We benchmarked him IEI on WSS. He is charismatic/likeable, but in a non-assertive way, full of platitudes, and enjoys older more dominant women. A sort of French Ed Miliband.
I think Nicolas Sarkozy is the LIE.
Does he use here? / valuing for sure, right at the beginning.
I also prefer older ESI who also have Se which may be named "more dominant" men
Beta NF, I would go for EIE.
His emotions and image are too controlled to be LIE.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
updated: EIE 7w8 so/sx
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his background makes me wonder whether he isn't strategy, though this could be a subtype inclination (?)
A very Bill-Clintonesque Frenchman IMO.
This thread is getting more relevant, he just won!
Even if I was quite stunned at the beginning I am convinced WSS is right to type the French president as IEI.
P4 is puzzling: E. Macron's curriculum normally requires well-developed P, but looking more in detail you realize that he progressed more through networking than pure skill, which points towards strong R.
He has great condideration for traditions and historical symbols. His choice to imitate F. Mitterrand with his long walk towards the stage, as well as setting his election party inside Louvre, points towards valued T and F.
When former Premier M. Valls chose to join En marche E. Macron chose not to humiliate him in return (Valls did humiliate Macron at parliament) but just to leave him room so that he would be reelected as MP for his hometown. This illustrâtes L is valued and R subdued (=> Id).
Another element is that the president is rather discreete and likes to "paddle gently on the flow", which matches a rather phlegmatic temperament and points towards T1 and F5.
Id R => Ego E. The only possible type is therefore IEI.
By the way I submit you my typing of other candidates.
Marine Le Pen: ESI [WSS].
François Fillon: ESI as well ("I do not need your love, I do need your support" did he say during the campaign).
Jean-Luc Mélenchon: EIE.
Benoît Hamon: SLI.
"He has great condideration for traditions and historical symbols. His choice to imitate F. Mitterrand with his long walk towards the stage, as well as setting his election party inside Louvre, points towards valued T and F." - With T coming out on top.
"When former Premier M. Valls chose to join En marche E. Macron chose not to humiliate him in return (Valls did humiliate Macron at parliament) but just to leave him room so that he would be reelected as MP for his hometown. This illustrâtes L is valued and R subdued (=> Id)." - Weak/Private F, I can't imagine someone like Trump not throwing punches back.
"Another element is that the president is rather discreete and likes to "paddle gently on the flow", which matches a rather phlegmatic temperament and points towards T1 and F5." - Yep, S3 > S4.
Ni creative, could be EIE.
I'm not sure about Macron though - at first glance he seemed LIE, but EIE makes more sense after longer exposure : ). There's no way he's IEI.
I don't wan't even to begin to type here as my typing are far removed from reality it seems.
Just : damn guys : are you fucking serious when typing Macron as IEI... Ill disclose : I see it as a LSE Normalizing almost dominant, his wife is really Fe oriented but probably still INFJ dominant (look somewhat like a EIE thought but really not sure). Perhaps it's the reverse about DCHN not sure but I'm confident in my typing. Damn. Aside pure typing, other argument can be every critic other ppl make on Macron are classical critic ESTj get at usual (I'm from France I'm following the stuff). Was like I didn't see him while in the campaign, when he was elected I was like "let surprise happen - he seem not a bad guy at all and I had some faith about his program even if I was having some critic, and it was good for my situation when it come to auto-entepreneurship" (didn't had a type at this time didn't gave a fuuck but I already got the LSE feeling and was a bit like wtf when I came aware of it bc I was for Melenchon (SEE) ^^ but I decided to not base my vote on Socionic.). I was impressed as fuck when he became president (investiture) some of his speech was really great. Since he's president I see only good stuff at this time. Let see what happen, things can take a really wrong turn when it come to work law. I'm agreeing with him on liberalism but this kind of stuff is always sensible (note : it's almost more "agreeing about the way he's liberal" in fact Ive the same way to be liberal, kinda liberal worshiper/idealist more than pure liberal like ppl at the origin of liberalism, but I bet he's not aware of it).
Marine le Pen : SLE wich completely failed his campain, thinking she already win the stuff and was at the top of every hierarchie. Not sure of DCNH. The father was dominant subtype imo, she is perhaps Ti subtype (SLE too).
Melenchon : obvious ESFP. Dominant. Winner. He educated ppl about his opinion. Good view on things, I was thinking he was able to let some fresh air/motivation/okay moral stuff passing in France. Potential problem was a bit like MLP, he was thinking at some time that he already win the first turn of elections. I was for him, but after the campain (when he lost first turn) he became far remote to myself and I didn't like it. Was like if he was only about personality worship and trying to stay coherent with previous value he was giving life too, wich he seem to fail to do now. Imo he lost first turn because ppl are unable to listen to their heart, or prefer always negative stuff after having listened to their heart. If real vote was like all real vote intention, second turn would have been Melenchon-Macron. A fucking majority of ppl wanted this in their heart, some voted not from their heart but on the idea all is going wrong/there is no hope and stuff like usual (as this thinking is making inferior ppl feeling strong, I'm not going to lie). (all that speaking for leftist-centrist of course)
Ive hard time to type Benoit Hamon, I was thinking LSI, but LIE is possible too. Idk, his attitude not far remote to a previous LIE I was having as a superior in work. But not sure. He was epic while socialist primary vote, in fact all the primary stuff was epic, Valls wasn't bad too, but imo Hamon was superior in the fact he letted see us a future wich was really good, even if it would be hard to implement. My vote gone for him.
Damn their is no EIE in power, I would really like to have one I'm pretty sure my vote with go for one person of this type.
Jean Lassale : you can't be more LSI than this guy. His humor more LSI than LSI too.
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Prevalence of on is blatant when you look at his recent speeches. The way he decided to twist historical facts when talking about "rafle du Vél' d'Hiv" as done by France reveals that he cares more about empathy with Israel far-right Premier than with actual division of France between France libre, État français and a large majority of French people who at that time did not mind much about politics and Jews, but about how to find food.
His refusal of answering to journalists because "his thought is too complex for media formatting" is quite -backed. He reminds me so my grandfather I typed ILI and who, as teacher, used to answering "there is nothing to understand" to a too embarrassing question by one of his students.
His use of looks pretty immmature but strongly valued, aka super-id. The way he adressed to General de Villiers (head general of French armies) in a kinda "Blast it!" tone points more towards F5 than F6.
I might find further clues for MLP's ESI type but I have no time to do it.
I'll answer for Mélenchon in a further post when I have time to think about it.
Seems EIE (I can understand LIE typing also)
A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
(Jung on Si)
I suspect EIE, I get where LIE is coming from but he clearly values hierarchy and treats people according to their rank in the system, which is the most obvious sign of the EIE type according to Gulenko (aristocratic type).
I had an LSI GF who was constantly trying to determine which one of us was in the superior position, and it was a pain because I don't play that way. I also have an LSI customer who was upset with me for doing or not doing (I can't remember which) something, but then he found out I was older than he was and he said he had more respect for me because of that. Go figure.
ILE-Ti 9w1 sp/so is a pretty easy call....Obama is ESE-Si 9w1 sp/so. FDR/Tony Blair ILE-Ti 3w2 sp/so...Marissa Mayer/Steve Jobs ILE-Ti 3w4 so/sp...Pablo Escobar ILE-Ti 8w7 sx/so...Chapo Guzman ILE-Ti 8w9 sx/so....etc etc
Emmanuel Macron - ESFJ - Hugo
Identical Inter-type Relationship
Seems Alpha. I thought ILE but maybe ESE fits better