quite internally tense, and yes while I do tend to lie around watching tv or playing music, I never relax as such or 'smell the coffee beans', I feel like I should be out on an adventure or feeling much more harmonious and happy than I am. I do enjoy relaxing holidays aka around the pool, but I do get so bored too because while I have no energy and I'm recouperatig some, I feel like I need something new and profound to encounter to truly take the trip to lifetime experience from regularl lazy beach hols

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    I can see sort of cases for both Se/Ni valuing and Si/Ne valuing but of the two, I get more feedback that I'm from a Si quadra definitely so there's that

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    I think Helen Fisher's four love types, each of which is defined by the predominance of a certain hormone, basically correspond to SPs, SJs, NFs, and NTs (note the capitalized P and J--so the MBTI version, like SLI = ISTJ = ISTp). SPs/Se egos correspond to dopamine, whereas SJs/Si egos correspond to serotonin. If you read a bit about each hormone, you can get an idea of what someone acting mainly in service of each of them would act like. Dopamine-driven people would need to experience new things a lot more often in their lives to feel satisfied, I think. Adventure is a keyword for them. Everyone likes traveling, but dopamine people would be able to travel for much longer, to more new places, to meet more new people, without getting tired and needing a break. Serotonin-driven people would like some more regularity, comfort, routine, stability, reliability.

    I also think both Se and Si valuers could value or not care about good food. My LSE friend thinks gourmet food is dumb. I think the distinction is more like, an Se valuer will enjoy an extremely luxurious but fleeting experience more, whereas an Si valuer would prefer to have just something high quality (but not super primo $$$$$) in their daily lives. So an Se valuer might shell out money for a Michelin-starred restaurant, while an Si valuer might regularly buy organic produce. But, it's still just correlations and not definite... I have an LII friend who would definitely go for the Michelin-starred restaurant, and she's even sp/sx...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlutteringShyxx View Post
    This has probably been discussed and solved on here before, so I am sorry if I've repeated a previous topic...but...how does one tell if they are Si or Se valuing? Objectively I can see the merits of both functions yet I know I am definitely weak in Se and better at Si. I'm more a passive person who not so much indulges, but becomes uptight easily and needs to make a conscious effort to unwind and iron out any bodily aches. I do tend to overindulge in comfort eating as a form of stress relief, and prefer harmony to conflict and battles of wills. Though I do admire those who are able to push forward and succeed their goals. I probably have Si and Se down totally wrong so I'm sorry if I'm wrong. As always, any ideas and input is welcome :3
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