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    Some version of lyrics:

    "Or are you both?
    And what do you lust after?
    How can such a thing as lust even be,
    When it is provable that you are nothing but a temporary agglomeration of atoms.
    Wavelengths of energy, as it were.
    Though this moment has this form, but not for long,
    And is not even fully present in this form.
    For do you not think?
    And in thinking, do you not think of places?
    Am I then to think these places of which you think are... thought in your head or are they in your head?
    Or are they somewhere else?
    In thinking of them, do you see them?
    In seeing of them, are they real?
    If they are not real, will you then say that what you see before you now is more or less real, therefore you only know it by the seeing?
    Is that not so?
    Yes, I thought as much.

    Because I would submit to you, my friend, that you are surrounded by allegory.

    All of this is allegory.
    All of it.

    All of it.

    This is allegory. This flesh."

    "Inasmuch as it is nothing but pure communicability, every face, even the most noble and beautiful, is always suspended on the edge of an abyss"

    They asked the fox, "Who's your witness?" The fox said, "My tail!"

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    Sometimes LIEs are very macho and sometimes they are geeky.

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    Based on two LIE's who I know well irl:


    Dear LIE...
    - your over the top optimism creates opportunities that other people need
    - you apologize when you were rude
    - you want to talk about problems. All the frigging time. To solve them.
    - you're too nice sometimes...often...keep Your gifts I don't need them
    - you read. That's cool...nerd
    - you trust me with keys to your home. Why... When did that happen
    - you challenge authority
    - you're not mad that I accidentally punched you in the face. I'm so sorry...wait how could you forget that? Why are you so forgetful?
    - have good advice that you can back up with life experience
    - you never talk shit about other people
    - you believe in love. Adorable.
    - ...did I mention that you're too nice. Like no thanks I don't need a new laptop. Mine is still working and the noises are just special features ...Oh Look you bought a new laptop for me (for work but still...)
    - you're funny because you have the emotional intelligence of a toaster yet you're always busy helping other people with stuff, invite people to house parties.You are a good big brother and a good friend.
    - I like your dog. She is always happy and healthy and that means you're a nice person
    - you never expect anything back...wth dude. The universe is out of balance and it's your fault
    - thanks for the chocolate santa claus coworker gift
    - I've never seen anyone being so happy for receiving a chocolate easter bunny. You're welcome. Of course I'm returning the favor duh
    - thanks for trying to be sensitive, it's the thought that counts
    - you're pretty, idiot
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    @Cosmic Teapot Wow I thought you hated us! but you know your stuff

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    LIEs make good architects and mechanical engineers. They are unique in their ability for abstraction, while also being highly practical.

    They are outgoing and friendly and easy to talk to. They tell cute stories but also listen to others. They are good sports about being insulted or insulting others - they can brush it off, and they can also apologize.

    I guess a more interesting question would be, what are the weaknesses of LIE, what happens if you make an enemy of them? How does an unstable LIE behave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolong View Post
    I guess a more interesting question would be, what are the weaknesses of LIE, what happens if you make an enemy of them? How does an unstable LIE behave?
    That is three questions.

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    Many moons ago, I introduced my girlfriend to a LIE classmate when we met at a pub. Although the LIE could be very charming, he was the very opposite of popular among the students; I was the closest thing to a friend that he had. Like most LIE, he was rather competitive and managed to seduce her within the week. Once he slept with her, he dumped her so she unsuccessfully tried to get back with me. I was so appreciative that the LIE revealed the true character of my girlfriend but I never saw the LIE again.

    a.k.a. I/O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    Many moons ago, I introduced my girlfriend to a LIE classmate when we met at a pub. Although the LIE could be very charming, he was the very opposite of popular among the students; I was the closest thing to a friend that he had. Like most LIE, he was rather competitive and managed to seduce her within the week. Once he slept with her, he dumped her so she unsuccessfully tried to get back with me. I was so appreciative that the LIE revealed the true character of my girlfriend but I never saw the LIE again.

    a.k.a. I/O
    to be honest that doesn't sound typical, it seems to be more SEE-ish behavior...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    to be honest that doesn't sound typical, it seems to be more SEE-ish behavior...
    He definitely wasn't SEE; he was too focused, a driven achiever and the leader of every class-project. Morality and ethics are not type specific so SEE are not normally that way either.

    a.k.a. I/O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    He definitely wasn't SEE; he was too focused, a driven achiever and the leader of every class-project. Morality and ethics are not type specific so SEE are not normally that way either.

    a.k.a. I/O
    Okay, so if it's not type specific why are you posting this in a LIE appreciation thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Okay, so if it's not type specific why are you posting this in a LIE appreciation thread?
    He was LIE and I really appreciated what he did for me. If he did not have that LIE charm, I might have committed to someone who would have betrayed me at a later time - better to find out sooner than later.

    a.k.a. I/O

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    Someone mentioned me here(?) in a deleted post. I feel I've been invited to party without ever receiving the address and time. I thought the days where I'm not cool enough ended when I graduated from school. Damn you, unknown user *sulks in corner*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Teapot View Post
    Someone mentioned me here(?) in a deleted post. I feel I've been invited to party without ever receiving the address and time. I thought the days where I'm not cool enough ended when I graduated from school. Damn you, unknown user *sulks in corner*
    Well, now that you ask...
    It was me, I was telling you that you seem in love with the LIE you wrote that stuff about.

    Then I figured out that you could feel offended or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your caregiver in turn View Post
    Well, now that you ask...
    It was me, I was telling you that you seem in love with the LIE you wrote that stuff about.

    Then I figured out that you could feel offended or something.
    Aww lol thank you I actually had feelings for a LIE but that was long ago. As long as we're not too close and don't spent too much time together I can't help but like them.

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    I could easily write an uncovered profile for this type too

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasp View Post
    I could easily write an uncovered profile for this type too
    do it

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    Important to note! People who share "indentical" socionics TIMs won't necessarily appear to be very similar, since they have have different backgrounds, experiences, capabilities, genetics, as well as different types in other typological systems (enneagram, instinctual variants, etc.) all of which also have a sway on compatibility and identification. Thus, Socionics type "identicals" won't necessarily be identical i.e. highly similar to each other, and not all people of "dual" types will seem interesting, attractive and appealing to each other.

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    sounds like something written by an EIE or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    sounds like something written by an EIE or something
    The Onion.

    I wasn't sure if it was meant to be funny or something, til' I realized the source of the article.

    My first impression: author sounds like a psychopath.

    Actually, it's making fun of the MBTI ENTJ descriptions.

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    LIE is the best type because they make the most money.

    At the end of the day that's what the purpose of the type is. To keep the person alive and prosperous.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    LIE is the best type because they make the most money.

    At the end of the day that's what the purpose of the type is. To keep the person alive and prosperous.
    that s more like an esi purpose....

    LIEs are ENxx types and their ultimate purpose is still creative realization in the intellectual and physical realm
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    that s more like an esi purpose....

    LIEs are ENxx types and their ultimate purpose is still creative realization in the intellectual and physical realm
    I think what they meant was that since LIEs make the most money, and that a person's type is there to ensure survival in some form or another, therefore LIE is the best type to be since that is the purpose of having a type. (what Tallmo meant)

    My personal opinion though, is that making money isn't the sole purpose of a person's type, nor of life even.

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    Every LIE I have ever met has this ability to defend me right off the bat. I feel very protected and defended by them.
    IME they are ALWAYS willing to stick up for who they sympathize with. It's even better because I know they aren't even directly defending me out of loyalty or any emotional standpoint, but because they actually see my side. In my case, they can always tell I suck at sticking up for myself and without fail they will talk for me, explain my views to people, etc. It's the most amazing thing, and they just do it naturally.
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    I can't speak for every LIE but my coworker falls in this category (LIE-Ni) and she's pretty amazing

    she pointed out that I have a tendency to rationalize my feelings to myself which results in me framing my feelings like I might frame an argument, like I'm afraid that at some point I'll be shot down because my feelings are wrong, so I waste a lot of time searching for loopholes in my self-expression, then I try to rationalize each individual feeling to ensure that my feelings make sense to other people, essentially I have a bad habit of sacrificing emotional authenticity for coherency, so I almost never feel a sense of cathartic release. I've always known that about myself but I was still surprised that she picked up on it as quickly as she did because it's probably the main reason why I make jokes out of my feelings. she's an extremely insightful individual but she plays it down like crazy unless she feels it's necessary to share her perspective, she's modest but she isn't self-defeating. I just think she has a tendency to let her feelings get out of hand, which isn't bad in and of itself, except that sometimes she becomes vindictive in a way that actually is self-defeating.

    most of the time we're just irl memeing with each other but sometimes we have serious conversations and when it happens it's always a pleasant surprise

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasp View Post
    she pointed out that I have a tendency to rationalize my feelings to myself which results in me framing my feelings like I might frame an argument, like I'm afraid that at some point I'll be shot down because my feelings are wrong, so I waste a lot of time searching for loopholes in my self-expression, then I try to rationalize each individual feeling to ensure that my feelings make sense to other people, essentially I have a bad habit of sacrificing emotional authenticity for coherency, so I almost never feel a sense of cathartic release.
    Is that necessarily a bad thing though? If people expressed every irrational emotion they felt it would create some problems.

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    I only knew one LIE and he was super funny and spantaneous, did many things at once, he was the most optimistic person I've seen iml, the richest of his friends even though they had same opportunities to be like him. When you see him, you suddenly have this desire to go on a trip with him. I felt that he didn't care about many things except for his projects, which was taking all his time and energy. He was always in good spirits, many people appreciated that in him. He also had this facial expression saying "I know things that you don't know". And he liked ESIs haha, I think he liked their self-righteous, collected, calm, rational nature, it was as if it calmed him down a bit and he in return often cheered them up. I guess ESIs need that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy View Post
    I only knew one LIE and he was super funny and spantaneous, did many things at once, he was the most optimistic person I've seen iml, the richest of his friends even though they had same opportunities to be like him. When you see him, you suddenly have this desire to go on a trip with him. I felt that he didn't care about many things except for his projects, which was taking all his time and energy. He was always in good spirits, many people appreciated that in him. He also had this facial expression saying "I know things that you don't know". And he liked ESIs haha, I think he liked their self-righteous, collected, calm, rational nature, it was as if it calmed him down a bit and he in return often cheered them up. I guess ESIs need that.
    Allright, so, why do some people promote a super-corporate stereotype of LIEs?

    This post describes better the LIEs I know.

    Of course in a big corporate setting they will be more serious but their real personality will still remain like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy View Post
    I only knew one LIE and he was super funny and spantaneous, did many things at once, he was the most optimistic person I've seen iml, the richest of his friends even though they had same opportunities to be like him. When you see him, you suddenly have this desire to go on a trip with him. I felt that he didn't care about many things except for his projects, which was taking all his time and energy. He was always in good spirits, many people appreciated that in him. He also had this facial expression saying "I know things that you don't know". And he liked ESIs haha, I think he liked their self-righteous, collected, calm, rational nature, it was as if it calmed him down a bit and he in return often cheered them up. I guess ESIs need that.
    Bingo.

    LIEs are some of the funniest people too.

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    That sounds like an ESE. LIE are not cheerful like that all the time. They are T base. Are LSI's like that? LIEs are similar to LSIs. A LIE actually is a mix between an LSI and an EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    That sounds like an ESE. LIE are not cheerful like that all the time. They are T base. Are LSI's like that? LIEs are similar to LSIs. A LIE actually is a mix between an LSI and an EII.
    A mi between a LSI and EII is a ESI in the temperament circle.

    ESIs are also look-a-likes to LSIs, whereas EIEs are look-a-like to LIEs. Just to bring you back to reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy View Post
    I only knew one LIE and he was super funny and spantaneous, did many things at once, he was the most optimistic person I've seen iml, the richest of his friends even though they had same opportunities to be like him. When you see him, you suddenly have this desire to go on a trip with him. I felt that he didn't care about many things except for his projects, which was taking all his time and energy. He was always in good spirits, many people appreciated that in him. He also had this facial expression saying "I know things that you don't know". And he liked ESIs haha, I think he liked their self-righteous, collected, calm, rational nature, it was as if it calmed him down a bit and he in return often cheered them up. I guess ESIs need that.
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    A mi between a LSI and EII is a ESI in the temperament circle.

    ESIs are also look-a-likes to LSIs, whereas EIEs are look-a-like to LIEs. Just to bring you back to reality.
    I'm talking about ouward behavior and appereance, no whatever Ti crap (why would this be?) you are citing as reference.

    In fact, the LIE-LSI similarity is the only reason you can go around sporting a LIE typing and nobody calls you out on it. You might fool them, but you are not fooling me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    I'm talking about ouward behavior and appereance, no whatever Ti crap (why would this be?) you are citing as reference.

    In fact, the LIE-LSI similarity is the only reason you can go around sporting a LIE typing and nobody calls you out on it. You might fool them, but you are not fooling me.
    Thinking I´m LSI is absurd, I have a clear sensing polr IRL...

    And yeah no outwardly LSI and LIEs are only similar in their being logical and positivist and resolute, but LSI are introverted statics aristocratic and LIEs are extroverted dynamics democratic, there´s a very big difference in everyday behavior and life concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Thinking I´m LSI is absurd, I have a clear sensing polr IRL...

    And yeah no outwardly LSI and LIEs are only similar in their being logical and positivist and resolute, but LSI are introverted statics aristocratic and LIEs are extroverted dynamics democratic, there´s a very big difference in everyday behavior and life concept.
    More like:

    LSI and LIE are similar in their being logical and Se valuing, but LSIs are introverted, sensing, and Ti valuing while LIEs are extroverted, intuitive, and Te valuing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Teapot View Post
    Dear LIE...
    - your over the top optimism creates opportunities that other people need
    - you want to talk about problems. All the frigging time. To solve them.
    - you're too nice sometimes...often...keep Your gifts I don't need them
    - you read. That's cool...nerd
    - you challenge authority
    - you're not mad that I accidentally punched you in the face. I'm so sorry...wait how could you forget that? Why are you so forgetful?
    - have good advice that you can back up with life experience
    - ...did I mention that you're too nice. Like no thanks I don't need a new laptop. Mine is still working and the noises are just special features ...Oh Look you bought a new laptop for me (for work but still...)
    - you're funny because you have the emotional intelligence of a toaster yet you're always busy helping other people with stuff, invite people to house parties.You are a good big brother and a good friend.
    - you never expect anything back...wth dude. The universe is out of balance and it's your fault
    - thanks for trying to be sensitive, it's the thought that counts
    These ones fit my experience with LIEs...not so sure about the apologizing for being rude though

    Also, LIEs can be very optimistic or very pessimistic, they have creative Ni after all. This is one of those weird holdovers from Augusta that gets repeated everywhere.

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    I think ESE and LIE might carry some resemblance. Super ego types.
    Who dares to say that the guy below does not look like ESE at all?

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    lol I'm not fooled

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    Too bad LIE's aren't my dual, I love 'em!
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    Too bad LIE's aren't my dual, I love 'em!
    The feeling is mutual.

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    Definitely not *all* LIEs, but many LIEs whom I know who are high quality people are kind, sensitive, intelligent, aware and also humble individuals. They're also quite good looking but don't flaunt it, they have a sense of grace to them.

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    My best friend for years is LIE. She is the only LIE I know. She and I live far apart now and haven’t connected in some time, which makes me sad. Now and then I miss her in this very specific way... like a piece of me is gone. (Corny to say.) When we first became friends she began having dreams that someone was attacking me and she would kill them with a knife in the dream. I thought that was quite cool. This LIE I know is very creative — an amazing musician, a beautiful person, independent and confident, extremely bold, and she effortlessly draws people to her. I can’t say I know many of this type but knowing her so well i can say that LIEs are incredible people. I want them in my life; they have a very positive effect on me. But that’s exactly what I’m supposed to think as an ESI, isn’t it?

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    in theory duals can be seen as like your missing other half and thats true, but in reality most people don't like their dual upon meeting them, unless they grew up in dualized families. or at least that's what DarkAngelFireWolf69 says. I agree with him, but a lot of people swear they can identify their duals right off the bat. I know in my case that's not really true. I often wonder whats going on with people for a long time. I know some people I instantly like, but Ive been burned enough to know they're not all duals so I try not to associate immediate rapport with duality. a lot of that is personas (super egos) meeting in a relatively shallow engagement. I think the test of duality is when you close the distance does the relationship get better not worse, and the closing has to be sincere and allow for a degree of vulnerability. I think many people avoid even going to this stage so of course they don't know what duality is really about. I feel like its the comfort of real trust verified through authentic mutual support, where both people are absolutely being themselves and the other person receives it as just what they were looking for

    Erich Fromm:"Love can be themselves and to preserve its integrity. Love is a paradox in which two beings become one and yet remain two. "
    people talk about duality a lot but making that leap to actually verify whether or not you're comfortable with the real person in front of you is I think something different, most people declare victory prematurely--perhaps in the hope that if they declare something to be the case it will turn out that way, but you only need to see how most their relations work out to see how uncommon in practice duality really is. true, people tend to marry their duals at higher than chance rate, but that's usually after many failed prior relations. people are failing more often than succeeding, but the good news is you only need to really succeed once

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