Something You're Envious Of
Disclaimer: Not to be confused with being jealous which requires three parties and deals with loss, while envy only needs two and deals with lack. Envy is you (party one) wanting something (party two) you don't/can't have.
Ex.
I am envious of
- mad cooking skills (but I also find them super sexy, can't lie) I try my best myself but... still
- Mister Spock's ability to reason, completely inaccessible to me
Makes sense?
People who travel a lot.
People who do life changing things like switching jobs with minimal anxiety and faith that everything will work out.
People who love themselves!!
Originally Posted by summerprincess
/long period of silence follows/
Sigh I cannot not give psych advice here
1 integration could also help. But I know, I know, 4s should rather help themselves -_-
People who don't give a damn what others think about them. If someone says something hurtful to them, they can just instantly brush it off as if nothing happened.
People who are unusually original or innovative, who come up with inventions that could revolutionize the world.
People who are highly inspirational or charismatic.
I also second people who are able to travel the world and/or can fluently speak multiple languages.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
You could be talking about ILE there, hm.
It makes me wonder at times if Ne is my suggestive function and I'm really an SEI or SLI like a few people have suggested. Especially in regards to the second point.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
SLE all the way
You basically get your conflictor or dual with this exercise.
Congruently, you described ILE or LIE. Highat least which is in charge of exploring and change.
I envy that too.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Thank you for differentiating between jealousy and envy.
I guess I'm a little envious of Mr. Spock's ability to raise one eyebrow and not the other. I'm also envious of multilinguals, but I'm slowly trying to do something about that.
lol ILE does it in an anxiety producing way. LIE is the "good stuff"Congruently, you described ILE or LIE. High
when lungs initially posted I was like "yeah, thats frickin awesome" (People who do life changing things like switching jobs with minimal anxiety and faith that everything will work out)
Yes, the facial muscle control is fascinating.
What are you envious of?
courage to face oneself, or the mob. to do the right thing no matter the cost. to discipline oneself. to take a chance on yourself or someone you love. to be creative. to love completely. that kind of stuff
i dont know if envy is the right word, more like admiration. if I lack courage its only in regards to sufficient quanitity, because I feel I have a decent amount but not as much as I want. I probably envy people born rich, but that is stupid. maybe a better way to put it is I envy people with the resources and freedom to do whatever they want without monetary constraints. really that goes to courage though, because there's still a thousand things I could be doing I want to but I don't because im afraid on some level, maybe for lack of resources and what-ifs or maybe for other reasons. I don't really want the money I want the courage, the strength
, basically
I've heard the exact same in @User Name's thread.
yeah a part of me would also like to understand God, like why does he allow for suffering. why did he make so many terrible people, stuff like that. I feel like that is Ti on some level. probably also some kind of pipe dream
People able to type themselves easily.
Just kidding.
I don't know, I might be envious of anyone and no one, anything and nothing at the same time. It just depends on the situation.
Yes! Same here. It's why I've kind of lost faith in God and consider myself Agnostic.
I guess in an odd way, I envy people who are able to have strong religious faith in spite of all the challenges, who see life as basically good in spite of all the evil. On the other hand, I can also look down on such people for the same reason, like why are you just blindly following some seemingly arbitrary belief system.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
one ESI I know said to me he admires SLI self discipline and how "they do what they believe is right no matter the cost" "they are consistent", since well.. benefactor!
do you think LIEs give courage to ESI?
I don't know about envy, but what inspires me about other people and makes me think "wow I will try to be like that" is being more sure of oneself and self love.
Spontaneous people who don't second guess themselves and are confident, know what they want and how they want it.
Sometimes I envy people who have a clear sense of purpose in their lives - they have a calling and they know it and are pursuing it.
On the other hand, I also greatly appreciate the life that I have. I have greater freedom in my life than the majority of people do, and freedom is extremely important to me. One of my biggest fears is being tied down to something and not being able to get out, whether metaphorically or actually (being immobilized, suffocated, or restrained in any way are extremely terrifying ideas to me.)
I am one of those people who has just up and moved across the country, or completely switched directions for jobs etc but then I look back and think, would it have been so bad if I had stuck it out there? I have extreme wanderlust that I wonder if I'd be better off taming down a bit. I wish I knew for sure something that I should be doing, and would be happy doing, and not feel stuck or tied down in. Which circles right back to my opening sentence.
I do think LIEs give courage to ESI, because if the ESI loves them they are more willing to be brave for the LIE but also because the LIE, if healthy and not totally unlucky, probably builds confidence through successful initiatives and the ESI learns to trust that and themselves more. I guess strictly speaking no one can "give courage" but I do think there's an upbuilding dynamic there
Yes I think LIE can strategically lead ESI's "being brave for LIE" to being brave in their own lives as well.
I am not entirely sure what you mean by building confidence through successful initiatives. Do you mean mutual appreciation for putting enough effort into getting acquainted? so that way the ESI feels safe.
no one can give courage but one can care enough to lead the other in a way so they give themselves courage
I mean the ESI watches LIE venture himself... and succeed! So then they start to really believe in their possibilities (Ne), which can be an ESI weak spot
I see.. so ESIs judge based on experiences. of course
I don´t even think switching jobs is a life changing thing...oftentimes it´s almost a necessity if you want to avoid getting stuck in a rut.
I am envious of how some people can endure pain and uncomfortable conditions without getting fazed.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
look my rut is very comfortable ok
I'm envious of people who have the ability to attract the attention of everyone in the room, be popular and liked, influence people, etc.
I envy those with natural beauty and sex appeal. I want attention too!!
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
Try genuine kindness it's more attractive in almost everyone imo
Beauty catches the eye that's very true. The "what is beautiful is good effect" is a psychologically investigated phenomenon, it works. But you gotta hold that attention with something
People who are naturally good at styling and taking care of themselves, and somehow manage to look "flawless".
People who "have it together" and are further ahead in their creative career.
People who have a "normal" social life with friends and whatnot, and find it easy to connect with others.
Now, none of those things are necessarily impossible for me to achieve, but they require lots of effort. I don't think I'll ever be satisfied with the first point (I've tried a lot in the past and still fell short), but I might be able to improve more in point 2 and 3 (with a lot of effort).
IME, kindness got me in trouble. I get treated better the more I fight back and withhold kindness.Try genuine kindness it's more attractive in almost everyone imo
Beauty catches the eye that's very true. The "what is beautiful is good effect" is a psychologically investigated phenomenon, it works. But you gotta hold that attention with something
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
You get treated better because you instill fear and kill your own heart - what a world is this :/
A world where I'm gonna come out on top instead of trampled over.
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
I understand this.
Possibly actual self-confidence tbh. I kinda make a joke out of this in a real bad attempt to self-depreciative humour, but it always feels like I am somehow on the edge of withdrawing back anytime I say something with some judgement in it.
Also people who don't get guilt-tripped easily are pretty amazing in my book, given that they have ability to feel guilt. (so not sociopaths) I only get close to that somewhat if I turn off all emotions off and even then if that person does something good for me/acts all good and nice or someone else comments that they are actually meaning well, I really get insecure about my judgement real quick and other end of this would be acting without any remorse and being like the person I despise. (which honestly would take a higher toll on my sanity tbh)
And people who actually can remember -personal- things??? My memory resets some stuff frequently and especially bad times are pretty much deleted from my mind, I am also aware that I sometimes can think about something for so long and can imagine myself doing the thing vividly so I think that I actually did that while in fact I did not. (for example I thought I translated a doujin only to see that I never downloaded it but I did recall thinking about how I would clean some places where there was text on pictures and how much of a pain in the ass they would be which led to thinking about that for hours while at school as well as how I should word/translate some parts so I could remember thinking about doing it as something I actually did.) I also do forget everything about a thing when I move on from it.
And people who actually know what they want to do with their life and actually can enjoy it/can actually "live in the moment" and not in a constant state of meh or existential dread-ish low key depressive state if not engaging in anything in particular. Bonus points goes to people who don't feel like they are faking what they obsess over to feel more alive because of that dead inside/not really feeling THAT attached to anyone or anything in reality and as if they are not trying to cover that with acting like you care while deep inside you don't.
People who actually do enjoy life and takes a proper stance seems to be something I respect a lot, people who don't run away from life and people and can take them head on without feeling like they are just faking until they make it but with a sense of actual self confidence that doesn't crumble at slightest mistake.
Funny thing is, I don't exactly feel "envious" of them on a conscious level but more like in a "they are better than me and of course I never will be like that" sort of self-defeating acceptance way. Probably not healthiest mode of thinking. Eh.
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