Where do you find the most ESFps ?

[Empire]

I am surrounded by ENFPs ISPJs ENTJs ESTPs. Where do I find ESFPs INTPs etc?

[Bertrand]

when you say INTP do you mean LII or ILI? the universities are chock full of LII

a lot of ESFPs work in hospitality and entertainment

[Sanguine Miasma]

Where people need initiative lead (most likely) in every day life. It is better if it is rather active.

[Chae]

Ideally, where a party is.



In business, too. Everywhere in sports. Really, just join a martial arts or basketball club, they'll be there.

You can also go by popularity in your environment, who's everyone's darling? SEE is often among people's all-time favorites, especially the subtype has everybody charmed into submission, it's incredible. Or, the opposite spectrum, who's the troublemaker? Surely there are SEEs in between those polar archetypes but they will always stand out. Look for the "notorious enchanter".

Also, the tip that I always give, spot the SEE by their body You can't miss their physical presence.

If you have problems determining the TIM straight away, take instincts or enneagram as a guidance: a SEE is almost always an 8, 7, 3, or sometimes 2. And SP-last, on average.


I assume you simply ask for where to find Gamma, ILI was mentioned in particular. Hm... they are always behind the scenes, it's tricky. Maybe my dear friend @Food can recommend something.

[flames]

Ideally, where a party is.



In business, too. Everywhere in sports. Really, just join a martial arts or basketball club, they'll be there.

You can also go by popularity in your environment, who's everyone's darling? SEE is often among people's all-time favorites, especially the subtype has everybody charmed into submission, it's incredible. Or, the opposite spectrum, who's the troublemaker? Surely there are SEEs in between those polar archetypes but they will always stand out. Look for the "notorious enchanter".

Also, the tip that I always give, spot the SEE by their body You can't miss their physical presence.

If you have problems determining the TIM straight away, take instincts or enneagram as a guidance: a SEE is almost always an 8, 7, 3, or sometimes 2. And SP-last, on average.


I assume you simply ask for where to find Gamma, ILI was mentioned in particular. Hm... they are always behind the scenes, it's tricky. Maybe my dear friend @Food can recommend something.

Yes!
Look in the club, look at house parties, look anywhere "fun". Look at the zoo (half joke half serious), look at the mall (you will find every SF type there), look at the movies, look IN the movies (), look at a public pool, look at sports stadiums (I don't care for sports but many of them do), look at weddings, look at school, look at bars and strip clubs, look at any place with entertainment and/or people, etc.

They should be a somewhat common find, not as much as ESE who you can mistake them for and watch out for that, too.

As for ILIs, I have yet to find an answer for that. I can only find them online.

[Skepsis]

ILIand SEE: Paths may cross, but they may never meet.

[Chae]

@Daddy Lessons true, yes!!

One ILI idea I had was any place with historical significance. Could be a museum, for instance. Any job that has to do with conservation and restoration. IT would also be a field.

[Olimpia]

One ILI idea I had was any place with historical significance. Could be a museum, for instance. Any job that has to do with conservation and restoration.

Hm, places like this attract a lot of SLIs, too. I think you'd more likely come across an SLI-Te there, rather than an ILI.

[Chae]

ILI and SEE: Paths may cross, but they may never meet.

Oi oi, anything can happen.<3 Pam Anderson and Assange got together recently on a platonic basis, for instance, and keep seeing each other. You'd never expect them to meet, so different in character and profession. But yet, chance plays a role! You just need to watch out for a good opportunity and know what to look for as the one endowed with divine Socionics knowledge. I never believed in that "parallel lines that never touch" or "lines that cross for a short moment" life analogy. It's just not what happens out there. Math also has other phenomena and not all lines are straight.

[Chae]

Hm, places like this attract a lot of SLIs, too. I think you'd more likely come across an SLI-Te there, rather than an ILI.

Sure, I'd also associate those with LSI professions, too. Or perhaps I am too geared toward my own dual to give advice on ILIs All I know is - significance is the most important part. Really, places with higher purpose. That sounds abstract but this is what I'd expect for , although this purpose is of course tremendously personal and difficult to distinguish for the SEE. To substantiate this... writing is a good realm for purpose. Literature of any kind harbors many ILIs, the profession requirements suit them a lot.

[User Name]

Where do I find INTps?

I'm an INTp. I don't know if it's just my case but the only place where my friends can find me is school, because I spend the rest of my day exclusively at home, doing what I really like.

[Skepsis]

Oi oi, anything can happen.<3 Pam Anderson and Assange got together recently on a platonic basis, for instance, and keep seeing each other. You'd never expect them to meet, so different in character and profession. But yet, chance plays a role! You just need to watch out for a good opportunity and know what to look for as the one endowed with divine Socionics knowledge. I never believed in that "parallel lines that never touch" or "lines that cross for a short moment" life analogy. It's just not what happens out there. Math also has other phenomena and not all lines are straight.

Many ILIs meet ESFps post mortum, performing an autopsy, or embalming, on their well lived, but short lives, haha

[Chae]

Many ILIs meet ESFps post mortum, performing an autopsy, or embalming, on their well lived, but short lives, haha

Yeah, should've met earlier to prevent all the destructive partying SEE = Pharaoh, I saw that, good analogy!



"Sorry. Wish we dated back then."

[Kiba]

Hm, places like this attract a lot of SLIs, too. I think you'd more likely come across an SLI-Te there, rather than an ILI.

I rarely visit historical museums. I prefer art museums. Si associated to past is a well known MBTI concept, but I've never read Si=Past on socionics authors.

[Empire]

when you say INTP do you mean LII or ILI? the universities are chock full of LII

a lot of ESFPs work in hospitality and entertainment

ILI.

[Bertrand]

I have an ILI friend and he uses tinder

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he sends me shit like this cause he thinks its funny

[Empire]

Is that real? He sounds ENTJ

[Bertrand]

we have very different understandings of ENTJ then!

[Sanguine Miasma]

Yeah, should've met earlier to prevent all the destructive partying SEE = Pharaoh, I saw that, good analogy!

"Sorry. Wish we dated back then."

To continue off topic:
Gamma NT (I think LIE) who meets several people incl. SEEs (and performs medical procedures to harness power for him and others always doubting his conduct):
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/The_Egyptian

[I think writer is ILI]
Always doubt LIE doctors... (area 1D IEs and Se HA...)

[Olimpia]

I rarely visit historical museums. I prefer art museums. Si associated to past is a well known MBTI concept, but I've never read Si=Past on socionics authors.

Well that's you, but I'm pretty sure that the curators or guides I've come across in historical museums have been SLI.
Also, several of my history teachers have been SLI.

Of course not all people working at a museum (or interested in history) will be SLI, nor will all SLIs be interested in historical museums.

Based on my experiences and observations, it is simply more likely to come across an SLI than an ILI in a historical museum.

ILI-Ni usually go into something philosophy related, become authors and so forth. ILI-Te are often found in more business-related endeavors, and/or are typically involved in neuroscience, robotics, and similar. SLI-Te may also go into science-related endeavors, especially Physics seems to appeal to some of them. SLI-Si individuals often have a more hands-on profession. The men may go into construction, the women tend to be more interested in fashion or similar. And then there are also SLIs who become human rights lawyers, engaging in their Fi HA (and Social instinct).

Maybe I should write an overview of where to find the types.

[idontgiveaf]

Esfp are just fairly easy to find. Girl club activities i guess. With males i don't know

[idontgiveaf]

Intps are inside their rooms. Internet dwellers you can find them on 9gag

Esfp- social medias

[Tallmo]

I rarely visit historical museums. I prefer art museums. Si associated to past is a well known MBTI concept, but I've never read Si=Past on socionics authors.

si people like museums because of all the different objects there they can take in. LSEs often like museums.

MBTIs idea that Si is about comparing with the past is a horrible misunderstanding that MBTI did. It probably comes from Jung where he describes Si as "archaic". (you can find this in psychological types, chapter 10, under "The introverted sensing type") But he means something totally different. He is saying that Si is an archaic reaction to outer stimulus. That the experience itself has something archaic in it. It is an excellent way to describe . If it is understood correctly. Basically saying that the impressions that we feel have developed from the history of the psyche.

[Tallmo]

Ok. Lets see. The SEEs i've known

One is a designer one is a gardener one is a teacher one is a construction worker one is an opera singer. One works in the local hardware store and one is a speech therapist. And one is a professional trumpet player

[Kiba]

Well that's you, but I'm pretty sure that the curators or guides I've come across in historical museums have been SLI.
Also, several of my history teachers have been SLI.

Of course not all people working at a museum (or interested in history) will be SLI, nor will all SLIs be interested in historical museums.

Based on my experiences and observations, it is simply more likely to come across an SLI than an ILI in a historical museum.

ILI-Ni usually go into something philosophy related, become authors and so forth. ILI-Te are often found in more business-related endeavors, and/or are typically involved in neuroscience, robotics, and similar. SLI-Te may also go into science-related endeavors, especially Physics seems to appeal to some of them. SLI-Si individuals often have a more hands-on profession. The men may go into construction, the women tend to be more interested in fashion or similar. And then there are also SLIs who become human rights lawyers, engaging in their Fi HA (and Social instinct).

Maybe I should write an overview of where to find the types.

I don't know about ILIs, the internet is probably the best way to find them imo, and yeah, philosophy or even maths are appealing to them (the few ILIs that I've known were into maths).

Anyway, I was just saying that I don't see any relation between SLI and museums, history and conservation (just because being SLI); actually, I've known people studying history and antropology, and I knew a whole generation of ppl who were studying conservation and restoration and none of them where SLI. My LSI friend was on that career btw, and he said he loved it because he didn't need creativity lol (and he wasn't artistically skilled either.) He always was interested about the history of different cultures, while I was developing arts skills.

I think that SLIs tend to choose fields where they can use more their hands (or minds or both), and where they need work constantly in their skills. Also I dont think that you could be really sure of the type of your teachers, curators or guides. Just saying, could be othwr type or their quasi identicals LSIs.

[Kiba]

si people like museums because of all the different objects there they can take in. LSEs often like museums.

MBTIs idea that Si is about comparing with the past is a horrible misunderstanding that MBTI did. It probably comes from Jung where he describes Si as "archaic". (you can find this in psychological types, chapter 10, under "The introverted sensing type") But he means something totally different. He is saying that Si is an archaic reaction to outer stimulus. That the experience itself has something archaic in it. It is an excellent way to describe . If it is understood correctly. Basically saying that the impressions that we feel have developed from the history of the psyche.

Yes, but some ppl have been importing that Si=past idea (correct or incorrect) from mbti to socionics. Which has not so much to do with Si, since it contradicts other traits of some Si users, like SLIs being focused on the present more than in past or future.

What you describe reminds me off a concept called body memory. Also I think that Si could be related to muscular memory and the creation of neuronal connections.

[Tallmo]

Yes, but some ppl have been importing that Si=past idea (correct or incorrect) from mbti to socionics. Which has not so much to do with Si, since it contradicts other traits off some Si users, like SLIs being focused on the present more than in past or future.

What you describe reminds me off a concept called body memory. Also I think that Si could be related to muscular memory and the creation of neuronal connections.

Ok. Well thats really bad if they are importing that. When jung talks about archaic he means that our impressions have developed from interaction with the environment for millions of years. From that interaction something has been imprinted in consciosness. For example the feeling of comfort. Jung is talking about the quality of the experience itself. Trying to charactarize that, although it is difficult. It has nothing to do with memory or comparing. Its about the evolution of the mind

[Hermit Soul]

SEEs tend to have a large social network. The best way to find them is to expand your own social network and then through your social contacts you will probably end up encountering an SEE.

I have met two SEEs in my life so far, I met one of them via an ILI, and I met the other one via an SLI.

[Kiba]

Ok. Well thats really bad if they are importing that. When jung talks about archaic he means that our impressions have developed from interaction with the environment for millions of years. From that interaction something has been imprinted in consciosness. For example the feeling of comfort. Jung is talking about the quality of the experience itself. Trying to charactarize that, although it is difficult. It has nothing to do with memory or comparing. Its about the evolution of the mind

Google the concepts that I mentioned above (corporal memory, muscular memory and neuronal connections related to experience), maybe you'll find them interesting. The use of "memory" in that terms is not the "memory" of remembering things as is commonly used (or a liking for store info -remember things- or something like that), but how the body keeps experiences (something that dancers or martial artists use, related to motor skills), all of us use that too I guess, when we learn to walk or run and each time that we do it again. I think that could be related to Si. IDK if it could be related to archaic as you mentioned, I'd need to read that directly to understand it. So I'm just mentioning that as additional info in a wild association that I made, lol.

[Kiba]

I used to have an SEE friend.
She was literally anywhere.
But she was always on social environments...on conferences, on parties, on school, doing drugs with people, fighting with people, sleeping with people. lol
She used to travel alone to get new experiences and meet more ppl. She made her degree on musical studies.
Also she was fascinated with kind of ILI guys that I always see as weird and unappealing (not that she just dated that kind of thing, btw). But she was always like mesmerized when hearing and knowing new stuff and all kind of theories and intellectual possibilities since she was a feeler and lived completely through physical experiences.

[Olimpia]

I've met SEEs through public school and I have a couple of SEE family members.

Other than that, I don't meet any SEEs (anymore)...

[flames]

I used to have an SEE friend.
She was literally anywhere.
But she was always on social environments...on conferences, on parties, on school, doing drugs with people, fighting with people, sleeping with people. lol
She used to travel alone to get new experiences and meet more ppl. She made her degree on musical studies.
Also she was fascinated with kind of ILI guys that I always see as weird and unappealing (not that she just dated that kind of thing, btw). But she was always like mesmerized when hearing and knowing new stuff and all kind of theories and intellectual possibilities since she was a feeler and lived completely through physical experiences.

Sounds like me for sure.

I've met SEEs through public school and I have a couple of SEE family members.

I was going to say that school is probably the easiest place to find any Se egos, oddly. Like, they stand out the most out of everyone and so many people at my school are Se egos.

[Bertrand]

Also I think that Si could be related to muscular memory and the creation of neuronal connections.

based on my experience, you're hitting on something very insightful. I was really into lifting weights for a while and I always marveled at people who could dial in their form and consistently execute it over time without any seeming difficulty or delay in doing so. as for me, it felt i had to concentrate really hard to get it right and then next time i was in the gym it was like i had forgotten it all and had to start over. i eventually ended up progressing quite far but every single time I had to go through this process and I knew it was happening and it always bugged me because it was like "why can't I remember how I did this?! (so that it 'felt right')"

this also wasn't because I was lazy and only going once every two weeks or something like that either, it could literally be the same exercise the next day

[Dioklecian]

Any famous ESFPs?

[dot]

My closest friend and the father of my SLE friend are both ILI-Ni.. my friend is on the way to become a scientist/professor and the other is already a scientist but working in development aid. Both Ni subs also have an interest in ethical things (maybe because of heightened Fi) and my friend might consider later doing something society related, too. In his free time he surrounds himself with topics such as architecture, philosophy, politics, books, but my friend even goes to parties and he used to do dance.

I also met an ILI-Te once.. was an old guy, but he used to be a teacher for young/new people in a company.

SEE: parties, I had some interested in economics, languages, sports, dance, even politics (my neighbour is SEE too, she studies law), culture.. basically everyhwere when you go out, lol.

And I relate to SEE-Fi being specifically charming. My stepfather is SEE-Fi and it is incredible how he can charm so many people and have so many useful connections. I recently met another SEE and his way of charming (being very personal and assertive) reminded me lots of my dad.

[Dioklecian]

Please use Vi whenever possible. I am very VI driven and need to verify the type selection.