What makes me ENFj?

[Kristiina]

When I said I typed myself ENFj, no one really argued. No one said that there are reasons why I just can't be ENFj. Does that mean that people agree that I'm ENFj? Is there something ENFj about me?

I wonder if you guys thought, "ENFj, wait-a-minute, that actually makes a lot of sense!" If you did think like that, then what makes you think I'm ENFj?

[XoX]

I just went through an old picture thread and saw your cool pics with the slightly Gothic theme for the first time. You must be Beta NF or Alpha NT. I go with ENFj or INFp for now. I didn't get Gamma or Delta vibe at all really. Don't know if my vibes can be trusted though

[Joy]

You're both resolute and merry, meaning you're Beta. If you have a Si PoLR, then you're ENFj.

[Joy]

I might add that Fe is your most obvious function, but you're far more confrontational than than any INFp I've ever known. Kelly can be confrontational, but it's not in the same type of way that I'm talking about here... I can't really explain it better without offending anyone even if I'm not trying to be negative or critical.

[Joy]

Fuck it...

*screws diplomacy*

When INFps are confrontational, it's in a totally harmless, almost comical way. They're overly dramatic. Sometimes it's cute, sometimes it's annoying, and it probably accomplishes what they're trying to accomplish more often than not... but it's not really ever imtimidating or difficult to deal with. When they get REALLY upset, it's like dealing with an over tired child who's throwing a temper tantrum.

Anyways, INFps are all bark and no bite... your can be quite biting at times Kristiina, though often it seems that it's not in the way that was intended. I'm not a Fe type though, so you prolly have a much better grasp of the situation than I do, at least in that aspect.

*has a cigarette*

All that said, Se and Ti also seem to be strong in you. I haven't noticed the Ni, but I definitely see the Fe. Though I do notice Expat's Te a lot more than Ni, so it could be a subtype thing.

[Kristiina]

Joy, can you explain the Fe in me? I might be resolute, but I'm not merry. I have mentioned that about 2 or 3 times in the forum. I do agree that I'm different from INFps. I think I know 2 beta NF girls at school, but relations are rather lukewarm.

You smoke? I am still nicotine-free. 2 months already.


Ashton, no.

[Joy]

Remember that conversation we had? The "little rascal" conversation? You value polite and friendly behavior.

[Joy]

Also, there's a certain warmth in what you say... if the warmth isn't there, there's an active coldness (as opposed to an indifferent "coldness" such as what's seen from IxTps).

[XoX]

Also, there's a certain warmth in what you say... if the warmth isn't there, there's an active coldness (as opposed to an indifferent "coldness" such as what's seen from IxTps).

Yeah kind of. I can feel there is a certain "tone" in the posts. Which is meant to cause an emotional reaction (consciously or subconsciously). It is almost always there. Then compare to posts from Expat. The content is there but it is like a book without colours. I have to fill in the colours myself and sometimes I interpret them wrong. Kristiina's writing always has colours which can range from ice cold to red hot.

[Expat]

This is Rick's minimalist description of the ENFj message --

EIE: attracting attention to what one is feeling

Apart from that, it's not that I get from you an obvious ENFj "big picture", it's more like how the different pieces of information fit. You have EJ temperament, indication of PoLR, you value without being as tough with it as -dominants, you are more a feeler than a thinker, and you overall have Beta values.

Regarding specifically ENFj, I would also say that you are EJ in temperament but your "tool" and "objective" are other people. You do want achievement in concrete things, but your main drive seems to be acknowledgement and appreciation by people generally, and that is focus. By contrast, as long as it has no negative consequences - such as a bad appraisal at work - I couldn't care less about what people in general think about me, except very few select individuals.

[Kristiina]

It's rather easy to explain my every-day behavior in the context of ENFj A model.

EIE: attracting attention to what one is feeling

This is a very accurate sentence.

[CuriousSoul]

@ Kristiina
I think ENFJ is most likely your type, it fits with the proposed Oldham's types too.
Once again it goes to show that all the typing tests available at the moment are quite unreliable.
And it makes sense in the light of Smilingeyes type change theory as well.

PS Cone asked why would anyone answer that they are a feeling type on a type test, it is a good question actually.

[Expat]

@ Kristiina
I think ENFJ is most likely your type, it fits with the proposed Oldham's types too.

Actually we might discuss the Oldham types again at some point -- I can see myself as a mix of Vigilant/Aggressive/Idiosyncratic, without identifying fully with any of them, which I guess boils down to Enneagram 8. Something for another thread.

Once again it goes to show that all the typing tests available at the moment are quite unreliable.
And it makes sense in the light of Smilingeyes type change theory as well.

PS Cone asked why would anyone answer that they are a feeling type on a type test, it is a good question actually.

Well, lots of people have tested as feeling types in the available tests here, and even the MBTI statistics say that 60% of women and 40% of men test as feelers.

But yes, I obviously agree that no test, no matter how good, should be seen as the last word on anyone's Socionics type.

[CuriousSoul]

Actually we might discuss the Oldham types again at some point -- I can see myself as a mix of Vigilant/Aggressive/Idiosyncratic, without identifying fully with any of them, which I guess boils down to Enneagram 8. Something for another thread..

Well, yes I do not think anyone fully identifies with any of them but it is an interesting idea. I should get more aquainted with the Enneagram.

Well, lots of people have tested as feeling types in the available tests here, and even the MBTI statistics say that 60% of women and 40% of men test as feelers.

But yes, I obviously agree that no test, no matter how good, should be seen as the last word on anyone's Socionics type.

I personally find it a bit odd that many people seem to regularly test as totally different types, perhaps the "four scales" approach to typing just has its limitations, but I do not know if anything else really works either. I have hear people say that they get "feels" for the types, but then everyone has their own system.

[Dioklecian]

Krisitna do you have any pics kicking around?

[Expat]

It's rather easy to explain my every-day behavior in the context of ENFj A model.

EIE: attracting attention to what one is feeling

This is a very accurate sentence.

Thanks You've just helped me solve a historical typing I was having problems with.

[Kristiina]

It's rather easy to explain my every-day behavior in the context of ENFj A model.

EIE: attracting attention to what one is feeling

This is a very accurate sentence.

Thanks You've just helped me solve a historical typing I was having problems with.

cool.

I must warn you - it applies on the small scale, but not on the large scale. I attract attention to what I'm thinking and how I'm feeling at the moment. When I have to study and I really don't feel like it, I'll actually start huffing and puffing, so Erkki would notice and I could pout about how impossible the book is. Or when I'm watching a movie alone, with someone else nearby... I'll be even more expressive than usual just so other people will know that I am amused/disappointed/amazed....

On the larger scale, I'm interested in people approving my attitude toward the world. I want to be liked. If not by everyone, then at least by a certain kind of people. Shy people usually like me, because I don't mind that they don't talk much. I used to be bothered when I met a shy person who reacted negatively toward my naive chatter.

I find it difficult to explain, I haven't analysed my ENFj'ness that long. I want people to notice my mood, but I don't want people to think I'm emotional or moody.

[Expat]

The interesting thing is that what you described even fits the ENFj description of as +

And no, I don't intend to bring back to like the + and - functions, but those weren't based on nothing. It's interesting that you also focus more on + .

[Kristiina]

I never really understood the + and - functions, so I have nothing against them. What's + as opposed to - ?

Fe descriptions say that ENFjs value emotions, feelings and passion. I only value my own feelings and I'm totally against doing anything only because of emotions. I don't understand irrational emotional decisions.

This function reflects person's own emotions, his/her emotional, highly personal and passionate reaction to what is going on around. Types with this dominant functions are eloquent, often smiling, artistic, charming (but somewhat “fussy” and “too artistic”), can speak and persuade others, but they perceive situations too emotionally, too personally, and sometimes they “sink” in their own emotions, cannot calm down for long time.

I find this insulting. Everyone can speak and I wouldn't say I'm particularly good at persuading others. A couple of good traits that don't apply and then a bunch of bad traits.

[Expat]

I never really understood the + and - functions, so I have nothing against them. What's + as opposed to - ?

Very simplistically, + is about expressing own emotions and focusing on those of individuals, where - is more about making the other person open up with regard to their own emotions and focusing on the emotional moods of a larger group of people.

However, even though I think that reading about short-range and long-range functions is useful to keep in mind that they don't work equally in all types, I also think that the +/- distinction isn't right either.