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    Hello all. I would like help determining my type. I believe the type I have listed might be wrong and would like your opinion. In the past I have scored as IEI, ILI, and EII. I saw these questions on another page, and copied and pasted them. Please let me know your thoughts.

    1. What is beauty? What is love?

    Beauty, to me, is the invocation of the sublime. What I mean by this is that a moment of beauty exists when you are met with a force, a picture, or idea greater than you. This concept is something you understand to affect your life supremely, and perhaps other people’s as well. Beauty, in essence, removes us from ourselves into something greater.

    Love is two-fold. There is both the sentiment of love, and the act of loving. I believe the sentiment of love to be ostensibly the most powerful one in existence. The reason I say this is that I believe there is a point at which our minds cognize someone else as loved: this is a moment at which we realize our narratives are irrevocably bound with theirs. This feeling can exist outside of experience of the other person itself. This is to say, we can love someone, but not actually love them in the action. The action may present itself in myriad ways: sometimes in hate, sometimes in support, but always it traces itself back to a passionate understanding that the person before us is necessarily cognized in such a way that their narrative is something important to you personally.

    2. What are your most important values?

    This is hard to answer. Holding a concrete pillar or value is difficult to say, because I feel for me the ones I have are hard to articulate. That said, I believe reality to be a very liminal space, and that all things we come into contact with influence us insomuch as we influence them. So it becomes important to me to understand phenomenologically how I’ve interacted with my surroundings, how they have with me, and how I have influenced them and am doing so in real time.

    3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?

    I do not, officially. I have never enjoyed going to going to church. The environment has always felt slightly empty to me. I prefer to stress my connection to phenomena around me. That said, I would say because I see things so liminally I have a spiritual view of the world. In the right light, everything can be sacred.

    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?

    Personally I do not enjoy war, nor would I involve myself in war. That said, I recognize that war has been an important manner for people to express themselves and their understandings of their communities across time. I especially enjoy reading novels about war because of their psychological complexity. The grandiosity of something like war forces an inversion of perspective on many people, and the ramifications of that bring out some of the most unbelievable things about people.

    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?

    Most commonly philosophy. This is my major in college, and in larger groups I find it hard to open up, unless I am talking about something serious like philosophy. That said, I almost always try to pinpoint one person to have a meaningful conversation with. I usually try to get an idea of how they are interacting with the world around them, and usually I do this through discussing their relationships, sexual tendencies, beliefs about the world, and committing to see them continually over time so that they become more willing and comfortable speaking with me.

    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?

    Not at all. I tend to ignore my body for the most part. I feel I live in an almost constant state of dissociation. That said, I do work out to make sure that my body is running so well that I do not have to think about it or whatever might be affecting it.

    7. What do you think of daily chores?

    I really dislike daily chores. Sometimes it can be nice to put things in order, and ultimately I appreciate the outcome of chores, but many times I can’t get in the clearest place of mind to actually complete these.

    8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.

    Generally I have not delved much into either of these art forms. Music, though I have considerably, so I will list some albums that I have connected powerfully with. The Age of Adz (Sufjan Stevens), Strange Mercy (St. Vincent), Kaputt (Destroyer), and Skeleton Tree (Nick Cave). I enjoy all of these because I think they deal with a very specific sort of psychotrauma, different in each case, and find imaginative approaches to expressing this trauma, leaving questions surrounding it, but declaring their pain in a way that feels personal and uncomfortable for them.
    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?

    I almost only cry when something is bitter-sweet, I don’t show emotion hardly ever, even when alone. The crying, then, comes when some sublime feeling comes through to me, an experience of understanding someone else’s experience or a necessary collective emotional experience of all people becomes clear. Unironically, the same things make me smile afterword.
    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?

    Very few places. Perhaps a room including myself, or a lover. I enjoy lying in bed and listening to music...writing poetry. I also enjoy solitary experience of nature. It is good time to reflect and see phenomena come alive in a meaningful way.
    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?

    People have seen me as allowing people to come in too far into my life, seeking out my guidance and support, while also not revealing enough personal information to match. In a sense, I suppose this is a sort of passive aggression because I rarely turn people away, but close myself off to the majority of people because I don’t intend to pursue an extended relation with them. While I tend to be nice, I collect a large amount of information on people which makes them feel I both have a part of them, while we might not want to pursue a true relationship of some sort.

    12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?

    My ability for conversation, imagination, articulation in giving way to my ideas, philosophizing, and creativity are noted and enjoyed by many. I am a poet and I write a lot...this is something I enjoy being good at.

    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?

    I would like help in feeling able to unearth some of my harder-kept feelings at times. Self-revelation is something I value, but find hard to do and to let my guard down for in the moment, so I would like to be more engaged in that manner. Also, I would like to be better at doing simple house things perhaps, because otherwise I’m quite unable to maintain autonomy for myself.

    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.

    Yes. I suffer from a mood disorder. I’m fairly stubborn and usually rely on my own strength and explanations to cope. I have written as a mechanism of dealing with issues of mood.

    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?

    Again, this is very hard for me to articulate. Ultimately I care more about having an understanding of people on some level, at least in the context of how they fit into their own life. From there knowing why I like them likely deals with how they potentially would fit into mine.

    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?

    I enjoy both of these to a great degree. It’s hard again for me to describe the ideal partner, I find it would corrupt the notion of an ideal itself to even start delineating it, though there is a picture of someone interacting with their world in a certain way that sticks out to me.

    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?

    How will they interact with the world? Will the place we live in offer them potential to come to an understanding of who they might be subconsciously and who they want to be consciously? I would make sure to research where we were living, and see how my child changes over time to meet their needs.

    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?

    Outward: nothing. I usually don’t like to get into this sort of a debate, because I usually associate with people who feel as strongly about ideas as I do. Inward: I try and understand why this person reacted this way. I think about why I reacted in the opposite way. How do those diametric ideas fit together?

    19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.Prevalent social problem: Us vs Them mentality. We are all one people. We are all living beings, monkeys, horses whatever, it's all the same really, just different outtings of life. Distinctions only really exist in our minds.

    I tend not to focus on larger societal issues because I find most change and living occur on a micro-level. I am enveloped with people around me to a large degree, and I enjoy reading theory about society and the way it shapes people and viceversa, but I would consider myself to be in general a stateless individual.

    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?

    This is a gradual process. Usually I will meet someone astray outside a group function, get to know them, and become closer overtime. On the other hand, some people come into my life in a full-force manner, and some of them become friends over times, and some do not.

    21. How do you behave around strangers?

    Very freely. I enjoy making up personas around strangers, and pretending to be someone they might seem to enjoy. I find this to be fun especially at an airport or transition place where you can get to know someone and insert yourself into the world of someone with a very different background and experience of reality.


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    NF of some kind. I wanna say EII (or IEI, or even IEE or EIE) but not sure. Can you describe your relationship to the different IMs in your own words? What kind of poetry do you write? Why do you think you might not be IEI and why did you think that in the first place? Do you really think you could be NT, and why? I'm definitely not getting ILI vibes. How do you feel about Delta/Beta values?

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    in the most superficial sense
    you write like an eii with the elaborate dry tone but


    "Very freely. I enjoy making up personas around strangers, and pretending to be someone they might seem to enjoy. I find this to be fun especially at an airport or transition place where you can get to know someone and insert yourself into the world of someone with a very different background and experience of reality. ""


    :/

    Fe creative maybe


    i'll have to read everything later




    you relate more to beta than delta yes?
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    I think that your self-typing is correct.

    IEI > EII.

    You seem more of a Creative than a Creative. Also, you say that you don't care much about your body. This can be linked to Role and to IEI again.

    Another trait: you talked about "philosophizing" a couple of times. I associate it with , the Leading function of IEI.
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    You said you are a poet. It would intetesting to read something youve written and use that as typing material.
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    Hey, thanks for the opinion. I think my younger self probably related highly to Delta values...perhaps that is natural though because I lived in something of a Delta ST home. Not sure what you mean by IMs. Most of my poetry tends to center around themes of love and romance, and how these connect to the roles these characters play in the world at large, and their comfort or discomfort with this. Typically I'll create a character, or attach myself to a specific character, and try to explore an idea through their own perspective. I find this to be necessary to get to the heart of how I perceive things because I can't always be an incarnate form of all these internal perspectives. In some sense I consider it to be something of an inner psychological sojourning process that doesn't have neatly defined parameters because it is so internally motivated. It helps me to integrate my own reality, and lead something of a normal life on a day to day basis, because I can become whoever I want in the creative world and escape that archetype by leaving it to the page. The reason I think I might not be IEI is because I am less and less relating to on a personal level. In general I would say that I prefer to only open up to a small group of people and am known for being an incredibly serious person which runs a bit counter to that. In general I feel as though I am likely dominant and I have gotten ILI-3Ni as my score the past couple of times on the sociotype.com test. I figured if and are my most valued functions, ILI could work in the sense that it works for someone like Kafka..

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    Probably relate more to beta than delta in the sense that I think I have always had a strong focus on . My view of reality has always been incredibly liminal. I used to (and still do) write aphorisms. One of the ones from my early teens that I still feel is important to me is "and no drop of water may say that it itself was not changed, and the concrete it hit too, upon its contact with the opposing surface. All changes constantly." It was a statement that, when later reading Heraclitus's comments on the process of flux in reference to a man crossing a river I had to take a little gasp because I felt a mutual understanding.

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    I will have to look more into the role function, but that makes sense in general. Interesting that you associate with philosophy. I feel that as years have gone by philosophy has become more and more , laying complete ontologies of the universe so science may function on its back. I'm really most interested in how to integrate my own reality and experiences, however, which is certainly more of a reason for philosophizing, and which seems to be the backbone of more earlier philosopher's work. I've actually had to branch out and study other things, specifically literature, because I feel by instrumentalizing the whole of reality with a few specific paradigms, many modern philosophers have moved away from analysis of human experience. I'd like to see how you feel about that considering you are dominant.

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    Here is something I wrote called "Cancer." Maybe it will be of some help. It follows the idea of a daughter who was born under the astrological sign of cancer (something that relates to the archetype of family and harmony in this device). I don't want to reveal too much, but the family's love is conditional...upon her continuing the family line. She rejects this and finds liberty, and even joy in the death of her mother because she is free to pursue her own connections that reach the stars, or the promised land of human connection, which the family tree, no matter how long and old, could never reach.

    Above you it's cancer

    The slots had an order
    And the men in blue have called
    To deliver your fortune

    Shot from the cave
    Of endless revisions
    I come to you with eyes
    And a body pressed towards the distance

    How did you choose
    And how will you fare
    If your fortune ends
    Without infinite interest?

    It's a shame you walked
    Father
    The snow covers your steps
    Father

    I'm in my pale kicks
    Spanning the ottoman
    Father says it's time to
    Walk on our branches

    But my shoes are broken
    They're scuffed and I fall down
    Stare at the night sky
    And reach for our stars now

    The empire has fallen
    And hugging the ground
    You call out to Istanbul
    And eye her with lustful hope

    It's a shame you walked
    Father
    The snow covers your steps
    Father

    I wake in the night time
    To call to my sister
    She's under the moonlight
    Searching for an answer

    Perhaps it is mother
    Caught in the spiderweb
    Crucified in fortune one
    For a little death in fortune two

    But I can't deliver
    Though stars still stand above us
    For I am the end of
    This hungry endless frontier

    It's a shame you walked
    Father
    The snow covers your steps
    Father

    And you die in anguish
    As you lie eternally in the ground
    I was your proper fortune
    For all earth goes down

    And though you stared above
    The ether was never love
    And I have chosen to
    Convert into a dove

    The end could only be
    The day those came to see
    The stars yet held the key
    To an idea we could reach

    It's a shame you walk
    Father
    The snow covers your steps
    Father

    It's a shame you stare
    Mother
    I've beaten you to the ground
    Mother

    And I loved the sound.
    Yes I loved the sound of beating this nation to the ground

    Hear the birds whisper
    They have a song for today
    It’s the way in the way that they listen
    To the trees into which they were borne

    Listen to the voice
    In the trees
    It’s calling with an answer:
    Your slot machine wasn’t broken
    It was only born in cancer

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    Quote Originally Posted by meadowmaster View Post
    H The reason I think I might not be IEI is because I am less and less relating to on a personal level. In general I would say that I prefer to only open up to a small group of people and am known for being an incredibly serious person which runs a bit counter to that. I
    The creative function can be thought of as functioning as the "slave" of the base function. It is not normally used independently but in connection to the base. There is an enormous difference between base Fe and creative Fe.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Vortical-Synergetic types are probably best suited for poetry. Furthermore fits with IEI.
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    Sounds like IEI makes the most sense. I find it a bit surprising with my 5w4 Sx/Sp enneagram, but I suppose socionics looks at the functions a bit more in terms of their processing than MBTI which tends to type me as a T and sometimes even TJ on account of more letter-associable qualities.

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    IEI. Confirmed.
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