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    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/133-Instinctual-Stackings
    Summary of SO instinct

    primary concern - building their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and a security of place with others via interaction with people in a broader sense (through family, group, subculture, mainstream culture, community, nation, world)

    primary focus - the status, approval, and admirability of themselves and of others in the minds of any number of different groups; "subtle" power structures and politics; knowing what is going on in the world; a contextual intelligence that allows them to see both their efforts and their broader context in the world

    primary ambition - interacting with people in ways that will build their personal value, their sense of accomplishment, and their security of place with others; to touch base with others to feel safe, alive, and energized; may include pursuit of attention, success, fame, recognition, honor, leadership, appreciation, and the security of being a part of something bigger than themselves

    primary stresses - being able to adjust to others and be acceptable; others' reactions to them, whether they are being accepted or not; may include intimacy, which is tended to be avoided

    coping methods (unhealthy) - antisocial behavior, detesting or resenting society at large, displaying poorly developed social skills, fear and distrust of society, resentfulness at having had to change to gain approval causes a stubbornness against doing what is necessary to get along with people, social resentment and avoidance as is skewed by the secondary instinct
    Basic idea is that I think it's fairly easy to get social instinct and Fe-seeking confused or mix ideas together.

    There definitely seems to be some overlap though. For instance in this video: ISTJ she talks about how LSIs will happily work for free as long as they're appreciated, which also shows up in other descriptions as well. Also, various descriptions for both Ti leads that "a good place is where I'm wanted/appreciated," and wanting to be a part of something bigger than themselves. Those things are Fe-seeking and also overlap with social instinct.

    But other things seem to me more like pure social instinct and I see people apply them to Fe-seeking, such as political power-structures, networking yourself into social positions etc. Thoughts? Ideas? Discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    But other things seem more like pure social instinct and get applied to Fe-seeking, such as political power-structures, networking yourself into social positions etc. Thoughts? Ideas? Discussion?
    Where and how was this associated with Fe seeking? I don't really see a connection to it on the surface.

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    I think an issue that arises is people can understand the elements in ways that focus on motivations. Whereas, I find it's more reliable to see them as skills.

    For example, the power structures, observing heirarchy, networking portions I don't attribute to Fe whatsoever. Fe could certainly make it easier, but it's really just a skill concerning reading people and discerning non-explicit information.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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