My material and personal thoughts on 3 going to 6. Chime in if you like
Chae's 6 Integration Thread
My material and personal thoughts on 3 going to 6. Chime in if you like
Figured out that Beyoncé is a 3.
This article describes how she integrated 6 in Lemonade/Formation:
Beyonce turned many heads with her Super Bowl performance of her new song Formation. I see it as a move from Three to Six.
I’d posit Beyonce as a prime example of Type Three: the Achiever. She’s a success machine. She’s been performing since she was seven, writing her own music since her teens, and topping the charts for more than a decade. Her concerts are full of extensive choreography, and she watches a video recording of each night’s concert, giving herself and her dancers notes.
Threes will relentlessly self-improve. No matter how successful you are, you can always make it bigger.
Some Three-ish quotes from Queen Bey:
“As soon as I accomplish one thing, I just set a higher goal. That’s how I’ve gotten where I am.”
“I wanted to sell a million records, and I sold a million records. I wanted to go platinum; I went platinum. I’ve been working nonstop since I was 15. I don’t even know how to chill out.”
“I love my job. But it’s more than that: I need it.”
Threes identify who they are with what they do. Who am I if I’m not this impressive list of accomplishments? And of course, if you reach the highest highs, then what?
This theme shows up in some other contemporary chronicles of Threes. In the final season of Mad Men, Don Draper’s ad agency is absorbed into the industry’s biggest firm, and Don is assigned the biggest brand in the world: Coca-Cola. He leaves work without warning, and drives across America, seemingly abandoning his prize. The final episode shows him at the Esalen Institute, meditating, sitting with himself, feeling the sadness he’s efficiently tucked away the entire series.
In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Black Widow falls victim to an enchantment that makes her relive memories of her training and conditioning in Russia, with the reveal that she’d been sterilized in order to make her an even more streamlined killing machine. No children, no attachments. But as the story progresses, she wonders who she is when she isn’t on a mission. Is there a person there anymore? What does she want?
Beyonce brought all of her entertainment and business savvy (a common combination with Threes in show business) to her recent Super Bowl performance, debuting the song the day before, and following her performance with an ad for her upcoming world tour.
And the song itself contains some Three-ish declarations of her status as the undisputed queen:
I see it I want it , I stunt, yeah, little hornet
I grind ’til I own it, I twirl on them haters
Albino Alligators, El Camino with the seat low sipping Cuervo with no chaser
Sometimes I go off, I go hard, Get what’s mine, take what’s mine , I’m a star, I’m a star
Cause I slay, slay, I slay, hey, I slay, okay, I slay.
But the more outstanding part of the song is her declaration of her roots. Beyonce grew up in Houston. Her parents were rich, her dad drove a Jaguar. She didn’t come from the ‘hood. But in Formation she puts herself firmly in the camp of Southern African Americans:
My daddy Alabama, Momma Louisiana
You mix that negro with that Creole make a Texas Bamma
I like my baby hair, with baby hair and afros
I like my negro nose with Jackson Five nostrils
Earned all this money but they never take the country out me
I got hot sauce in my bag, swag.
The term “bamma” refers to an unsophisticated Southern Black. She claims the title with pride. She champions kinky hair and big nostrils – rejecting any notion that physical assimilation with whites equals beauty.
The video shows her on a New Orleans police car, sinking into the Mississippi, a reference to Hurricane Katrina and the entrenched social problems in that part of the country. For her Super Bowl performance she costumed herself and her dancers in Black Panthers uniforms, and at one point had them form an X as a nod to Malcolm X.
Beyonce has been the target of a great deal of ring wing rage since then. She doesn’t seem to care. This move was, of course, very deliberate. She could have continued creating music in the style of Single Ladies and Crazy in Love, and it would have been a safer choice to present a familiar hit at the Super Bowl.
But each of us has to ask ourselves – who am I? What do I stand for?
Type Six is the Loyalist, and a healthy Six understands the value of being part of something bigger. Threes can see themselves as independent agents, disconnected from the whole, unfettered by ethnicity, or even relationships. Sixes commit to helping the underdog.
Beyonce has declared herself a proud member of a marginalized group, and has changed public perception of her image forever. As she’s said:
“I’m over being a pop star. I don’t wanna be a hot girl. I wanna be iconic. And I feel like I’ve accomplished a lot. I feel like I’m highly respected, which is more important than any award or any amount of records. And I feel like there comes a point when being a pop star is not enough.”
Beyoncé is very interesting as a 3 because she has all the glamour yet perpetuated her image on the basis of being private. We don't get a real look at her life and she comes out of nowhere. But she's graceful once she makes an appearance. And that's so smart for a 3. Being mysterious yet established as a 3 must be the best feeling, as you can exert such great hype control and it's a dream for marketing if you can play it right. The other artist that makes such waves while keeping somewhat quiet before releases is Kendrick (though he's not a 3). You really feel in control of the industry after that.
Despite that, Lemonade feels like the first real glimpse into her soul. No longer do I feel as if I'm listening to something impersonal, which is my biggest critique of her work up until Lemonade. Finally we get songs full of substance that make politically charged statements and give insight into her relationship and its issues. I feel as though her being to open up "for real" and take some hard stands make me respect this more than her previous work.
Funny how her going to 6 resulted in an artistic peak. Needless to say, loved your post! :]
I'm not sure how related it is to going from 3 to 6, as this isn't inherently 6 (it's more a maturation of a 3 mindset), but Kendrick said on a recent track that there's a difference between accomplishments and astonishments. That's where Beyoncé has grown to.
Yes, that's why I always wonder if she has a 4-wing. It keeps the mystique until coming up with a statement. What do you think, 3w2 or 3w4 for her? My first impression was 2 but idkOriginally Posted by mAAd city
Yes, she no longer sounds 'superficial' (talking about love and all that SX stuff everyone does), Lemonade really went deep and political. I guess it's important for 3s to take a stance once in a while, being all lovey-dovey or polished won't actually help their image but lets them come across as fake. I know that personally when people are wary of me. I can almost smell their "What is she hiding". A lot of my own opinions indeed because I prefer to be sleek rather than minimize my opportunities to appeal.
Artistic peak - yes, very interesting and accurate.
Bey seems to find her path there, it really is an astonishment <3
I'm inclined to say 3w2, but I'm not sure. 3w4 in music seems to take an archetype more similar to Bowie. But her private nature isn't really explained by that. :/ It could be instincts-related, but I usually don't focus on instincts when typing other people, so I'm not exactly sure if sx 3w2 would do what she does. All I know is that she is 3.Yes, that's why I always wonder if she has a 4-wing. It keeps the mystique until coming up with a statement. What do you think, 3w2 or 3w4 for her? My first impression was 2 but idk
I can definitely see that. That lovey-doveyness looks really different from the eyes of certain 3s than it does to most other people.Yes, she no longer sounds 'superficial' (talking about love and all that SX stuff everyone does), Lemonade really went deep and political. I guess it's important for 3s to take a stance once in a while, being all lovey-dovey or polished won't actually help their image but lets them come across as fake. I know that personally when people are wary of me. I can almost smell their "What is she hiding". A lot of my own opinions indeed because I prefer to be sleek rather than minimize my opportunities to appeal.
I do hope it's not literally her peak! I think she can make even better music if she continues on this path!Artistic peak - yes, very interesting and accurate.
Bey seems to find her path there, it really is an astonishment <3[/QUOTE]
She's really good at that kind of commentary. Her 3ish confidence works well while taking a stand.
On a side note, it's cool to contrast her to her sister, who seems very 9 -> 3 to me. She's less showy and more """tasteful"'' (if you can call it that), but shows her stuff in her music.
Yes, or Gaga. They are truly eccentric and aim to break boundaries. 3w2... the mother role performance strikes me as such, just a thought nothing definite. Yes, we don't know if she's motivated by authenticity or helping. I am doubting she's SX, she portrays it but SO-first is also a good shot.I'm inclined to say 3w2, but I'm not sure. 3w4 in music seems to take an archetype more similar to Bowie. But her private nature isn't really explained by that. :/ It could be instincts-related, but I usually don't focus on instincts when typing other people, so I'm not exactly sure if sx 3w2 would do what she does. All I know is that she is 3.
I can definitely see that. That lovey-doveyness looks really different from the eyes of certain 3s than it does to most other people.
I do hope it's not literally her peak! I think she can make even better music if she continues on this path!
Bey seems to find her path there, it really is an astonishment<3
She's really good at that kind of commentary. Her 3ish confidence works well while taking a stand.
On a side note, it's cool to contrast her to her sister, who seems very 9 -> 3 to me. She's less showy and more """tasteful"'' (if you can call it that), but shows her stuff in her music.
She's really good at that kind of commentary. Her 3ish confidence works well while taking a stand.
On a side note, it's cool to contrast her to her sister, who seems very 9 -> 3 to me. She's less showy and more """tasteful"'' (if you can call it that), but shows her stuff in her music
INDEED! 3 projects a wrong image there very often.
Bey WILL go even higher. It's 3's nature. We can both anticipate this so hard omg.
Lmao omg that's perfect. 3 has the influence as well to make this critique. Imagine RiRi trying it - wouldn't work. What do you think her type is? Yes, Solange also has a strong 8-wing
Definitely, it's like supervision - Beyonce is always ahead in the game, although it exhausts her (here, again, integrating 6 helps)
Another famous 6-integration happened with Bowie in his later life, finally doing "real talk" and not only image and creativity (3+4). It made him appear much more (g)rounded.
I think that 3 does well as a politician, as much as a 5. Because they integrate healthy 6 and 8, who make very sound representatives and fighters for the people. As a base, 3 has the achievement drive and public skill, reading what others want, becoming an embodiment of the best qualities. Just like 5 has the knowledge to back up 8. Another politician integration is enneagram 4 going to 1. It sounds odd to have 4 in that role but when they pick up the "suffering" of others and make it moral, structured, fierce, that actually works.
E3 goals:
One important 6 integration lesson is suspecting what's behind the praise of others. Not to trust what gives you acclaim because it could be a castle of glass.
well first I'd recommend finding a 6 in your life or perhaps on a forum and agreeing with everything they say because they're always correct
next buy them chocolate, cookies, and possibly water guns and paint because I wanna try something this weekend
this will put them into the proper mindset to fully examine your 3 problems and provide accurate advice
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Well, barring all of the measures I just suggested for the real answers, I can agree with this.One important 6 integration lesson is suspecting what's behind the praise of others. Not to trust what gives you acclaim because it could be a castle of glass.
Overall 3s can get complacent about accepting intellectual conveniences as truths because they see it all as just a means to an end; "yeah, I'll say I like whatever if it makes the crowd happy". 6s are the opposite, they don't trust anything that they haven't stress-tested and they try to make a 1:1 correspondence of what they say (or at least what they say to themselves if they're liars) and how they feel so that there's no wobbliness. Take a leaf from the 6 book. Your beliefs as a 3 have more value than simple convenience or utility and if you let your beliefs be valuable to you, you'll probably start resolving some of that classic 3 emptiness.
Or at least that's what I suspect.
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
NO HOSTAGES TAKEN
Stephen Colbert dragging all the 3s!!!
"the first step towards confidence is not being afraid to be ugly
once you get over the fear of being unattractive and stop equating beauty with other good things in life (friends, love, happiness) it’s a lot easier to love yourself unconditionally
your job is not to sit around and be pretty and easy on everyone else’s eyes
your job is to do whatever the fuck you want and look however the fuck you want while doing it"
You going to 6 is all that feminist shit. 6s are sjw. These sixes on another forum. lol. You are different sides of the same coin. They thought themselves holy warriors and like protectors of the West against Islam. You are a holy warrior yourself.
Green Day is a 6 band. Same thing. Justice warriors. Rage Against the Machine. Same thing. Punk is 6. Cultures like that. I said before that most skinheads are probably 6s too. lol. Joining a group/culture. Not saying 6s are racist. The anti-racist skinheads they are fighting are 6s too.lol
Do you have the time to listen to me whine
About nothing and everything all at once
I am one of those
Melodramatic fools
Neurotic to the bone
No doubt about it
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid?
Or am I just stoned
Elvis is one of my fav 3s, I've been looking for his integration themes. I think it's basically this, as in just having a change of lyrics, this is very different from his usual agenda:
I don't think he integrated 6 IRL, always sang what he was "prescribed" would be successful. 9 disintegration is much more prominent in his biography where he seeks spiritual and emotional relief by esoterics and drugs.
^^^^^ part of that might also be related to unfulfilledseeking where he tried to create it by himself.
Integrating 6 is like going from Hollywood to Canada.
Performance is integral to 3, 6 doesn't care. 3 incorporating a trait like this is beneficial. Because: minding so much how they come across can make them come across in an unintended manner if you know what I'm saying, it's a paradox. With 6, you know what you get, with 3... not really. That's why independent suspicion > performance for others is a good step.
"As Threes let go of their fears of failure and worthlessness, they start to feel less competitive with others. They relax and find that they feel most valuable while working cooperatively with others toward shared goals and aspirations, like healthy Sixes. They learn to freely offer support and guidance to the people in their lives, but more importantly, they also learn to ask for support when they need it. Threes ordinarily put themselves under such pressure to accomplish their goals with little or no help that it comes as both a surprise and a relief to them that others are happy to help them in their endeavors. In short, Threes learn to trust others and to build lasting bonds with people. They become more selfless and courageous, embodying real qualities of leadership and self-sacrifice. By letting go of their need to outshine others, Threes become truly extraordinary human beings."
- Udit Patel
dat disintegration line to 3 tho
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
Ikr
A 3's mind is occupied with a load of society's career bullshit and "you work, you get it" American Dream mentality. So this is important to realize.
Who are you to compare me with others?
I’m only humanxLive however you want, it’s yours anyway
Stop trying, it’s okay to lose
Waking up. Daily reminder not to take love for granted, or believing everything is as it seems. Betrayal could always happen. But it's part of the show. Which ultimately... has to go on.
"That image in their head... why don't I look like them?"
Basically:
Me @ 3: Hahahaaa I'm better :-)
Me @ 6:
FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!! FUCK THE MEDIA!! FUCK THE RICH!! They don't care about us </3 But I care about u so it's ok. I'll destroy all the peasants who want to hurt you ;~;
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