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    Default Perks of Reinin "Aristocracy"

    What's the positive side of Beta/Delta aristocracy? Both theory and personal experiences welcome.


    Some I noticed:

    - easy bonding when I sense that we share an affiliation
    - group loyalty
    - having a certain "we can count on each other" feeling with people in my circle that are also aristocratic
    - exclusiveness fends off idiots at a safe distance already
    - much permanent activity instead of having random people to talk to. We're all in the same boat then, that is great.
    - you can "inaugurate" someone to a special topic which is fun for both
    - being able to find people I resonate with fast
    - subculture adherence (also contraflow-related)
    - creating a shared experience
    - making sense of things quickly by determining people clusters rather than looking at individuals without group context.

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    If we trust in descriptions ILE seems to be the most democratic of all the types.
    I do notice that with this attitude comes certain challenges.
    All things needs to be leveled out from birth.
    [I do see a point in selective immigration politics if contrary actions might promote non democratic views in long term. I won't support fact denialism but I don't suffer from issues.]


    An aristocratic mindset might value inheritance more. Deltas might pass their profession and betas their status.
    I think continuity is big thing in long term.

    EII might say things like this individual behaves like this because community shares similar values without putting much thought in other interpretations.
    therefore IMHO:
    You can put aside non important issues and just continue life. (Alpha NTs like to pull everything apart and not wanting to start up something grand in gamma scale)

    History as some sort of time flow seems to look at things from aristocratic perspective unless you go towards specialized directions (where shiny thing is ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    An aristocratic mindset might value inheritance more. Deltas might pass their profession and betas their status.
    Ok, so this is a perk in what way? Add family for Delta, very important.

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    Is Delta aristocracy more interest-oriented and Beta aristocracy more goal-oriented?
    (Delta Ne creative potential vs Beta Se hierarchical advancement)

    idk. I refused to attend a particular school because I didn't like how it might reflect on me if other people found out I went there so I'm curious if that's related to aristocracy. It's kinda like wearing a band t-shirt because you found it in the laundry hamper or whatever but it's not even yours, yet people still assume you're a fan of that band, so they associate common traits of fans of that band, with you, and you're left to deal with all these baseless (but not really) assumptions about your character. Which is why it's easier to just opt for jeans and black, white, and grey tones.

    I'd agree that ILEs are the most democratic of all types. My ILE friends regularly comment on how they have "quiet minds", which I think goes hand-in-hand with Ne-Ti's latticework of mental models, wherein they reject everything (Se) except the general framework (Ne) in which they used to attain a nugget of wisdom or knowledge. That's why they're capable of skimming a long wall of text and summarizing it in 2-3 sentences before moving onto something else. And they may even forget everything they learned from the wall of text except the "gist" of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid View Post
    Is Delta aristocracy more interest-oriented and Beta aristocracy more goal-oriented?
    (Delta Ne creative potential vs Beta Se hierarchical advancement)

    idk. I refused to attend a particular school because I didn't like how it might reflect on me if other people found out I went there so I'm curious if that's related to aristocracy. It's kinda like wearing a band t-shirt because you found it in the laundry hamper or whatever but it's not even yours, yet people still assume you're a fan of that band, so they associate common traits of fans of that band, with you, and you're left to deal with all these baseless (but not really) assumptions about your character. Which is why it's easier to just opt for jeans and black, white, and grey tones.
    True, aristocracy is image-conscious. That relates to being in clique A or B as well I think. True, easier wardrobe decisions! We seem to know what we'd like to stand for, bands are a good example.

    Beta has the common aim, Delta the common development possibility I guess when we go after intuitive functions.

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    In a way you do not have to invent yourself. Aristocracy seems to be the lazy way. OK, IEE is the exception. I think NTs especially struggle with their place while SF suffer from stagnation. IEIs just need to hook up with some random presidential candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    In a way you do not have to invent yourself. Aristocracy seems to be the lazy way. OK, IEE is the exception. I think NTs especially struggle with their place while SF suffer from stagnation. IEIs just need to hook up with some random presidential candidate.
    Mmm, the perk of that, they might feel entitled to point at you and ask an SLE to remove that pleb from their sight.


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    We know not to listen to that one guy because he does a particular quirk that liars do.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    - Excessively expensive clothes
    - Trampling the lower classes while acting posh and genteel
    - Use of complex words and involuted sentence structure that sounds like another language to non-aristocrats
    - Liberal use of foreign languages in text and speech without translation, which is indistinguishable from the above
    - Power and status
    - Better music and arts than the bourgeois, and exotic food on demand instead of mush on special occasions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    - Excessively expensive clothes
    - Trampling the lower classes while acting posh and genteel
    - Use of complex words and involuted sentence structure that sounds like another language to non-aristocrats
    - Liberal use of foreign languages in text and speech without translation, which is indistinguishable from the above
    - Power and status
    - Better music and arts than the bourgeois, and exotic food on demand instead of mush on special occasions
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    Democracy – Aristocracy
    Trait monitors (controls, forms) dominance unequal ("vertical", hierarchical) and / or equivalent ("horizontal", democratic) relations in the system and the society:

    1. Democracy - the benefits are equivalent ( "horizontal") system of subordination relations, are equivalent ( "vertical"), - the relationship of equality of rights and opportunities, exclusive (leveling) hierarchical priorities. The conscious desire for equality, equality ( "democratic" information aspects make up a mental block model) and an unconscious desire for domination, subordination, suppression ( "aristocratic" informational aspects constitute a vital block). The Quadra DEMOCRATS: "First you work for the authority, then the authority of the work for you."

    2. Aristocracy - unequal benefits, subordination ("vertical") system links above are equivalent ("horizontal"), - the relationship of subordination, excluding (leveling) equality. The conscious desire for domination, subordination, suppression ("aristocratic" informational aspects make up a mental block model) and an unconscious desire for equality, equality ("democratic" information aspects constitute a vital block). The Quadra aristocracy: "Work on the authority necessary for life."
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    Although... Delta aristocracy is -based as well, degree of liking determines group adhesion. Gamma can be like that as well but their liking is adjusted through time (Ni) so it's not that much of a big deal. Speaking of perks then, when you're part of an aristocratic circle it's quite an accomplishment. The downside is of course elitism and excluding a person, maybe this needs another thread since aristocracy has as many disadvantages as perks I feel.

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    Weird stuff.

    For example I'm against that worker's union can dictate their minimum wage and other stuff. Not because of money but because it puts different groups of people in different position under the mercy of negotiators. Makes my blood boil.
    Then I hear stuff like: "They fought for our privileges and we are so lucky" and I'm like: &%&*"! Are you blind?!
    And then I'm enemy of everyone in the system.
    (never going to join group power based things)
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    Reinin "aristocracy" means all the traits that Betas & Deltas have in common. There is no such thing as Beta aristocracy anymore than there is Beta ability to breath oxygen.

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