If Brian is ISTp, then I'm ISTp.
Stewie is ILI.
If Brian is ISTp, then I'm ISTp.
Stewie is ILI.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
Oh that Stewie. Yes I would say ILI>LIE. I don't know him too well though.
i've been told that in "my bitchy side" i can be like him, more specifically, when sitting on my chair @ uni bitching at my professor i look like him on his seatOriginally Posted by Kim
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
There was a thread a little over a year ago, but I figure that's long enough ago for me to make a new one.
Peter: ILE
Lois: ESE
Brian: SEI
Stewie: LIE
Meg: EIE
Chris: IEI
Quagmire: ILE
Joe: LSI
Bonnie: IEI
Cleveland: SEI
Loretta: SLE
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
i still wonder about SLI for brian. this is pretty much a completely uninformed guess as i rarely watch tv or this show.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
You know I wouldn't have thought it, but it makes so much sense, lol. That or possibly SEI for him.Originally Posted by Gilly
Lois reminds me a little of Nigela Lawson (probably ESE). Meg has gotten too maleable for me to get a handle on, really, but EIE is plausible.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
Brian uses too much Fe and is a little too...culturally literate/pretentious for an SLI, IMO. SLIs don't make very convincing snobs I would say Beta NF before anything Delta.
The biggest reason I think Chris is IEI>SEI is because the show seems to be written from an Alpha perspective and the "emo" behavior he exhibits is a pretty classic Alpha Fe take on Beta Fe. If the writers of the shows met someone like Chris IRL, I think their response to his behavior would be something along the lines of "Dude, lighten up a little..."
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Which retard was it who suggested Peter was an LSE a few months ago?
Probably Smilingeyes.Originally Posted by Ezra
I am sure Brian is ISTp. He uses Fe, but only because he has to and he is not comfortable with it. And his snobbery is totally ISTp. He is not all that pretentious. Just a snob. There is a difference. He reminds me of my ISTp ex.Originally Posted by Gilly
Haha, Chris is totally INFp. <3 Chris!
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
who the hell says SLIs can't be culturally literate?Originally Posted by Gilly
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
JesusOriginally Posted by implied
Actually, I think it was eunice.Originally Posted by discojoe
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
well, his word against mine!Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
edit: or His Word
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
brian is a clear SLI.
from what i have seen of this show (a limited amount), brian is neither a snob nor particularly pretentious; rather, he makes a very good example of rational, even-tempered but objective and willing to speak up if necessary creative Te.Brian uses too much Fe and is a little too...culturally literate/pretentious for an SLI, IMO. SLIs don't make very convincing snobs Laughing I would say Beta NF before anything Delta.
Yeah - I find it hard to see Brian - the dog, right? - as an SEI. Way to level, and realistic. ST, business minded.Originally Posted by niffweed17
I haven't seen much of the show, but, I find it hard to see Brian as a beta NF.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
edited for gayness.
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People are somewhat difficult to type, fictional characters are difficult to type, specially cartoons and more specially, crazy cartoons...
Peter Griffin: I dunno, ILE makes sense, but also LSE ???
Brian: the dog? INTj?
Lois: EII?
Quagmire: SEE
Cleveland: SEI
Joe: ESI? LSE?
Chris: alpha quadra (not ESE)
Meg: gamma SF, prolly ESI
Stewie: ILE !
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
Brian is IEE
He has in his ego and has Delta Values.
Peter is SEE, Brian is ILI
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
These are the only three characters I have an opinion on worth talking about.Peter Griffin: ILE [has all the stereotypical characteristics of one: including accidentally saying the dumbest / most awkward things, not being able to say no to his fantasies, etc.]
Brian: SLI
Stewie: EIE [World conqueror subtype - Stewie and Brian are conflictors]
Peter: why is it I never see any of these stereotypes manifested in the ENTps on this forum? his particular kind of obnoxiousness is more ESFp'ish.
Brian: yes SLI
Stewie: alternatively LIE. It's either of those two.
Brian - INTj
Stewie - ESTp (duh? )
Peter - ENTp
Lois - INFj (peter's supervisor, has that same exact "pointing out the conspicuous" Si HA rendered over and over like Brian)
Quagmire - ENTj (harder to realize, but definitely an extrovert and Se valuing, comes off overall more rational, and Te ego is a safe bet. my second guess is ESFp)
Stewie seems more ENxj to me.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
My typings have always been:
Peter: ILE
Lois: ESE
Meg: EIE
Chris: SEI or IEI
Stewie: LIE or EIE
Brian: SLI
Cleveland: EII
Loretta: LSE
Bonnie: IEE
Joe: LSE
Quagmire: probably SLE or SEE
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Stewie: ILE Ti
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
I guess it depends on where one draws the line between sensing and intuition. I agree with Ti subtype.
If he's Si seeking, why does he resent Lois's caregiving so much?
I think he might be an Alpha's caricature of an ILI or LIE, a la Emperor Palpatine from Star Wards: cold, calculating, controlling, power-hungry, etc.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Are you implying something, sirrah?
Man Gilly. I thought you had an epiphany, but I guess I have more work to do.
and Tcaud is so INTj. How the fuck is he beta? Is he JWC3's identical? Is he yours perchance? BnD's? Jimbean? Numbers?
Delta? Gamma?
I'd really like to know cuz I'm pretty fucking 100% sure he is Alpha NT.
Is it because he's a meanie! SE VALUING. He's so stubborn... He holds strong beliefs. Thats Se. what a bast.
The end is nigh
Oh please, don't even TRY to act condescending. You made me rethink some things; that doesn't mean I saw the rose-tinted light of Archshton
I don't care about tcaud's type. He's insane.
Stewie clearly values Se: always wants more, not afraid to use violence, tries to subordinate others, always making plans that get him more "power." He hates Lois because she limits him and treats him like a baby (which he is, and resents it every step of the way), and his only goal is to kill her or gain complete autonomy. An LII Stewie wouldn't bother, and would like being "cared for" as it would make his inventing go along more smoothly. Stewie doesn't like inventing for the sake of inventing; he likes inventing things that give him more power or independence. Clear-cut case of Se valuing.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
To me stewie is always expressing his weakness of role Ne when he has to rethink his plan. By the way, Fe works better as the hidden agenda than Se. I think Se is the modus operandi. Fi is the PoLR, even though Si is his extinguishing/ignoring (whatever), and that comes through more in complaints and distractions. He really doesn't seem to perceive Fi at all.
Oh yay now at least i have been given some credit "Archshton"!!!!11!@
From this description I shall analyze your understanding of Se
Se:
- Always wants more
- Not afraid to use violence
- tries to subordinate others
- always making plans that get him more power
Lois coddles him and he doesn't like it therefore he is not infantile.
Stewie doesn't like inventing for the sake of inventing and does it instead for selfish reasons therefore is Se valuing.
So it would make sense if Ne therefore
- always wants less
- Afraid to use violence
- does not try to subordinate others
- never makes plans to achieve power
We can dispose of 1 because I understand the nuances of your speech and the reversal doesnt make sense.
I can think of plenty of Ne valuers who are not afraid to use violence and Se valuers who caution from violence.
I think the subordination of others is not type related. Maybe aristocratic vs democratic difference, but the way its used in the show is less of a natural or emergent social phenomenon that stewie finds himself in, but a more overt attempt at humor through the "evil genius" archetype that Stewie is a manifestation of.
"Achieving power and independence" are too general for our uses. And anyway, its not even true. If there was a type I'd most expect to want to achieve "power and independence" in the way Stewie does it would be 5w6 Ti INTj.
I mean, its very obvious to me your thought process on this. You have this definition of Se as some power, domination, willforce, commanding dealio. I get it. I just think its obtuse and misapplied. If anything, Stewie is an archetypal Ti valuing Ij. He ambitiously goes about planning for his goals, he has a god complex, amoral and nihilistic, seeks independence, crabby.
This will not be a very fruitful discussion however, seeing as this is a fictional character and of the worst sort for typing purposes.
The end is nigh
Sigh. Between us having obviously incongruous views, and, as you said, this being a fictional typing, I'm not even going to bother. I think anyone with a frontal lobe can see that Stewie is Se valuing, as defined by the cubic model. I don't see how nihilism or a god complex or any of those other thigns are in any way as related to Ti dominance as the things I mentioned are to Se valuing.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Peter is ESFp. Those aren't random Ne tangents, he's actually experienced him. He's reminiscing over his Se moments.
'Remember the time when' vs 'wouldn't it be x if'
Whenever he does use Ne, its for an intended purpose, its not just for fun as an Ne dominant would be more predisposed to.I dont see the zero will power thing, and I see him as having Fi. He clearly cares, he just gets caught up in his Se to realize what he's doing. Whenever he fucks up, he comes back and apologizes/patches things up. His style of humor is also ESFp, I dont see it manifesting through Ne whatsover.
You actually see Ti in him? LOL.
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<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
Yeah remember this...
"Aw how the hell am I gonna break this to Lois? If she finds out I got fired for drinking, she's gonna blame me!"
"It's okay to lie to women. They're not people like us."
"Uh I don't know. Hey, where's the other guy?"
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
You think SLE is more plausible for peter than it is for stewie? Just wondering...