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    There is a pattern between benefactors, They can be very similar in many things. this thread is about IEE and LIE, but I will probably start some others about it.
    have you had any experiences with not mistaking IEE and LIE but finding some odd similarities between them?

    The way they try to be helpful. IEE tells people about the possibilities trying to not make them upset, are less direct than the LIE but tries to help people in a similar manner. it specially matters to the IEE if the person is their friend or not, while for LIE it matters less but LIE cares more about how much they can fix the problem, how important the problem is,how much benefit helping this person will have for them, how much it will cost and how fast the problem can be solved. Both types enjoy helping people very much.
    Both types are very energetic, hate wasting time. LIE hates idle time when they are not learning anything or having new experiences, IEE hates it when he is not "having fun" and are very easily bored.
    and many like these, i will add some later.

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    I feel like in "easy" situations they come off very similar; i.e.: in a lightweight business setting the IEE performs very similarly to LIE and in social situations the LIE is very IEE. I think it has to do with the relative dimensionality of their functions such that until they're pressed to the full measure of their abilities the distinctions between to the two do not fully come out. I know I actually really like this, and I think its why certain types can like these types in low stress environments a lot, because they have a kind of pseudo duality thing going on (I guess I'm really just describing "mirage" relations). The only problem is once shit gets real they come into sharper relief which can be really disappointing if you were really needing support along the lines you expected but failed to receive

    I also think there's an element of enneagram to this all, where your integration looks like someone elses main type, like type ones go to seven which would further make a type one look more classically IEE in a relaxed situation. this is more based on stereotypes (not all IEEs are 7, etc) but theres a kind of energetic vibe certain types tend to hover around and then other types tend to visit and when you're "visiting" someone else's "home" it tends to add another layer of mirage

    a type 1 ILI might look kind of ESI at 4 under stress, etc
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    Could partly explain why my SLI ex married me.

    That, plus I am similar to her LSE father in many ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Could partly explain why my SLI ex married me.

    That, plus I am similar to her LSE father in many ways.

    -Adam "Mistaken for a Dual" Strange
    My SLI sister was always looking for a man who would be able to cheer her up like I can. She would have depressed phases and I would forcefully make her laugh, follow her around, wear funny clothes, just because I felt she was a good person and didn't like seeing her upset and lazy. Finally she married an IEE

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    yes similar interaction style, but I think the energy is quite different
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    Compare Adam & moi, if you're asking for a similarity - the most pronounced one: we are both expressed perverts and love some good infamous ramblings + common sense. There's also a talent we share, lowkey pissing others off while at the same time giving out praise. We also have some enneagram and instinct parallels, maybe that's also notable. Another striking thing, our age difference is among the greatest on the forum but in many interactions, it's like we were born in the same generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Compare Adam & moi, if you're asking for a similarity - the most pronounced one: we are both expressed perverts and love some good infamous ramblings + common sense. There's also a talent we share, lowkey pissing others off while at the same time giving out praise. We also have some enneagram and instinct parallels, maybe that's also notable. Another striking thing, our age difference is among the greatest on the forum but in many interactions, it's like we were born in the same generation.
    At first I thought you were wrong about your type and are an LIE instead of IEE but then realized our differences. IEEs are much more light and colorful than LIE. LIE is a gamma after all. Heavy, serious, all the stereoshit

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    These two types have very different energy, there's not really much similarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    These two types have very different energy, there's not really much similarity
    i think there's a clear similarity in interaction styles during light social situations.

    However yeah LIEs have a heavier kind of energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    i think there's a clear similarity in interaction styles during light social situations.

    However yeah LIEs have a heavier kind of energy.
    Like TONS heavier...
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    IEEs are the "manic pixie dream" version of LIEs.
    "All nations will place their hope in him."
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    They both have a certain "most-est" quality:

    Gender roles and Socionics
    by E. Filatova

    MOST to least masculine types
    :
    +3: SLE, LSI, LIE, LSE, SLI
    +2: ESI, LII, SEE
    +1: ILE, ESE
    =0: ILI
    -1: SEI
    -2: EIE, EII, IEE
    -3: IEI

    MOST to least feminine types:
    +3: SEI, ESE, IEI, EIE, SEE, EII, IEE
    +2: ESI
    +1:
    =0: LSI, ILI, LSE, SLI
    -1: ILE, LII, SLE, LIE
    -2:
    -3:

    From here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-by-E-Filatova
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    They both have a certain "most-est" quality:

    Gender roles and Socionics
    by E. Filatova

    MOST to least masculine types
    :
    +3: SLE, LSI, LIE, LSE, SLI
    +2: ESI, LII, SEE
    +1: ILE, ESE
    =0: ILI
    -1: SEI
    -2: EIE, EII, IEE
    -3: IEI

    MOST to least feminine types:
    +3: SEI, ESE, IEI, EIE, SEE, EII, IEE
    +2: ESI
    +1:
    =0: LSI, ILI, LSE, SLI
    -1: ILE, LII, SLE, LIE
    -2:
    -3:

    From here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-by-E-Filatova
    I certainly don't look similar to ILE or SLI, your argument is invalid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    I certainly don't look similar to ILE or SLI, your argument is invalid
    Different Quadras, different looks!
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Different Quadras, different looks!
    ILE and IEE are also from different quadras and I am wondering why they are similar

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    Technically... u know...







    This speaks for itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Technically... u know...







    This speaks for itself
    Mr Crab is LIE?!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Mr Crab is LIE?!??
    Yes, even with the built-in Gamma stereotype.





    And:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Yes, even with the built-in Gamma stereotype.





    And:

    Oh I don't know about the LIE money stereotype and I don't understand why it is as huge as the ESI obsession with house work. I actually spend a lot on important things, things I use daily should be made of good material and one of them is my clothing, i don't care a lot about how it looks (as long as it looks professional) but it shouldn't bother me or get in my way and not make me sweat. I spend a lot for people who are important for me , give them books and gifts. But I can be called a workaholic in a sense, relating everything to my work and measuring its profits (not just money). I didn't like mr.crab as a child because he was a capitalist, a boss. I don't like to be a capitalist I want to create something by leading people and teaching them to be efficient

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Oh I don't know about the LIE money stereotype and I don't understand why it is as huge as the ESI obsession with house work.
    It's because when you talk with virtually any LIE after 10 min tops they will start to talk about their career and salary (and possibly rudely ask you about yours lol). Always worried about promotions and how much they/others are making and that they still aren't making enough etc. They're the most ambitious and materialistic type ime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Yes, even with the built-in Gamma stereotype.





    And:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Oh I don't know about the LIE money stereotype and I don't understand why it is as huge as the ESI obsession with house work. I actually spend a lot on important things, things I use daily should be made of good material and one of them is my clothing, i don't care a lot about how it looks (as long as it looks professional) but it shouldn't bother me or get in my way and not make me sweat. I spend a lot for people who are important for me , give them books and gifts. But I can be called a workaholic in a sense, relating everything to my work and measuring its profits (not just money). I didn't like mr.crab as a child because he was a capitalist, a boss. I don't like to be a capitalist I want to create something by leading people and teaching them to be efficient
    Now, this is something I can comment on with some knowledge.

    My father is SLI, as is my ex-wife and our son. My ex-wife's sister happens to be her dual, the IEE. (I have always liked and gotten along great with her.)

    My SLI father never made a lot of money, but he HAS a lot of money. He inherited some and invested it conservatively, and with time it has grown to the point where he won't run out of it in his lifetime.
    My SLI ex had about nine months of income debt when I met her, and after our divorce, she now has enough money that she will never run out of it, whether she chooses to work or not.
    My SLI ex's dual EII sister, on the other hand, married a rich guy, divorced him, dated a lawyer but didn't marry him, and is now married to a guy who doesn't have a job and isn't interested in getting one. They live in a small cabin in the woods and basically have nothing. But, she is very chipper and upbeat, and she loves her family members and all the animals in the woods. I like her, too.

    When my SLI son was in Jr. HS, I told him about socionics and duality and how duals have complementary skills, so that where one person is not good at something, the other person excels at it. I then told him to think about his grandpa (my SLI father) and how cheap he is. When he gets a dollar, he never lets it go. He buys used cars. He shops at the cheapest clothing stores. He goes to the grocery store and returns, gloating, that he got this head of cabbage for thirty-five cents. "What a deal!" And yet, the guy is in the top 5% of asset holders. Not income, because he reinvests dividends. Assets. Plus, if you ever ask him about money, you can't get a straight answer out of him. He is evasive AF.
    "Now", I said to my son, "think of your Aunt Rhoda." (the IEE). Why would her dual, grandpa, never talk about how much money he has? Why would he hoard every cent he ever got? Why is he so incredibly cheap, when he has lots of money?"
    My son thought about this for a minute, and then said, "If you gave Aunt Rhoda money, she would spend every cent on food for the cute little squirrels, and then she'd have nothing left for retirement."
    He knew this instinctively when he was in Jr. HS. But then, he is SLI.

    I should mention that my father can be very generous if a family member needs money. He will just write a check for a good cause. He parts with money very, very reluctantly, but he himself has a good heart. I can clearly see that the fundamental function of SLI's is to conserve resources against irresponsible spenders, so they will be available when they are really needed.

    Now, this brings me to @Chae's cartoons. I think Mr. Krab is SLI. Yes, it looks like he worships money. Yes, it looks like he has a lot of it. And on first blush, you might think these are stereotypical LIE characteristics. Certainly, this is probably how Aunt Rhoda views my father.

    BUT, as @Zero pointed out, LIE's will spend money freely and easily on things of good quality which will last, or if, by doing so, the LIE can achieve greater efficiency and savings. LIE's almost never worry that they spent too much on a pair of boots. The SLI will agonize over the loss of two dollars from the painfully-accumulated hoard, the LIE will say "I spent it, it's gone, I'll get more money."

    Now, with respect to the last cartoon, about Mr. Krab paying entry level employees enough to buy single-family homes, I think that could be either SLI or LIE. Both, in my experience, feel that people should be paid as well as we ourselves would like to be paid.

    But the boots. The boots. That is where we differ.

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    I think LIEs have some sort of groovy gear in them. Usually it is in OFF position. It is still very differently directed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    I think LIEs have some sort of groovy gear in them. Usually it is in OFF position. It is still very differently directed.
    No actually routine makes me sick, I look for things that are not noticed and experienced

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    I think LIEs have some sort of groovy gear in them. Usually it is in OFF position. It is still very differently directed.
    Well half of the conscious functions are still N so yeah.
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    I should mention that the IEE's I know are generous to a fault, and want to take care of the less fortunate. Including the squirrels.

    Which makes them very worthy human beings.

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    @Adam Strange you read my mind 100% for the 100th time. Either socionics is magic or we are the same person! Every comment of yours that I read is what has come to my mind at that moment.
    Also I think you can write articles about socionics.

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