Angela Merkel

[Averroes]

[silke]

Merkel is getting supervised by Trump lol

[Beautiful sky]

SLE final

[Singu]

LII or LSI... she dresses like Hillary Clinton.

[Chae]

LII or LSI... she dresses like Hillary Clinton.

Dang I never noticed, YES SHE DOES!!! Fun fact, she's rather infamous for it here and people make fun of it

[Raver]

LII or LSI... she dresses like Hillary Clinton.

Agreed, I think she is either LII or LSI too. It's hard to tell if she is Se creative or PoLR though. There is a similarity with Hillary Clinton who is LSI IMO.

[flames]

Seems more likable than Hillary but I don't know German lmfao

[Jake]

LII

[mclane]

I think she could be ILE-Ne

[The Reality Denialist]

Well, there are furious people who claim that she lacks decisive backbone. Non ego seems to be a possibility but I doubt.

[FDG]

i was thinking ILI somehow

[The Reality Denialist]

From documentary: She wanted to have power over molecules and after that the same ambition went into politics.

valuing.

[dot]

As a German myself: she is most likely ILI.. I looked at some of Filatova's portraits of ILIs and there was a somewhat Merkel look-alike female. She seems very focused and overall has a Gamma vibe, no 'merry' quadra vibes at all. Never ever is she a LII. Just judging from what I know about her, she was chancellor for most of my life. She lacks any kind of Fe charisma. I think she is Fe-POLR. Very conservative vibe.

[Zero]

Her husband Joachim Sauer looks very very ESI
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Has an ILE married her conflictor after a divorce? And I think LII as her type makes absolutely no sense. The Se look on her face I have seen in my SEE friend. She seems too happy in her photos, deep person,but I don't think she is LIE either. An extrovert. Gives a strong gamma vibe.

[Chae]

Went through a German interview. LII-Ne! Everything is naturally consistent here. She talks about possibilites/change/vanguards, creative does make sense. She picks up audience cues "Well you're laughing but see...", makes deliberate logical jokes or twists around ideas (she's even trolling people in this one). is valued. valuing as well, she readily talks about sleeping routine and how much rest makes her feel good. 4D is there, she juggles time frames and developments, gives historical references and predictions, but sort of as a byproduct. No mention of force except alluding to decisions that have to be made - but she does not provoke "aggressive action" like an ILI would. So that is more a use of ignoring. She prefers to go on longer tangents to explore topics rather than say what's necessary (), further demonstrating laws/ideas over time/profit.

isn't there either. One question was: What makes a man attractive to you? She first hesitated, then answered: "Beautiful eyes" ().

Her overall appearance is integrating rather than initiating, Ij fits best.

[The Reality Denialist]

I still think that alpha NT if ever ends up in that kind of position (seems like nightmare) is too prone to make anarchist movements (I know, I would...)

isn't there either. One question was: What makes a man attractive to you? She first hesitated, then answered: "Beautiful eyes" ().

That is absence of . LII would give abstract answer considering various properties of mind and person.

[The Reality Denialist]

Merkel is getting supervised by Trump lol

I'd say two SLEs in mental pissing contest.

[Delilah]

German elections results are out. What type is she? She doesn't VI ILI imo but the alleged consensual (in other threads) type of LII doesn't make sense for her extremely long stay in power, it speaks to gamma instead.She seems rather unexciting for Alpha, so could be, could be ILI after all

[WinnieW]

Merkel is no way a member of the alpha quadra. She is Te > Fi, imho.
Either she is no LII-Ne or I'm not a LII-Ne. I simply can not see that we are the same type.

...and she always prepares herself for interviews. A type with Ne in the ego block prepares for questions? Really?

P.S. A german poltician that strikes me as LII is... Anton Hofreiter...
but this one is for an other thread.

[silke]

Merkel is no way a member of the alpha quadra. She is Te > Fi, imho.
Either she is no LII-Ne or I'm not a LII-Ne. I simply can not see that we are the same type.

...and she always prepares herself for interviews. A type with Ne in the ego block prepares for questions? Really?

Socionics type LII is both "Farsighted" and "Strategic", as well as rational. So it's no surprise that she prepares in advance for the interviews. If you don't relate to any of any of such traits, might need to look into some other types :S

Farsighted types: LII, ESE, IEI, SLE, ILI, SEE, EII, LSE
- Inclined to solve problems by primarily using that information which they possess through knowledge and experience. Accordingly, their solutions are likely to be of a general nature.
- The search for the solution is explicit in the answer.
- "It is best to prepare in advance." ― Wikisocion

[The Reality Denialist]

Too anecdotal. Head politician needs to be well balanced person.

Merkel in interviews: it seems that her is bit limited. It is probably a role, 2D IE.

"This happened before but hints that we won't allow it or something similar (Se>Ni)."

[Spermatozoa]

Definitely SLI to me.

I definitely sense a strong preference for Te in her political judgements; furthermore her aversion to radical changes and general caution/deliberation is much of what I would expect from an Si ego, not LSI whose Se force makes them far more impulsive. Intution is generally low, which explains her infamous errors on immigration, the best example of what happens when she makes a big, sudden decision. Beta Quadra is also less inclined to universalism, and prefers a defined hierarchy based on strength. This would explain the conflict Merkel has with Trump, a clear SLE who has the opposite functions but in the same order - meaning the same order of priorities yet the opposite conclusion.

[Olimpia]

Definitely SLI to me.

I definitely sense a strong preference for Te in her political judgements; furthermore her aversion to radical changes and general caution/deliberation is much of what I would expect from an Si ego, not LSI whose Se force makes them far more impulsive. Intution is generally low, which explains her infamous errors on immigration, the best example of what happens when she makes a big, sudden decision. Beta Quadra is also less inclined to universalism, and prefers a defined hierarchy based on strength. This would explain the conflict Merkel has with Trump, a clear SLE who has the opposite functions but in the same order - meaning the same order of priorities yet the opposite conclusion.

Agree.

I type Merkel as SLI-Te 6w5 So/Sp.

[ooo]

She added: "Millions of people, including myself, are asking ourselves, how can you live with the fact that, while celebrating the festive season where we want to celebrate life, somebody has come along and taken so many lives. I only know that we do not want to, and we cannot live with it.
"We do not want to allow ourselves to be paralysed by terror. It might be difficult in these hours, but we will find a strength to continue living life as we want to live it in Germany, in freedom and openness and together."

This was one of the best political speech of these last years, there's a lot of Delta value in it.

So glad Mutti is still there...

My mum just looked like her, and she loved Merkel, she was one of her favourite people. They used to dress alike too lol, she was also commenting on all her jackets everytime Merkel appeared somewhere ... and I think my mum was a SLI with loads of Te too. Merkel even has a PhD in physics, quite solid I'd say.

[WinnieW]

Socionics type LII is both "Farsighted" and "Strategic", as well as rational. So it's no surprise that she prepares in advance for the interviews. If you don't relate to any of any of such traits, might need to look into some other types :S

Farsighted types: LII, ESE, IEI, SLE, ILI, SEE, EII, LSE
- Inclined to solve problems by primarily using that information which they possess through knowledge and experience. Accordingly, their solutions are likely to be of a general nature.
- The search for the solution is explicit in the answer.
- "It is best to prepare in advance." ― Wikisocion

Do you agree to discuss this argument in an other thread?

Angela "Angie" Merkel - SLI and therefore is IEE her dual.
Is Martin Schulz her conflictor?
I'm under that impression.

[silke]

Do you agree to discuss this argument in an other thread?

Angela "Angie" Merkel - SLI and therefore is IEE her dual.
Is Martin Schulz her conflictor?
I'm under that impression.

Which other thread? I'm not that invested in her typing to have a very lengthy discussion about this. Having heard a few accounts about her given by people who knew her first hand, it became clear that "Angie" Merkel has weak sensing, to the point that she could not even dress herself and impressing others that she needs some help in this respect. This isn't now how SLIs are and neither do SLEs have such difficulties with sensing.

The Making of Merkel BBC - "Merkel didn't seem to care about her outward appearance at all. She was a typical GDR scientist, in that respect, wearing a baggy skirt, and Jesus sandals, and a cropped haircut. I remember coming back from our first trip and remarking to my office manager: "Couldn't you go out shopping for clothes for her?"

Another point that was already brought up, is that STs tend to be physically territorial due to ego accentuation on sensing and logical functions, and she is anything but that. This makes intuitive type typings to be much more likely for her than any st type.

I am curious about her enneagram type. So far nothing has really clicked.

[WinnieW]

Which other thread? I'm not that invested in her typing to have a very lengthy discussion about this.

Sorry, I my statement was not clear enough.
The point I was refering to was whether LII is a farsighted type oder not. That argument I liked to discuss in a seperate topic.
For discussion about the type of Angela Merkel this thread is sufficient.

I still say Te for her in her ego, not Ti. Not sure about the perception function she use in her ego.

[Sol]

Socionics type LII is both "Farsighted" and "Strategic", as well as rational.

Ni types are "farsighted" and "strategic". Ne are more in "now".

she's F type - EIE. brainless with "scientific" papers

[Delilah]

Ni types are "farsighted" and "strategic". Ne are more in "now".

she's F type - EIE. brainless with "scientific" papers

Hm. Don't you think though that staying in power for this long is a characteristic of the gamma quadra? This is what i've read in various socionics quadra descriptions regarding gamma and power. Beta might be good at capturing power but not that good at holding on to it.

[WinnieW]

Ni types are "farsighted" and "strategic". Ne are more in "now".

Not really, Ne is not really "now" but also not far in the future.
Ne is spontanous, yes, but it is not about observerable reality.

she's F type - EIE. brainless with "scientific" papers

EIE?
I can neither see Fe nor Se in her ego. That means half of the types are filtered out.

[FDG]

She has to be ILI-Te, nowadays i am actually pretty sure about it

[Olimpia]

She has to be ILI-Te, nowadays i am actually pretty sure about it

Wouldn't she have foreseen the immigration developments in that case?

She seemed totally caught off-guard.

I think an ILI in her position would have been much more "prepared", mentally and likely practically as well.

[FDG]

Wouldn't she have foreseen the immigration developments in that case?

She seemed totally caught off-guard.

I think an ILI in her position would have been much more "prepared", mentally and likely practically as well.

You´re right about that, but I can´t really see any other options...

In that specific case she may have had to execute some international plans, at least that´s the unofficial consensus.

[Sol]

Don't you think though that staying in power for this long is a characteristic of the gamma quadra?

valued Se = interest to stay there. it's not obligate to be T type, - she's nominal person and decides nothing - just TV host. F types smile good - that's enough for her.

> Beta might be good at capturing power but not that good at holding on to it.

There is no basis to think this impossible. There were LSI: Stalin, Hussein, Qaddafi, Lukashenko. SLE: Chavez, Nazarbayev. EIE: Bush-jr, Reagan, Trump (he'll also be 2 times), Berlusconi, Zhirinovskiy.

[Olimpia]

You´re right about that, but I can´t really see any other options...

In that specific case she may have had to execute some international plans, at least that´s the unofficial consensus.

Why not SLI-Te, then?
They are technically like ILI-Te without the Intuition, pretty much.
And her behavior in that respect was rather a sign of weak Intuition.

[ooo]

https://youtu.be/yyuM2JMVvJ4?t=1m40s

VI her

[Chae]

Woooo ohhh ahhh the Angie typing is popular again. I stick to 4D and add my instinct stacking guess: SX-last. 9 gut center, 6 head.

[Delilah]

valued Se = interest to stay there. it's not obligate to be T type, - she's nominal person and decides nothing - just TV host. F types smile good - that's enough for her.

> Beta might be good at capturing power but not that good at holding on to it.

There is no basis to think this impossible. There were LSI: Stalin, Hussein, Qaddafi, Lukashenko. SLE: Chavez, Nazarbayev. EIE: Bush-jr, Reagan, Trump (he'll also be 2 times), Berlusconi, Zhirinovskiy.

However the systems people like Stalin and Chavez upheld were widely different so it is difficult to draw comparison. As for Bush Jr. his two terms are not really comparable to Merkel's 4 and Berlusconi i've no idea what type he is, some have suggested SEE for him in the past.

Moreover I get the impression that Merkel is more of a negotiator type politician with her ability to pull off coalitions (so far anyway). What do you think, wouldn't that speak more to gamma?

[WinnieW]

This was one of the best political speech of these last years, there's a lot of Delta value in it.

Fi Hidden Agenda? Does this make sense?

I can't really see Fi in her ego, nor Se, nor Fe, nor Ne. I say she is either SLI or ILI.

[silke]

Sorry, I my statement was not clear enough.
The point I was refering to was whether LII is a farsighted type oder not. That argument I liked to discuss in a seperate topic.

If you're interested in hearing on how LIIs relate to farsighted/carefree trait why not make a separate topic in Alpha quadra? I don't type as LII so can't say anything about what it's like from the inside. A few Ti-LIIs I've met over the past years seem lead a very structured and habitual way of life, to the point of eating the same thing at the same time almost every day. Being scattered or improvising and living in the moment doesn't describe them well.