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    I'm really an ESE.


    No but I'm really confused. So I think it's safe to say I'm between IEE and EIE. Not sure why/how there is no consensus because they are such different types. (I love ESEs I just am so not one)

    Here's a link to photos of me and my boyfriend: https://goo.gl/photos/QK15GG1anBc3aA4d6

    I added more bc the more info the easier it should be.....hopefully. Lol

    I already did a questionnaire and all of my answers are basically the same. I can do a video later if it helps! I'll have to do it tomorrow because I'm in the middle of finals at school right now.

    I would add my boyfriend in the video but he's pretty adamantly against typing and would not take it seriously.

    Questionnaire:

    Tell me about yourself?
    I study studio art and philosophy. I am always drawn to the idea of subjects and I want to have my hands in everything. I get frustrated, though, as I drop them fairly quickly after the reality sinks in. I am not good with follow through, not at all. I love every subject until I have to learn details about it, then my brain kind of just shuts off and i tell myself that something else may be more interesting. I am very content to get the "point" of everything and don't really have much of an interest in getting more than the gist.


    What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?
    I am currently working at a library. I am a student as I stated earlier, so this is just a job to get me by so I can buy fun stuff for myself lol.

    What are your values, and why?
    I want people to be themselves and to be honest. I value altruism. I value doing what you truly desire and to be given the freedom to do so. I think living align to your authentic self is the most important thing unless it harms others; I believe that when we do that, we are able to make true progress.

    What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?
    I go to school, prepare food ( I try to be healthy but I fail miserably) and I watch a lot of shows in between to escape from all of the monotony. Sometime I go to work, sometimes not. Sometimes I'll go out to a bar with friends, sometimes not.


    What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?
    I treat friendships and romantic relationships the same and am often really guarded and protective of myself until I know I can trust them. I wish I were more open sometimes but I'm not. There is a huge difference between how I act with a person I trust and a person I don't. ( I mean this can be said for practically anyone but still)
    I look for honesty and openness. I appreciate people that make me feel welcome and like my presence is appreciated. I look for patient people that are willing to listen and try to understand where I'm coming from. I look for people that say what they mean and mean what they say. I enjoy being around people that enjoy life and can make small, everyday things an adventure. I enjoy playfulness and people that can laugh at themselves. I look for people that can hold an intellectual conversation and are willing to go wherever the conversation takes them.


    What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?
    Can't remember, honestly. I really avoid conflict if I can. All of my conflicts are pretty much inner-conflicts lol. What happens on a regular basis is I'm doing dishes for my roommate because she never does them or I'm trying to do something to help others but I'm also really bad at explaining myself so people get confused at what I'm doing and usually get frustrated with me because I do everything in a roundabout way.

    How would your friends describe you?
    My friends would describe me as the one that wants to ask abstract questions always or turns everything into a philosophical problem. I think they are always annoyed by it lol. They also would probably say I'm bubbly and always the goofy-one. This is when I trust you, though. I like being the one that people poke fun at (playfully of course).

    What do people generally see as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    I am calculated and know really well how to create situations out of thin air. I can plant seeds wherever I go and tell someone something that I know will eventually create something weeks later. I also can get along with a lot of different types of people, if I choose to engage. I like that I am able to think deeply about things. I like that I am good at dealing with people on a personal basis.

    What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?
    I would love to be more outspoken. I have many thoughts I hold back and I am terrified that I will never share all of the thoughts I want to share.
    I am always told that I need to stick up for myself more. I need to be more assertive. I need to be more confident, etc. Blech fuck that who needs confidence


    In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?
    I need help taking care of myself. I NEED it. I get too lazy to do shit and often need deadlines to actually get anything done.
    I can manage people well. I am good at getting along with people but I'm never a good manager because I can never be the superior or the one to implement structure. I don't like telling people what to do, I'd rather get to know them and be friends with them.

    What things do you find to be a chore? What things do you enjoy more than others?
    Cooking is always a chore. Cleaning my room. Daily maintenance. I am lazy with self-care as well (sorry if that's TMI).
    I enjoy escaping with shows and talking to people about interestingish things.

    What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future? How did you come to have them?
    I want to have a job that makes me happy and satisfied (meaning it's challenging and doesn't bore me over time).
    I want to be in a meaningful relationship; I don't care about marriage but I do want kids. I want simplicity. I have pretty much always had these priorities.


    If you had enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life without working, what would you do with your time?
    I'd take a boyfriend to far away places and travel. I would ideally move so I could be apart of many different organizations and spend my life helping people in some way.


    What traits do you find endearing that others might dislike? What traits are considered positive/neutral by others but tend to annoy you?
    I enjoy people that are oblivious to social cues or are honest and awkward. I hate aggression. I never take abrasive language well.

    What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)? What do you think of daily chores?
    I buy things, like I have wall hangings and a house plant. I don't keep up with it well, though. I suck at chores. I do things outside my room to keep the common space tidy but my room is a shit-show.

    How do you behave around strangers?
    I give what you give. I will always mirror what is given to me. Rarely will I feel comfortable enough to just talk and not consider the person I am talking to.


    How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?
    I close up. I get quiet and retreat to my room or take a walk. I don't like open conflict and don't deal with it well.



    What is one common misconception that people have? Explain why it is wrong.
    I don't believe I have the right to tell anyone that their beliefs are wrong?

    What did you do last Friday?
    I went out to a bar with my friend.


    If you are doing a video you can stop here and/or choose from the rest of the questions as you like.


    What is your biggest accomplishment?
    Nothing, lol I'm just living in this work in progress.


    What is something you regret?
    I always put my foot in my mouth and have bad timing. I usually don't say truly hurtful things that would damage a person. I've done stupid small things that I regret like saying that a Policeman is probably going to get donuts nearby his car. lolol


    Who do you admire, and why?
    I admire people that have confidence in their convictions and have the ability to let people know they want something. I am pretty cowardly about things.


    What's been on your mind? Has anything been worrying or concerning you? What problems have you encountered lately?
    I perpetually worried that I am a screw up. I don't think that I have the presence to create my own life the way I want it to be. I quit things too often (jobs, projects) and want to stick with something and have the courage to genuinely try and fail.

    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and why do you hold them?
    I am interested in spirituality of all kinds. I don't think I have any clear-cut beliefs about it, though.


    What are your political beliefs, and why? To what extent do you care about politics
    ?
    I am as liberal as it gets. I care about politics but I'm not out protesting anywhere even though my country is shit right now.

    Would you ever be interested in starting a business? Why or why not? What role would you play in it? What kind of business would it be?
    I hope to be my own boss eventually. Not sure about any of it. I'll let ya know in a few years.

    What kind of work environment do you prefer? What do you look for in a job?
    Calm environments that aren't rule-oriented or overly structured. I look for friendly people.


    What is or was your favorite school subject and why?
    I have always liked studio art growing up.

    How do you approach responsibility? What do you tend to expect of others?
    I don't enjoy having too much responsibility on my hands. I would rather someone tell me what to do. I expect that people do what they know they are supposed to do, it's not that hard to get things done.


    Where did you go on your most recent vacation? What did you do there? How did you like it and why?
    I went somewhere relatively local for a few days. Went antiquing and just observed the area by walking around. I like seeing new environments, it always gives me a fresh perspective.


    What were you like as a kid? How have you changed since you were a child?
    I used to be much more emotionally open. I have closed off a lot because people used to always call me sensitive. I used to be 10000x more vulnerable. I also feel like I've developed a stronger sense of individuality and independence. i was a fairly rebellious kid and I am more complacent now.


    What was your high school experience like?
    Ew.


    Talk about a significant event from your life.
    I ditched a friend group that was completely toxic because they made fun of me for being quirky behind my back.
    First time I realized that they were literally threatened by me being different. Decided then and there to align with who I am as much as possible with people because I have nothing to be ashamed of just because I have a weird sense of humor and don't act like a complete follower.



    Do you like kids? Why or why not?
    Yes, because they are wonderful and inspiring.


    If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    I want them to realize that they are accepted for who they are. I was always told that my interests were boring and that I analyzed things too much. I want them to know that their thoughts and feelings are always valid.


    Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
    I feel stuck when I am stagnant and not learning anything new from a situation. I usually drop it then. Or I go find new information.

    How do you see other people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
    People are all made up of different interesting variables that we can bring to the table. I consider it a social problem to not accept someone because they are slightly different. I find most people shallow.


    What do you do if you're not getting what you want? What approach do you use?
    I usually change the situation so it's a compromise or I change my mindset.


    Are you comfortable taking leadership roles? In what areas? Why or why not?
    Meh, I'd rather not. I'm too laid back.


    How often do you get angry? What kinds of things make you angry?
    I get angry when people are intolerant of me and other people. I do not get angry, often though. I am almost never situationally angry, it is more of a color I see in everything when I am in that state of mind.


    What is the best thing that happened to you during the past week?
    I started classes again so I'm busy again and it's nice.


    What is the worst thing that happened to you during the past week?
    Nada


    What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?
    The purpose of life is to contribute to other lives. Be better than those that came before you. Learn and love everything. Don't be a hog and actually give when you can.


    What is the most interesting place you have been, and why?
    I loved Sweden and I loved the cities outside of stockholm. I love swedish culture. The environment is beautiful and so are the people.


    How do you dress or manage your appearance?
    I am extremely inconsistent. I dress either extremely well or look like a complete bum.

    Do you like surprises?
    Yes! But I also like boundaries. (I wish I was good at putting them down)


    Is there anything else important about you that we should know?
    I often feel like I don't have the ability to pull out facts like everyone else can. When I am put on the spot I freak out and can only concentrate on the fact that I am under pressure. I am not calm internally. I like to have my ideas prepared. I like to have solitary time to prepare myself for things. I get nervous easily. I dont like doing things 100% on the fly.
    "Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced" -James Baldwin



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    @Slugabed you def might be right about romanticizing duality lol we do have clear opposition between eachother tho and so there is a lack of trust in eachothers judgement but that has changed a lot over time.

    also sorry i'm posting on here i just don't wanna derail the thread too much
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    P.S. I think e6 is a good fit for me actually


    Edit: Most likely 6w5
    "Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced" -James Baldwin



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    idk what to say other than you sound like a good, cool person. I've always wanted to work in a library, it's a good job for shy unconfident introverts. But sometimes I worry even a library is too outgoing and confident for me. Ha remember this skit everybody:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLxzQ-Qrd7U

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    @Bullets lol ikr I feel like i'm losing hope in this typology stuff
    Thank you You too! Meetups should be a way more common thing in this forum!
    I love it, it's very relaxed. I think every job seems daunting until you do it and then after a few weeks of repetition you realize you can handle it.
    Everything in life is like this, it's like weird exposure therapy for newness.
    I totally suggest you try to get a job at one then! Not sure of your age but colleges hire young people at libraries and everything outside of that becomes pretty competitive. You need at least a Masters to do Library Science. (This is also assuming you're in the US and you're young so disregard if you fall into neither of those things)
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    Questionnaire pretty much affirms ENFx. seems to be more accepted and needed than , you say you need care over aggression, were told to stand up for yourself, take responsibility, but you don't care. You care about comfort and help in daily life matters more? That would match you being laid-back. "I don't like open conflict and don't deal with it well" was also devalued . PoLR for anti-structure, anti-rule, anti-consistency? 4D was apparent with free expression and bubbly-ness, I saw in your thinking about ideas and being different, tolerance, changing your mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    P.S. I think e6 is a good fit for me actually

    Edit: Most likely 6w5
    Ok cool, what made you choose 5 over 7-wing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    I feel like i'm losing hope in this typology stuff
    Run. Get out while you still can.
    Important to note! People who share "indentical" socionics TIMs won't necessarily appear to be very similar, since they have have different backgrounds, experiences, capabilities, genetics, as well as different types in other typological systems (enneagram, instinctual variants, etc.) all of which also have a sway on compatibility and identification. Thus, Socionics type "identicals" won't necessarily be identical i.e. highly similar to each other, and not all people of "dual" types will seem interesting, attractive and appealing to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envisioner View Post
    Run. Get out while you still can.
    He got it

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    Important to note! People who share "indentical" socionics TIMs won't necessarily appear to be very similar, since they have have different backgrounds, experiences, capabilities, genetics, as well as different types in other typological systems (enneagram, instinctual variants, etc.) all of which also have a sway on compatibility and identification. Thus, Socionics type "identicals" won't necessarily be identical i.e. highly similar to each other, and not all people of "dual" types will seem interesting, attractive and appealing to each other.

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    #TypologyPrison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    #TypologyPrison
    Hotel Soc-ion-ics.
    Important to note! People who share "indentical" socionics TIMs won't necessarily appear to be very similar, since they have have different backgrounds, experiences, capabilities, genetics, as well as different types in other typological systems (enneagram, instinctual variants, etc.) all of which also have a sway on compatibility and identification. Thus, Socionics type "identicals" won't necessarily be identical i.e. highly similar to each other, and not all people of "dual" types will seem interesting, attractive and appealing to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envisioner View Post
    Hotel Soc-ion-ics.
    Augusta, singing: Such a lovely place~ (DarkAngelFireWolf69, background vocals: Such a lovely place)

    Stratiyevskaya, with V.I. images in her hands: Such a lovely face

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    @Bullets lol ikr I feel like i'm losing hope in this typology stuff
    Thank you You too! Meetups should be a way more common thing in this forum!
    I love it, it's very relaxed. I think every job seems daunting until you do it and then after a few weeks of repetition you realize you can handle it.
    Everything in life is like this, it's like weird exposure therapy for newness.
    I totally suggest you try to get a job at one then! Not sure of your age but colleges hire young people at libraries and everything outside of that becomes pretty competitive. You need at least a Masters to do Library Science. (This is also assuming you're in the US and you're young so disregard if you're fall into neither of those things)
    I worked at a campus library during college, and I liked it. It's interesting though, thinking back on it. I worked over the summer too, and during that time got to work in various other departments besides the circulation desk where I worked during the school year. The variety was nice, but the very best part was when they'd send me to pick up or deliver something somewhere else on campus. I'd break through the doors and think "FREEEEEDOOOOM" and wish that I could spend all my time going from place to place outdoors instead of being cooped up inside. In many ways it was a good fit for me, and it was great in the winter, but the sun comes out and it starts becoming torture to stay in.

    Anyway, why do you think you're an extrovert? Might you be an introvert instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    @Slugabed you def might be right about romanticizing duality lol we do have clear opposition between eachother tho and so there is a lack of trust in eachothers judgement but that has changed a lot over time.

    also sorry i'm posting on here i just don't wanna derail the thread too much
    Yes, there can be opposition in a lot of relations (not only dual) but tbh a lot of opposition could be manifested in a dual relationship, specially in the first stages (years). Duality is about having other person that is strong where you are weak, it's specially favorable for having success and personal development and it turns almost unbreakable with the time. On the duality description even says that it's hard to spot your dual because of psychological barriers and the relationship is given more in a natural, spontaneous non stereotypical romantic way. So, people who tend to think that duality would be like a Disney movie, and their dual would be like a charming prince, can be unpleasantly surprised when it comes to actually meeting their dual. Duality is a transformational relationship, with real love, and real love is not always what people is looking for (depends on their psychological barriers, health and expectations). If someone is not ready to change, improve and fix themselves, then duality is not for them. The same with people who is not ready to be confronted with their own weaknesses and fears (a dual can be a constant reminder of what you are not), though, it doesn't mean that your dual will confront you, this always occurs in an indirect way.



    I'm going to read your questionnaire, but at first glance it seems delta values. Let me check in detail (BTW I hate typing people, but I'll do an exception since you are really cute and you are bribing me with sweetness).
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    Fwiw there was a pair of best friends a while back who arrived to this forum typing themselves IEE and LSE, and left as EIE and LSI respectively. T'was unefille and idolatrie, again respectively, and you may find their typing threads very instructive (unefille did the bulk of the thread-posting iirc.) Suggested starting point: this thread.

    Also, I know @Slugabed has noted your self-expression to be comparatively sweet (in the Unofficial Member's Picture Thread), but I'd counsel keeping some healthy leeway between comparisons. Could be enneagram differences, could be different life stages, could be relative levels of insecurity (you mentioned a lot of concern about boundaries, and they relate directly to self-confidence imo), could be the squirrels in your loft when you were five; could be many things really.
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    real love
    slugabed about to make me

    fwiw, that's exactly how I feel about duality, and knowing this and seeing your dual run away because they're not ready is heartbreaking, but even then its got that transformational dynamic (for both sides) going on in the background and its beautiful (years, like you said)... it reminds me of what @Adam Strange once said about how this theory is actually a wonderful theory of hope, because it allows you to 1) accept yourself and accept that there's someone for you and 2) accept that its hard and takes time and isn't a disney prince, not right off that bat anyway, which provides strength to persevere in real hope... and finally to accept 3) that it may not work out the way you want, but that's ultimately ok
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    Praise aushra amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    Praise aushra amen
    its true, I have real admiration for her because I feel like her theory is on the level of a medical breakthrough that saves lives

    I feel like its qualitatively different than what EIE's try to do which is what I feel amounts to smoke and mirrors (Fe + Ni), whereas A. created a far more rigorous Ti/Ne structure, and my admiration for her is based on that; but I could see how projection (in the case of a competing EIE) would view it as if it were more EIE bullshit and thus ground perceived admiration from others as nothing more than weakminded followers-of-oprah looking for their cult narrative to provide meaning to their otherwise useless lives. the difference being viewing socionics through the lens of greater than 1D Ti, you see how its actually incredibly substantive, elevating it to a level beyond pure ideology (although it is far from being finished and pure science--it has the base stuff required to someday perhaps become such an article of knowledge [true justified belief]).

    I feel like EIE's perceive all "meaning" fundamentally as bullshit that originated in the head of a competing EIE so they reserve the right to attack it at its source and otherwise be incredibly cynical in general. even when not so aggressive they fundamentally act as if it is within their rights to adjust its course or otherwise manipulate and modify what other's hold dear for the aforementioned reasons, even though they consider this "benevolent" for the reason that it originated in them

    a lot of this has to do with EIE's real inability to think and appreciate Ti beyond a 1d caricature as well as devalued Te that manifests mainly as machiavellian ambition over real concern for facts (facts are useful only inasmuch as they help discern whether the dictates are being obeyed or not--i.e. "is the mind control working?" not "maybe I should inform my worldview"), hence the difference between A. Augustinavičiūtė and Oprah is lost on them
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    @Slugabed

    While I feel very awkward trying to prove my relationship on the internet, I'll try anyway lol.
    The first year we were together was the most confusing. We have been together for two years now and I'm just starting to understand him.
    -He is always telling me to "chill" and after awhile..I did. It was incredibly annoying and I felt as though I was losing myself in the first year of us being together. I started to go down a really dark path and took his outward sternness very seriously. We weren't goofy or silly together and he pushed me to do things like clean my room, etc and all of things that got me really annoyed on a daily basis. He gets really excited to do his laundry lol . I kept wondering what made me come back to him when he seemed to shut down a lot of the things I said/wanted to do. I took it really personally and retreated further into myself. This was also added to the fact that he made me more introverted bc we would hang out a lot inside and not experience new things (which killed me). I really morphed into him that first year. I was depressed and knew I wasn't happy so I would continuously try to break up with him and he just kept fighting for me. There was literally no reason I had to think that he enjoyed spending time with me because it would never show on his face and we weren't experiencing things together; so I got very caught up in this idea of what a relationship should be, yet he always went against it and seemed to just do what he wanted to do and I gave in to it.

    Time past and I, naturally, got really annoyed that he was just into doing what he wanted (staying home and researching topics while I sat with him and was on my computer). I started hating myself and lost a lot of the possibilities in my head that were once there. I hated him, too, because I was idolizing him instead of realizing how great I am. It was a really rough year and a half and I kept fighting "us" as a couple practically the entire time. We fought and disagreed about nearly everything, yet both of us wanted peace. I would get more anxious because he was so calm. I would tell him about all of these implications and he would ignore me, only to realize I was right down the road.

    Then a year and a half hit. We broke up and had space. I started going to therapy bc I didn't know who I was anymore. I hated him because he was everything I'm not. He is logically intelligent, very detailed, very calm about everything. I think I had the same effect on him, which is why he often shut down the "new opportunities/possibilities" I would offer. We essentially didn't trust the other person's judgement and would reject what the other person had to say.

    Spending less and less time together, I found myself supplementing the things he did for me. I would clean more, I would take better care of my things. I took pride in what I had/my appearance in a way that I never had before on my own. I would mimic his behavior to others just so I could know he was still somehow in my life. I missed his behavior intensely.

    I started seeing him again on brief visits, and looked at our interactions very differently. I wasn't threatened by our disagreements and started listening to what he was saying more. I understood where I went wrong and he corrected a lot of his actions as well. We have such an intrinsic connection it feels, yet nothing objectively in common. This and only this is why I jump to duality. He is a computer science major who really likes working on his bike and improving it. If I even touched a bike part I would destroy it. He is my handyman but in the best way possible. He is often in the background and very subtle, yet he has such a strong presence. He notices everything around him; he sees all of the details and tells me about all of things I miss in my environment. He laughs at how I dress because it's offbeat and I laugh too because I know deep down he appreciates that I do things without caring about how society will see me (I used to and have improved a lot on this over the years). My focus is very Fi .. which is why I got so thrown off when people were saying EIE, but then I saw how it could be plausible. I've learned to read into how he reacts to me, because he is always hiding his smile and why he does that isn't even about me. He is an enduring presence that seems to stay still even though I'm running around in 88 different circles.

    Now when we interact we have so much fun. It feels honestly like we are in a movie most of the time. It is the world and then there's us. I do things to make waves and draw attention to myself in public(he used to hate it) and now he not only deals with it but enjoys it. For instance, we are on a train and we have a play-fight. I go to the other side of the train and he looks at me while staying in his seat. I maintain eye-contact and people around us are staring. I am about to go off because it's my stop but I walk over to him and kiss him, then leave without saying a thing. We do things like this all of the time. It is so fun. We are just random and have this constant playful drama. I'm never bored because if I don't initiate things like this, then he will do it. He will chase me up the stairs and I will race him on the streets. I love it.

    We have reached this calm center, somewhere in the middle of both of us. This I cannot describe at all. But while I used to not be able to keep a job, and I used to not focus on a project for more than a few weeks, I am now at the same job I have been at for awhile now, and am calmer and much more appreciative of things. I am less anxious and try to change situations less. I have changed so much for the better and I think I have made him so much more fluid. He told me a month ago that I "showed him the other side" and now he is so much more social, and thoughtful of others. I can visibly see that in him and how he lives his life now.

    Edit: Our relationship got so much better once we lost expectations. We relaxed around each other and this is when the progress happened.
    I have gone from being incredibly depressed to being consistently happier than I have ever been. It just took time.


    Also thank you <3 You are so sweet
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    @Chae
    http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-fo...-6w5-what.html

    This thread.

    "6w7s tend to be somewhat more noticeably nervous and vulnerable with a 7-ish silly side to them
    6w5s tend to be more calculated, withdrawn, often sinister"

    Not that I'm evil, but I am VERY reserved and thoughtful for an extrovert. I am not outwardly vulnerable. I am also much more carefree in how I interact on the forum than IRL. I also am quite dark and find that silly people help me be silly. I don't usually initiate this on my own until I feel safe.

    Also..
    http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-fo...-6w5-when.html
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    When you catch yourself "coldly" interrogating someone in casual discussion.
    When you enjoy dissecting and examining people and things (not necessarily because you don't care about people - you're just genuinely curious and yearn to have it satisfied)."

    and because I considered being an e5 before anyway. Never a 7. I couldn't find that much info on the wing differences though, if you have better info feel free to share



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    @Chae
    http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-fo...-6w5-what.html

    This thread.

    "6w7s tend to be somewhat more noticeably nervous and vulnerable with a 7-ish silly side to them
    6w5s tend to be more calculated, withdrawn, often sinister"

    Not that I'm evil, but I am VERY reserved and thoughtful for an extrovert. I am not outwardly vulnerable. I am also much more carefree in how I interact on the forum than IRL. I also am quite dark and find that silly people help me be silly. I don't usually initiate this on my own until I feel safe.

    Also..
    http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-fo...-6w5-when.html
    "
    When you catch yourself "coldly" interrogating someone in casual discussion.
    When you enjoy dissecting and examining people and things (not necessarily because you don't care about people - you're just genuinely curious and yearn to have it satisfied)."

    and because I considered being an e5 before anyway. Never a 7. I couldn't find that much info on the wing differences though, if you have better info feel free to share

    I remember your first questionnaire where your knowledge quest seemed very pronounced. Is it still true to what you think now? 5 would lend a reclusive drive to observe from afar, 7 goes right into the fun/away from the pain. The description of yours is good since it shows how 6 and 7 work together on a way more anxious level. 5 is reserved and thoughtful as you elaborated so it seems adequate. Evil applied to sinister It merely states the mood that comes across as 5 retreats and researches, not embracing 7's optimistic outlook but an analytical mind. You stated something in the money thread that resembled this mentality a lot, all while paired with 6's distrust. Super good

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    @squark at this point, i'd see anything as plausible. I genuinely saw maybe IEI for awhile. No matter what I am, I SUCK at Se.
    Oooh yeah, during the summer it's brutal. Working anywhere in the summer is brutal when you could be outside.
    Lololol I totally get that, it just breaks up the day too! My job does become very repetitive but I'd take that over a stressful job any day. I wouldn't mind if I didn't have to worry about classes but while I'm in school a boring af job works pretty well.
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    @GuavaDrunk for sure. Both my parents are Fe users, though, and they both think I can be extremely cold outwardly. They often get mad bc I look very stoic, yet I find that I feel things and internalize things on a much deeper level.
    My mom will say things to me that hurt me but to her they're just words. She is an IEI. We have a ton in common but I have to admit I find how she sees things/ takes things too lightly most of the time.

    My sister is an LIE and I am the only one in my immediate family that understands her motivations without any issues.
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    @Chae I am much more of a spectator than a doer. I feel like I am watching things happen around me and i am just processing it all. When people require my responses and I am caught off guard they often think I am not listening or that I am spaced-out. I do not seek fun lol (that sounds terrible hahhaha) but I am dry af. I love going to therapy so I can deal with my issues bc I know I will be better for years to come. I don't have an actively fun life, I have quite an introverted lifestyle but I can befriend anyone and make friends easily, I just generally don't keep a lot of friendships until I know they are worth keeping. I am super analytical at times. I know how to maneuver things and situations quite well because I think a lot about it.
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    @Bertrand @lungs Can you guys explain? lol I didn't follow that
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    @Chae I am much more of a spectator than a doer. I feel like I am watching things happen around me and i am just processing it all. When people require my responses and I am caught off guard they often think I am not listening or that I am spaced-out. I do not seek fun lol (that sounds terrible hahhaha) but I am dry af. I love going to therapy so I can deal with my issues bc I know I will be better from years to come. I don't have an actively fun life, I have quite an introverted lifestyle but I can befriend anyone and make friends easily, I just generally don't keep a lot of friendships until I know they are worth keeping. I am super analytical at times. I know how to maneuver things and situations quite well because I think a lot about it.
    Yep, 5 way over 7. The instinctual subtype would be the same as we discussed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    @Bertrand @lungs Can you guys explain? lol I didn't follow that
    I'm just ranting about the percieved beta-influenced implications in lungs' post, you can ignore it. I have no idea what type you are, but since I kind of like you I tend to think you're not beta (I feel like lungs' comment was more beta than anything you yourself have posted to date--I really don't think you're EIE unless all your naivete is some kind of deep "act" with some imperceptible end state in mind, and I don't get that vibe)

    actively loving therapy is a delta thing though. the problem is its hard for me to judge whether you mean it straightforwardly or you mean it because under the circumstances it seemed liked the "right" thing to say--the difference between Te and Fe "pure factual conveyance grounded in the sincere self (Fi)" or "attempt to provide the perceived want (Fe)"

    you have to go one layer deeper than just providing little snippets on your behavior and try to penetrate to the underlying dynamics as to why that behavior is manifesting in the way it is... it seems like you're trying but it still gets muddied by the myriad of possible interpretations of any given snippet

    the best way to know how to do that is understand the underlying theory so you can articulate your statements with precision informed by their definition and structural place in the system. then when you say something it should be far less ambiguous (of course at that point you can make up your own mind about what type you are). fundamentally, asking someone else to type you is difficult because by not knowing what type you are you are likewise ignorant to what your statements in the context of typology mean and are thus highly vulnerable to projection on the part of the "typologist"--true experts can ameliorate this, but forums users--not so much. I know I project a lot (even I was thinking you are ESI, etc)
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    @Chae ahhh i just reread through everything.. I don't think we got to instinctuals. I don't even understand them quite well lol
    I think I am the self preservation one though first
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    @Betrand I don't even mean to sound naive LOL
    I don't mean to sound anything. I don't want to sound rude but I don't say things to "provide a perceived want". That sounds terrible.
    I am honest and hope that things progress from there.

    Yeah I know... that's the problem. I can see how it could be from many different motivations and have a hard time just choosing one.
    My only main motivation that stays true over time is that I want to be myself and let others be themselves. I want to be a safe haven for people to just talk about what they want to talk about. I want to be able to zone out and contemplate my motivations. I want things to be idyllic but then reality sinks in and it's not so I freak out and leave situations. Those are constants.

    But yes... I really do love going to therapy. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it.
    Wouldn't it be so counterproductive to give disingenuous material in a typing forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    its true, I have real admiration for her because I feel like her theory is on the level of a medical breakthrough that saves lives

    I feel like its qualitatively different than what EIE's try to do which is what I feel amounts to smoke and mirrors (Fe + Ni), whereas A. created a far more rigorous Ti/Ne structure, and my admiration for her is based on that; but I could see how projection (in the case of a competing EIE) would view it as if it were more EIE bullshit and thus ground perceived admiration from others as nothing more than weakminded followers-of-oprah looking for their cult narrative to provide meaning to their otherwise useless lives. the difference being viewing socionics through the lens of greater than 1D Ti, you see how its actually incredibly substantive, elevating it to a level beyond pure ideology (although it is far from being finished and pure science--it has the base stuff required to someday perhaps become such an article of knowledge [true justified belief]).

    I feel like EIE's perceive all "meaning" fundamentally as bullshit that originated in the head of a competing EIE so they reserve the right to attack it at its source and otherwise be incredibly cynical in general. even when not so aggressive they fundamentally act as if it is within their rights to adjust its course or otherwise manipulate and modify what other's hold dear for the aforementioned reasons, even though they consider this "benevolent" for the reason that it originated in them

    a lot of this has to do with EIE's real inability to think and appreciate Ti beyond a 1d caricature as well as devalued Te that manifests mainly as machiavellian ambition over real concern for facts (facts are useful only inasmuch as they help discern whether dictates are being followed or not--i.e. "is the mind control working?" not "maybe I should inform my worldview"), hence the difference between A. Augustinavičiūtė and Oprah is lost on them
    It used to be that gammas on the forum were known for their criticisms of socionics orthodoxy, but most of them left and trends in thought about what the types are like change often over the years, as people come and go.

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    fwiw I do really think you're an EIE, but probably with a well-developed introverted side. i almost considered IEI for you for a while looking at some of your photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    @Betrand I don't even mean to sound naive LOL
    I don't mean to sound anything. I don't want to sound rude but I don't say things to "provide a perceived want". That sounds terrible.
    I am honest and hope that things progress from there.

    Yeah I know... that's the problem. I can see how it could be from many different motivations and have a hard time just choosing one.
    My only main motivation that stays true over time is that I want to be myself and let others be themselves. I want to be a safe haven for people to just talk about what they want to talk about. I want to be able to zone out and contemplate my motivations. I want things to be idyllic but then reality sinks in and it's not so I freak out and leave situations. Those are constants.

    But yes... I really do love going to therapy. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it.
    Wouldn't it be so counterproductive to give disingenuous material in a typing forum?
    yes it would... based on this i know you're Fi valuing, and "leaving the situation" is generally a Se response to something, I know I walk out on situations I know are too far gone. Also you give off rationality which is Fi lead (IxE would be more likely to overlook contradictions in the form of "counterproductiveness"). This leaves me with ExI. It really goes to: do you occasionally take "big" chances despite the fact they scare you on some level. to me, that is ESI, whereas EII is more likely to arrange things in such a way that the need for such risk taking never arises. In other words, ESI would fight someone if they had to. EII would come to an understanding as to why such a thing is not required. its the difference between taking direct action in the situation via coming to a broader understanding of the situation that in turn does not (most likely) require direct action.

    I want to distinguish "walking away" as being Se or lack of Se, which is context-dependent. An EII would "walk away" from a situation that an ESI would physically prosecute, and an ESI would walk away from a situation a EII would stick around and try to make peace with, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    It used to be that gammas on the forum were known for their criticisms of socionics orthodoxy, but most of them left and trends in thought about what the types are like change often over the years, as people come and go.
    yeah I'm sure it was more substantive though and less Fe

    in fact what you're doing right now by implication is very EIE

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    oh btw Bertrand is a batshit ILI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    yeah I'm sure it was more substantive though and less Fe
    Yeah, it was more Te+Ni, which I have less access to. Also I know I can't convince anyone and I just vent into what seems to be the void as I don't usually get these reactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertu View Post
    @Chae ahhh i just reread through everything.. I don't think we got to instinctuals. I don't even understand them quite well lol
    I think I am the self preservation one though first
    Yeah that was the one we had elsewhere, SP/SO to be precise. Back then we tried to decide between SX and SO as the second instinct and you said intensity in bonding and interaction wouldn't suit your behavior, albeit social affiliation, adaption, would. I don't think going by your recent posts there's any social blind spot-ness available as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    Yeah, it was more Te+Ni, which I have less access to. Also I know I can't convince anyone and I just vent into what seems to be the void as I don't usually get these reactions.
    fwiw I'm not saying you're EIE but rather exhibiting EIE (or beta in general) influenced Ni

    it really bugs me to see gamma infected by it, which is an unusual thing to for someone to care about, which is probably why you got my reaction but also why you don't usually get them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    fwiw I'm not saying you're EIE but rather exhibiting EIE (or beta in general) influenced Ni

    it really bugs me to see gamma infected by it, which is unusual
    Cool - im definitely not eie, but I am more receptive to beta ni than the average gamma and have been typed iei before, so you're not in left field. I don't see my relationship to my beta family as so distinctly negative as you've described yours, which im sure has some influence.

    Sorry for the derail, vertu. I always liked iee for you and I'm not good at changing my opinion quickly or with the aid of typing threads. If my perception changes and you're still in the market for opinions, I'll let you know.

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    good luck on the exam vertu! (_)

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