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    Personality Theories and Self Identity.


    • How do you think that personality theories (such as Socionics, Enneagram or mbti) influence people perception of self identity?


    • Do you think that personality type theories could influence negatively people with problems of self identity? How?


    • Do you think that people with problems on self identity would actually look for an identity to adapt, take or fill into instead of looking where they actually fit based on their real preferences? What would be some repercussions of this behavior in your opinion?


    • Do you think that personality theories influence the effort that people invest in the developing of real personal relationships? Do you think that personality theories can be used as subsitute of real people and real emotional/psychological intimacy?


    • How your enneagram or sociotype has influenced the development or perception of your self identity positively and negatively?


    • Do you think that exist a correct and incorrect way for using personality theories? What would be a good use and wrong use of personality theories in your opinion?



    Please discuss!
    I suggest reading the next article to have a common background or understanding of the topic in the discussion.



    Help! Who Am I? 7 Signs That You Suffer From an Identity Crisis

    By Harley Therapy
    “I Don’t Know Who I Am”

    With the growing popularity of social media, these days more than ever we are called upon to show off ‘who we are’. And while things like Facebook encourage the best of us to exaggerate our good bits while glossing over the bad, for some of us, our inability to be authentic is more than an online issue. It is a struggle in every part of our life.
    Is this you? Are you plagued by the thought of, “Who am I?” Do you find yourself doing what you think you ‘should’ do, or what allows you to keep up with others, because you just can’t tell what you like and don’t like? If so, you might be suffering from a very real “identity crisis” that deserves your attention.
    What IS identity, really?

    Our identity is the way we define ourselves. This includes our values, our beliefs, and our personality. It also encompasses the roles we play in our society and family, our past memories, and our hopes for the future, as well as our hobbies and interests. Most of these things can, of course, change. We can switch jobs, move to a different community, or experience life changing circumstances that challenge our beliefs.
    So then how do we know our identity is or isn’t real and ‘stable’?

    To have a solid identity we need to be able to see that we are the same person in our past as we are now, and as we will be in the future. We need to feel the same no matter what our environment.
    It doesn’t mean that we act the same all the time, not at all. We might know we are moody, or that we act differently under stress, or depending on who we are around. We are not, for example, going to act the same around a romantic partner as we act around our parents or colleagues. But even with these variances in our behaviour and moods, we feel we are the same person underneath.
    A person without a sense of identity, however, can instead feel a disconnect from who they have been, and/or no sense as to who they will become next. They don’t feel they are the same, but feel a different person sometimes from day to day. Some report looking in the mirror and finding it hard to believe it is them looking back.

    Of course we can all feel like we don’t know who we are when we experience a challenging time in life. If we lose our job, or a loved one, if we have to move countries and leave our family behind, all these things can leave us so bereft we temporarily lose sight of ourselves. But a real identity crisis is different.
    A real identity crisis is when we don’t form a proper sense of self as an adolescent (see the section below “why do I lack a sense of identity”). It results in certain ongoing behaviours throughout our adult life.

    7 Signs That you Lack a Sense of Identity

    Not sure if you are just going through a rough patch or really are suffering from an unformed identity? Check for these seven factors that show you might not have a stable sense of self.

    1. You change with your environment.
    If you work at one job and everyone is studious and quiet, you will be studious and quiet. If your next job requires you to be chatty and upbeat, it will soon seem as if you were always the social type. It’s as if you are more formed by your environment than your own choices and personality.

    2. Relationships mould you.
    Not only are you likely the sort who feels entirely bereft without a relationship, when you do get into one, you change your hobbies and appearance to match your partner. You will convince yourself that what they like is what you really like, but you just didn’t know it, even if you have just gone from wearing black and listening to classical to wearing cowboy boots and listening to country. And if your partner doesn’t like things you’ll give them up, down to changing your friends sometimes.

    3. You often have radical shifts in your opinion.
    This can include big things like political and religious beliefs, or just your opinion on popular culture and things like food and fashion. You might even find you change your mind from day to day and never know what you’ll agree with next. Whether you realise it or not you will be changing your opinion to give others what they want. Even if you are disagreeing with someone, on a certain level you ascertain they like a challenge so present an opinion that allows for debate.

    4. You don’t like being asked about yourself.
    It makes you uncomfortable when people ask too many questions about yourself. Perhaps you have developed good tactics for avoiding this, like changing the subject or turning questions around on to the other person, then just agreeing with them.

    5. You get bored easily.
    At the heart of not having an identity is often a restlessness, as if you are afraid to settle down incase you commit to the wrong thing that makes your life worse instead of better. The truth is that as much as you want to know who you are, there is a fear of knowing, too.

    6. Your relationships don’t run deep.
    If you aren’t sure who you are, you can have a fear that others will find out that you are actually nothing much and then not like you. So there can be a lot of self-protection going on that prevents real connection with others, even if you tend to attract a lot of friends and are often in a relationship. You will likely suffer a fear of intimacy.
    You might also have troubles holding on to a relationship or social circle for too long, or find you hang around with people who control you and tell you what to do.

    7. Deep down you don’t trust yourself.
    If you don’t know who you are, and you have surprised yourself in the past with your own quick decisions and sudden changes of opinion, you can feel that you can’t even trust yourself.

    Why do I lack a sense of identity?

    Psychologists connects a lack of identity to our childhoods. If we didn’t hit the right markers of psychological and emotional growth, we can be left an adult who lacks a real idea of who they are.
    Developmental psychologist Erik Erikson believed the environment a child grew up in was crucial to forming their sense of self awareness and self. He identified eight stages to a human’s psychosocial growth that all build on each other, each of which offers us a positive outcome if we experience them properly, but leave us struggling if we don’t.
    Erikson coined the phrase ‘identity crisis’. For him, it occurred during the teenage years, during a stage he called the Identity vs. Role Confusion level, where we learn to be true to ourselves. But if we have not had the healthy environment required to learn the crucial lessons of the earlier levels of our childhood, it will be far less likely that as a teen we can find the success we need to learn to be true to ourselves. Instead we will enter the adult stages of emotional growth at a deficit and confused about who we are.
    Another important level when it comes to identity that Erikson talks about is from birth to one years old, what he calls the ‘Basic Trust vs Basic Mistrust” stage. Our caretakers help us develop a sense of trust. If they don’t, we are left to grow up believing the world is unreliable and inconsistent – which can result in feeling we ourselves are unpredictable and untrustworthy.
    More recently Attachment theory has also supported this view, proposing that creating a healthy attachment with a caregiver as an infant determines our character as an adult.

    Is it lack of identity that is my real problem?
    There are several other other psychological issues that can also cause a lack of identity that need to be considered.
    Codependency is when you seek your value through the approval of others instead of from within yourself. In order to win this approval, codependents are prone to adjusting themselves to match others, meaning your sense of identity is unstable.
    Bipolar disorder involves disruptive swings in behaviour that have you acting in very contradictory ways. For example, a usually calm quieter person can then spend 48 hours partying and flirting with strangers. This can leave you feeling very confused about who you really are beneath the erratic acting out.
    Borderline personality disorder involves having extreme, out of control emotional reactions, especially if you perceive you are being in some way rejected by someone. This can leave you so sensitive that you manage by changing who you are depending on what you perceive others want from you, much like a codependent does. Many people with BPD report that they don’t feel they know who they really are.
    Then of course there are more severe forms of identity disorders, like schizophrenia and dissociative disorder, formerly called multiple personality disorder.

    What Kinds of Therapies Help Someone Find a Sense of Identity?

    If you are struggling with a sense of self, any form of talk therapy would be suitable (as opposed to more structured, short-term therapies like CBT). Talk therapy offers an unbiased and supportive environment to start to unravel why you are afraid to commit to an identity, and to discover how to listen to your own wants and needs, likes and dislikes. You might consider psychodynamic psychotherapy, existential psychotherapy, or Jungian psychotherapy. People centred counselling is also a good bet, a form of therapy where you determine what the agenda will be and what you want to work on.

    Conclusion

    Life is an exploration, and at certain points, we all surprise ourselves. There is no need to know exactly who you are to do well in life. But if you find that your lack of identity is causing you to feel unstable, and you suffer an ongoing sense of stress and anxiety because of it, then perhaps it’s time to ask the real you to please stand up! The good thing is that there IS a real you. We all have an inner self waiting to be discovered, and all it really takes is the decision and commitment to do so.
    Want to know some techniques to get closer to knowing your real self? Our next post will look at different ways to find your real identity. Sign up for our updates to be sure you don’t miss it!



    Source: http://www.harleytherapy.co.uk/couns...#ixzz4mupRSg00
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    (Mt 12:21)

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    i think many of them fall back on typology as a last-ditch attempt to circumvent any real form of self-improvement.
    "this is what i am and it is all i will ever be, even if it isn't what i really am, let alone all that i am, nor all that i will ever be."

    the self is always becoming, it's unraveling over time, and if you assign a static label to an ever-shifting kaleidoscope of behavioral patterns, then it hinders self-improvement, especially if you consider that personalities change whenever they're exposed to new stimulation. if you were to save your personality from 5 years ago and upload it into a body and you did the same with your personality right now and you put them in a room together then they would disagree, debate, and conflict with one another. there would be no unison or harmony. typology is to personality what IQ is to intelligence, it is but a tiny subset of a cohesive whole, it is by no means the whole. it only becomes a problem when it's mistaken for the whole, even more so when someone has assigned an incorrect label to oneself, but it has the potential to be a useful tool for self-analysis and other-analysis. it's only a dangerous tool when it's used as a crutch. i don't think it puts anyone at risk of substituting real emotional and psychological intimacy with an up-in-the-air personality theory, unless they use that personality theory as a tool to categorize and filter everyone they meet in the real world. there is no such thing as identity insofar that your identity is merely a string of repeated behavioral patterns. tl;dr "we are what we repeatedly do" - donald einstein aristotle jr

    the correct usage would be, "this is a vague portrait of how i process information, here's a list of strengths that resonate with me, i should find ways to foster these strengths, now here's a list of weaknesses that resonate with me, i should find ways to work on these weaknesses."

    the incorrect usage would be, "this is an exact portrait of how i process information, here are my strengths, i should mold my identity around these strengths, now here are my weaknesses, i should use these weaknesses as an excuse to not work on myself. where's my dual?"

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    yeah but the flipside is personality theory also details a path to self development, so if someone's not taking up that aspect of it, its not the theory's fault, it was something they were going to do regardless of the occassion. I.e.: be lazy

    I think the beauty of socionics is not just that it entails a path forward for each of the 16 types in terms of, you know, "work on your creative", "try to find positive suggestive" etc, but its also a meta commentary on the complimentality of the human kaliediscope and how "misunderstanding" is not just a euphemism but a thing with real comprehensible roots that you can work on and in doing so improve your life and attitude and your relationships etc etc

    i mean, which is what you basically said in your second half but I guess i just wanted to hear myself speak, sorry no bully intended

    i think the bottom line is permissive v restrictive interpretation of personality with permissive being the proper orientation, like you said, "this is the situation and how I can improve" not "this is what I forever am doomed to remain"

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    there's definitely some merit to the system (otherwise i wouldn't spend so much time thinking/writing about it)

    it was an awesome moment when i mentioned the system to my friend after he spoke to me about his sporadic energy levels. for the longest time he thought it was indicative of a severe chemical imbalance (at worst, a personality disorder) but then we got to talking about temperaments and how some people just don't have consistent nor stable energy levels. it's just how they are and there's millions, even billions, of people out there who operate on a similar feedback loop. reactive rather than proactive. it may not be the be-all end-all for tracking human complexity but at the very least he could find some solace in the reassurance that he's not severely disordered, he's just different from some people. on a similar note, it was interesting to witness the quadra progression theory gilly (?) had outlined in one of her articles, play out in a large online community i had been involved with for a few years.

    it's both comforting and saddening to realize that there are some people out there you may not be able to get along with, no matter how hard you try, which extends beyond socionics or any other typology system, but clashing values, even IEs, may still play somewhat of a role in that. maybe now we can recognize that we're just approaching the same problem from two opposing angles, but at times it can still feel like you're talking past each other.

    apparently i like to hear myself talk too

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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid View Post
    i don't think it puts anyone at risk of substituting real emotional and psychological intimacy with an up-in-the-air personality theory, unless they use that personality theory as a tool to categorize and filter everyone they meet in the real world.
    You know this is what people do.

    there is no such thing as identity insofar that your identity is merely a string of repeated behavioral patterns. tl;dr "we are what we repeatedly do" - donald einstein aristotle jr
    Amen!

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    I have found that people, who have identity issues, have trouble looking at themselves objectively. In a sense, many live a lie or in a delusion, and no matter how many personality tests are taken, the misinformation still exists and most likely have influenced the outcomes of the tests. These people may even use the outcomes of incorrectly filled out tests to justify an incorrect self-image.

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    living a lie or in a delusion is basically letting the trickster archetype have free reign over your destiny, either willingly or unwittingly

    its a very interesting phenomenon to observe because I see it function to provoke a meaningful counter stroke in the environment

    it seems like life finds a way... to see others react to the chaos the trickster sows is illuminating. its like why satan is the bringer of light (lucifer)

    appreciation for this dynamic is why I think the gnostics often saw satan as the brother of christ, because they seem to represent two sides of the same dynamic which works itself out over time in humanity, and which without one the other would have no meaning or context

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    [QUOTE=Slugabed;1204195]Personality Theories and Self Identity.


    • How do you think that personality theories (such as Socionics, Enneagram or mbti) influence people perception of self identity?

    - Well, as for me, i actually wonder always what should i act. or what I'm acting is okay? why people behaved that way towards me?
    So these theories greatly helped me understand people and myself as well. it makes me more in control of the situation.


    • Do you think that personality type theories could influence negatively people with problems of self identity? How?

    - Some people boxed themselves. Like i noticed in mbti forums, people tries to be a sterotype mbti. They adjust themselves to the mbti sterotype which i think is not okay.


    • Do you think that people with problems on self identity would actually look for an identity to adapt, take or fill into instead of looking where they actually fit based on their real preferences? What would be some repercussions of this behavior in your opinion?

    - That's actually true. The problem of psychology theories. Some people doesn't know themselves very well. That's the reason why they try to fit in.


    • Do you think that personality theories influence the effort that people invest in the developing of real personal relationships? Do you think that personality theories can be used as subsitute of real people and real emotional/psychological intimacy?

    - Yes. It helps with relationships a lot. Well i don't think it should be a substitute. This is only a theory you know. Not real. :/ this is just a guide of human behavior. Use it to your advantage. Don't depend on this in living your life. It's just a guide not a life.

    • How your enneagram or sociotype has influenced the development or perception of your self identity positively and negatively?

    - It makes me understand myself and others. Thus it makes me in control of any given situation. It's actually an advantage. It's a psychological hack actually i think my EQ has increased because of this.

    • Do you think that exist a correct and incorrect way for using personality theories? What would be a good use and wrong use of personality theories in your opinion?

    - Make it a guide, not your life. Control it, don't let it control you.





    1. You change with your environment.
    - This is actually necessary especially when you're from a different culture with what you're currently living now. We must adjust ourselves for everybody's benefit. Harmony is essential. This is a shared world. It's not your own world. Adjust yourself, but have your own voice. Adjust yourself but know yourself.

    2. Relationships mould you.
    - We learn from each other. No man is an island. Accept each other's differences and respect it.

    3. You often have radical shifts in your opinion.
    I actually change my mind all the time, but i don't people please. I just sometimes if needed

    4. You don’t like being asked about yourself.
    I hate being asked what happened to my day because I'm lazy to go back and remember what happened xD

    5. You get bored easily.
    - Well i get bored easily doesn't mean i don't have my own identity lol xD

    6. Your relationships don’t run deep.
    I don't think this is necessary. :/ sometimes you just have to get few deep relationship. And well, having non deep relationship is actually good too. No dramas lol xD

    7. Deep down you don’t trust yourself.
    - Well i don't trust myself sometimes because I'm dangerous lol i sometimes make actions impulsively lol



    - I think it's not that bad to try new things and be someone else you're not. Because you know, i tried to be a whore, an nerd, a... Hmmm.. What else.. Something that wasn't really me.. Just for experience xD

    Because i wanna get to know myself more like why i am not like that.. And why being a whore is not really for me.. And why being a nerd exhausts me... sort of like that xD


    That's all

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    I wonder how it is possible to feel the same all the time. Maybe I'm messed up, but I really can't feel like I'm the same no matter what. This is actually an issue for me and my own self identity.
    When I read the 7 signs of lacking identity, I only relate to 2 which are; I get bored easily and I don't really trust myself. All others however are false for me. A sense of identity for me is not about my opinions, relationships or acts. A sense of identity is an internal feeling, that I've been longing to find for a very long time. It's a feeling of inner stability, a firm groun under your feet and a peace in your mind. I have an issue with the fact that my own view of who I'm changes with my mood. All of my sense of identity is based on my current feelings.


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