Quote Originally Posted by Economist View Post
Sure, maybe I generalized too much from my LSE 3 so/sp friend, and I am on the insecure side. 3 and social-first are common in enneagram types for LSEs though, so it's still relevant. Relations often don't work as stipulated in socionics theory, due to enneagram and idiosyncrasies, or even just the limits of current socionics theory, so I think it's useful not to get too caught up in stereotyping or over-romanticizing dual relations.
Mm, well I'm "post-duality" as of several years ago, so, I don't really have those concerns I guess. I'm not attempting to defend an image of duality, rather, offer counterpoints to what is being said.

as far as "Relations often don't work as stipulated in socionics", I would argue that the profiles expressing particular pre-determined outcome for relationships are misguided and only useful in the context of explaining psychological lopsidedness and related stresses, mhm.


I also want to re-emphasize
Re-emphasize all you want.

I think it's more of a problem for initial encounters/short-term situations. I really don't think LSEs, power-hungry enneagram type or not, are instinctively drawn to/pick out EIIs at a party/in a class and try to talk to them (unless the LSEs are ones who are into socionics). But if they see an EII working hard, being reliable & trustworthy, demonstrating good sense--over a substantial period of time (which is hard cos often there's no reason for them to keep interacting for that long)--then they might notice and like them more.
The irony is that I find all of this fitting into the same general slate of stereotyping that you are basically trying to be against, above. I don't think many of these generalities really hold or are worth analyzing or drawing much from. I can see that being a trend and even a reality, but it's sort of like... what is the point, other than justifying someone's dismay or hopelessness.

Yes, i think there is a default acclimation that takes place with all dualities, by nature of people being lopsided.