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    SLE, of course.

    That guy is not going to be happy in a few hours.

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    Yeah, some ST type.

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    What about LSE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    What about LSE?
    Complete ignoring of Si, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Complete ignoring of Si, dude.
    You think so? Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Complete ignoring of Si, dude.
    I have 2 IEI family members who used to compete to see who could eat the hottest peppers. They aren't Si ignoring. Both male.

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    @passenger @Aylen What Adam is essentially trying to say, Si is overall devalued. Couldn't agree more, a few seconds in and I stopped watching because I got uncomfortable with what I saw coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    @passenger @Aylen What Adam is essentially trying to say, Si is devalued.
    They did it with an SLI though. It was a guy thing. My brother in-law was actually the instigator. My mom found it annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    They did it with an SLI though. It was a guy thing. My brother in-law was actually the instigator. My mom found it annoying.
    I'm sceptical. A guy thing = test of courage = Se. What if the SLI you typed is an LSI. What's your mom's actual type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I'm sceptical. A guy thing = test of courage = Se. What if the SLI you typed is an LSI. What's your mom's actual type?
    My mom is LSI and so/sp. My brother in law is SLI and they all used to mess around with each other while drinking beer, in a restaurant. At home she didn't pay much attention to the their boyish games. I have no doubts of their types since I did get a lot of feedback and have known them all a long time.

    My point is that eating a hot pepper is really all we see here and he not even dramatic about like, say, Transkar was in his hot pepper video. I have seen so many videos of people eating hot peppers. They are not all the same types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    My mom is LSI and so/sp. My brother in law is SLI and they all used to mess around with each other while drinking beer, in a restaurant. At home she didn't pay much attention to the their boyish games. I have no doubts of their types since I did get a lot of feedback and have known them all a long time.

    My point is that eating a hot pepper is really all we see here and he not even dramatic about like, say, Transkar was in his hot pepper video. I have seen so many videos of people eating hot peppers. They are not all the same types.
    But similarly clustered. Probably all SP-lasters. Send your brother in law to me for a lecture I haven't seen Transkar there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I'm sceptical. A guy thing = test of courage = Se. What if the SLI you typed is an LSI.
    I can't see an SLI participating in this kind of test of courage. I've seen them challenge themselves to lift a certain amount of weight or lose some weight, but if you suggested eating super hot peppers for the hell of it, they would just give a little laugh, sit back down to rest and ignore you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I'm sceptical. A guy thing = test of courage = Se. What if the SLI you typed is an LSI. What's your mom's actual type?
    Have you ever heard of Mike Rowe (LSE)? What I'm saying is the guy above had no going on, it was all straight-up .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I can't see an SLI participating in this kind of test of courage. I've seen them challenge themselves to lift a certain amount of weight or lose some weight, but if you suggested eating super hot peppers for the hell of it, they would just give a little laugh, sit back down to rest and ignore you.
    Indeed, that's why I begin to think SLE > LSE

    ... and Mike Rowe is actually reasonable in contrast to this noodle in the OP @passenger - it's all about proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    But similarly clustered. Probably all SP-lasters. Send your brother in law to me for a lecture I haven't seen Transkar there
    Heh, you can have him! All we do in the same room is take pokes at each other's beliefs systems. Maybe someone will find that video where you can SEE a big difference between Transkar and this guy. I don't have an idea of his type but I don't think doing stupid things is type related.
    @Adam Strange the SLi instigated it. You have no idea what alcohol and testosterone can lead to if you believe what you said. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Indeed, that's why I begin to think SLE > LSE

    ... and Mike Rowe is actually reasonable in contrast to this noodle in the OP @passenger - it's all about proportion.
    Really? Inseminating a horse is reasonable compared to eating two hot peppers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Heh, you can have him! All we do in the same room is take pokes at each other's beliefs systems. Maybe someone will find that video where you can SEE a big difference between Transkar and this guy. I don't have an idea of his type but I don't think doing stupid things is type related.
    Sure, somebody go ahead. If you give him away that quickly he ain't worth it

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    @Adam Strange the SLi instigated it. You have no idea what alcohol and testosterone can lead to if you believe what you said. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I can't see an SLI participating in this kind of test of courage. I've seen them challenge themselves to lift a certain amount of weight or lose some weight, but if you suggested eating super hot peppers for the hell of it, they would just give a little laugh, sit back down to rest and ignore you.

    Seriously? In your whole life you have never seen an SLI who participated in a test of courage? This is a bit irritating to read since my brother in law was a wrestler until he got permanent knee injury. You are as rigid in your beliefs as he is. Must be the Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Really? Inseminating a horse is reasonable compared to eating two hot peppers?
    Skipped that part, what context?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Skipped that part, what context?
    Well, Mike Rowe was a part of a show called Dirty Jobs in which he did a whole bunch of quite disgusting things. Sure, he was being paid, but obviously he had signed up for it in the same way the guy in the above video did. That isn't Devalued . All the guy is focusing on is the sensations he's receiving, factual information, improving upon the information he is receiving (all ), even outside of eating the pepper. Plus it's a complete waste of time for someone with Valued to take part in. Even SEE/SLEs don't take part in that stuff because it doesn't have anything to do with and making an impact in the real world.

    Look at Joe Rogan for an example of an -Base type. Valued should become clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Seriously? In your whole life you have never seen an SLI who participated in a test of courage? This is a bit irritating to read since my brother in law was a wrestler until he got permanent knee injury. You are as rigid in your beliefs as he is. Must be the Te.
    Well, my SLI father volunteered for military service and he ran out of ammo and his position was overrun and he was fighting hand-to-hand with knives, but I don't think he exactly volunteered for that test of courage. SLI can be very brave and manly, they just don't like to go out of their way to take risks or expend resources if it isn't necessary. I will say, though, he didn't seem to be afraid of much. But he didn't do stupid stuff, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Sure, somebody go ahead. If you give him away that quickly he ain't worth it
    Meh, he is family so I think my sister would be pretty upset if he were to disappear. I am kind of over the harsh way he would respond to me when I didn't see things the way he did. I guess I accept he is here to stay. I don't love him but I like him ok. I loved her first husband, as a brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Well, my SLI father volunteered for military service and he ran out of ammo and his position was overrun and he was fighting hand-to-hand with knives, but I don't think he exactly volunteered for that test of courage. SLI can be very brave and manly, they just don't like to go out of their way to take risks or expend resources if it isn't necessary. I will say, though, he didn't seem to be afraid of much. But he didn't do stupid stuff, either.
    I think of my brother in-law as softly manly. lol He looks manly but he does vibe E9 to some people. I mean I had problems with him specifically based on deep fundamental difference but others would say he is gentle and kind. Too much to go into even if I wanted to. I guess it depends on how you are raised. He was raised in the woods hunting, mudding and shooting rifles. Any type can do stupid things. I bet your dad made a few stupid choices in his life that he never told you. Anyway this is like talking to a brick wall since you drank the kool-aid.

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    Sorry op for going off topic. I hope you are not the guy in the video, looking for a VI. lol Welcome to the 16types of crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I can't see an SLI participating in this kind of test of courage. I've seen them challenge themselves to lift a certain amount of weight or lose some weight, but if you suggested eating super hot peppers for the hell of it, they would just give a little laugh, sit back down to rest and ignore you.
    Look at this video, iJustine dares Bre (SLI) to drink Tabasco as a bet @2:15:


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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Well, Mike Rowe was a part of a show called Dirty Jobs in which he did a whole bunch of quite disgusting things. Sure, he was being paid, but obviously he had signed up for it in the same way the guy in the above video did. That isn't Devalued . All the guy is focusing on is the sensations he's receiving, factual information, improving upon the information he is receiving (all ), even outside of eating the pepper. Plus it's a complete waste of time for someone with Valued to take part in. Even SEE/SLEs don't take part in that stuff because it doesn't have anything to do with and making an impact in the real world.

    Look at Joe Rogan for an example of an -Base type. Valued should become clear.
    That didn't answer the question! Again as Aylen said, staying on topic would be good since we need to type OP not Mister Mike Howdy Rowdy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Seriously? In your whole life you have never seen an SLI who participated in a test of courage? This is a bit irritating to read since my brother in law was a wrestler until he got permanent knee injury. You are as rigid in your beliefs as he is. Must be the Te.
    Lol I think there was a reality show about a permanently injured SLI wrestler.

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    Impulsive, rash, thrill-seeking behavior without any thinking of the consequences or whether it might be a bad idea or bad for one's health -- has to be Se leading, more likely SLE. The idea that this behavior is at all characteristic of Delta STs is ridiculous (your family members do not count as proof).

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Well, Mike Rowe was a part of a show called Dirty Jobs in which he did a whole bunch of quite disgusting things. Sure, he was being paid, but obviously he had signed up for it in the same way the guy in the above video did. That isn't Devalued . All the guy is focusing on is the sensations he's receiving, factual information, improving upon the information he is receiving (all ), even outside of eating the pepper. Plus it's a complete waste of time for someone with Valued to take part in. Even SEE/SLEs don't take part in that stuff because it doesn't have anything to do with and making an impact in the real world.

    Look at Joe Rogan for an example of an -Base type. Valued should become clear.
    You are completely missing the motivation for their actions. It's not just the fact of doing something disgusting that means devalued Si, it's the total impulsive seeking of extreme or potentially dangerous experiences. Mike Rowe's case is totally different: the idea of the show is not for thrill-seeking, it's to expose and learn about people's lifestyles and work "on the ground" (Si, Te, Ne).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    You are completely missing the motivation for their actions. It's not just the fact of doing something disgusting that means devalued Si, it's the total impulsive seeking of extreme or potentially dangerous experiences. Mike Rowe's case is totally different: the idea of the show is not for thrill-seeking, it's to expose and learn about people's lifestyles and work "on the ground" (Si, Te, Ne).
    I would argue that motivations for doing so don't matter. How do you know OP wasn't doing it to show you how hot those peppers were and put himself in the limelight of performing that task? It doesn't matter; until you interview him yourself you won't find out for sure. The action would still be the same, despite the motivations.

    Motivations are a completely different realm of psychology, and can be skewed in any such way. Only the individual him or herself knows their true motivations because they can be rationalized and therefore, producing lies to align the situation with their behavior. There are too many other factors at play for Socionics to account, strictly, for motivations.
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    ok, I watched the video again. There is some Si language there, maybe LSE is plausible. It's a very short video so it's hard to say without more information.

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    Btw I don't think that doing stupid shit is necessarily type related. Actually I think INXjs are the least likely to do something that would cause them harm.

    I mean generally ISTps are a pretty impulsive bunch. I think it's a bit silly to take the Si description of Socionics too far and say that Si egos would never do anything that would cause them discomfort.

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    Ummm.... Si ignoring or? (It's like when my SEE sister started to laugh at my dental issues as I was squirming about possible pain.)

    I'm really averse to that stuff. Of course Si ego would have courage to experiment with their senses to find optimum area. This is just backwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Impulsive, rash, thrill-seeking behavior without any thinking of the consequences or whether it might be a bad idea or bad for one's health -- has to be Se leading, more likely SLE. The idea that this behavior is at all characteristic of Delta STs is ridiculous (your family members do not count as proof).
    I know you watched now and have considered other possibilities but I find it amusing that anyone thinks eating a hot pepper is some death defying feat or shows great courage. I have eaten very hot peppers. I hate them. I mean in your realm of possibilities do you see any way that an Si ego could do this because they can regulate the sensation better than others? I have many examples of this not involving hot peppers but it is pointless to discuss with people so stuck within the confines of theory that they dismiss real world experience.

    I think what is comfortable or uncomfortable is relative... I prefer my food mild but some people love hot spicy things and specifically ask for their food to be hotter. If my family member is not proof that a SLI can enjoy experimenting with hot food so what. There is NO PROOF in socionics.

    Its like half the forum have never interacted with actual human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Yeah, I don't see how a hot pepper challenge would rule out Si ego.

    Look at sniperwolf for instance. She self types as ISTP in MBTI (possible SLI) and she is always doing these weird challenges.

    lol, you said she was ILE before. She's not, she's Gamma SF. Which just goes to prove my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I know you watched now and have considered other possibilities but I find it amusing that anyone thinks eating a hot pepper is some death defying feat or shows great courage. I have eaten very hot peppers. I hate them. I mean in your realm of possibilities do you see any way that an Si ego could do this because they can regulate the sensation better than others?
    You seem to have completely missed my point about motivation.

    If we're talking about real life experiences, I had an ILE friend who was into trying things like this. The motivations for this have more to do with Se and Ne potentially (seeking novelty and new experiences rather than intensity per se). So I could maybe see an LSE with mobilizing Ne and demonstrative Se doing it. The idea that it is merely "possible" is irrelevant -- we're talking about probabilities here. Motivations tell you what people are likely to do.

    I have many examples of this not involving hot peppers but it is pointless to discuss with people so stuck within the confines of theory that they dismiss real world experience.
    They may dismiss your real world experiences because they have no access to the people you're referring to and don't automatically assume that you have typed them correctly. This is entirely reasonable. (And no, I don't expect anyone to take the ILE example above as a fact either, it's just to show that my view is more nuanced than you are suggesting.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    You seem to have completely missed my point about motivation.

    If we're talking about real life experiences, I had an ILE friend who was into trying things like this. The motivations for this have more to do with Se and Ne potentially (seeking novelty and new experiences rather than intensity per se). So I could maybe see an LSE with mobilizing Ne and demonstrative Se doing it. The idea that it is merely "possible" is irrelevant -- we're talking about probabilities here. Motivations tell you what people are likely to do.

    They may dismiss your real world experiences because they have no access to the people you're referring to and don't automatically assume that you have typed them correctly. This is entirely reasonable. (And no, I don't expect anyone to take the ILE example above as a fact either, it's just to show that my view is more nuanced than you are suggesting.)
    That's the thing, you don't know their motivation without asking. Some might have thought it was to show his courage to the younger boys. Maybe it was a male bonding experience. Maybe too much alcohol. Too many variables, when it comes to motivation, to say that an Si ego would not eat a hot pepper or even cliff dive. I personally would not cliff dive because my Si cringes at the idea of free falling. My ESE sister goes cliff diving and parasailing. No amount of Se would get me to do either. :/

    Theoretically the person described below, dual or not, could get an SLI to try something "crazy"?

    SLIs can tend towards an overly bland and conservative lifestyle. They often lack spontaneity and may exhibit the sentiment that something is missing and that little in their lives is novel and interesting. They appreciate people who exhibit a well-developed imagination, spontaneity, and new ideas. Such people often broaden the SLI's perspectives and give them a myriad of new experiences to draw upon. They are often recruited as willing collaborators into the constant unusual pursuits of IEEs.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    That's the thing, you don't know their motivation without asking. Some might have thought it was to show his courage to the younger boys. Maybe it was a male bonding experience. Maybe too much alcohol. Too many variables, when it comes to motivation, to say that an Si ego would not eat a hot pepper or even cliff dive. I personally would not cliff dive because my Si cringes at the idea of free falling. My ESE sister goes cliff diving and parasailing. No amount of Se would get me to do either. :/
    First of all, I didn't say that an Si ego type would not eat a hot pepper. But do SLIs (for example) spontaneously do painful or adrenaline-inducing things of their own accord? No. Like you say, your "Si cringes at the idea" of doing dangerous things.

    It's generally absurd to say that you can't tell people's motivations from their actions (at least over the long term). Certain actions only have a few possible motivations (again, especially when someone does something completely unprompted and which isn't demanded by, or normal to the situation).

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    I didn't know much about her then & it's possible to change my opinion. Why is she Gamma SF? I think it's safe to rule out SEE.
    I'd rather not derail the thread but I can make an argument in the Youtube thread if you want.

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    I would have thought SLIs as the rather impulsive daredevil types...

    Btw:

    Quote Originally Posted by SLI profile by DarkAngelFireWolf69
    Loves thrilling experiences which he attains by a variety of ways: active vacations, fast driving, etc. The record for thrills was set by Grigory Rasputin, who, due to this trait which was exaggerated in him, became a historical figure.
    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...ile_by_DarkAngelFireWolf69

    Quote Originally Posted by SLI by Stratiyevskaya
    He values natural beauty and sharp, thrilling experiences and sensations.
    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...Stratiyevskaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    First of all, I didn't say that an Si ego type would not eat a hot pepper. But do SLIs (for example) spontaneously do painful or adrenaline-inducing things of their own accord? No. Like you say, your "Si cringes at the idea" of doing dangerous things.

    It's generally absurd to say that you can't tell people's motivations from their actions (at least over the long term). Certain actions only have a few possible motivations (again, especially when someone does something completely unprompted and which isn't demanded by, or normal to the situation).
    I know you didn't say it like that but it was pretty much implied in some of the responses in this thread. I probably should have been more specific with you but the idea was still floating in my head. You believe that eating the hot pepper is a painful thing but I am willing to bet it is not painful to everyone. What one person considers pain another may consider pleasure.

    My Si is devalued and it cringes at doing some things like free falling. I have done far more dangerous things than eating a hot pepper or cliff diving. In this thread people specifically said my IEI family members could eat the hot peppers due to devalued Si. I went on to tell them that an SLI was instigating. He was drunk at the time. I didn't want to get into the specifics but it does change things a bit to have that bit of knowledge? I have an aversion to some sensations. Burning my tongue is one of them. So 2 out of 3 IEI enjoyed the game. I am sure you could not guess the motivations just on the information I have given. I was also just comparing myself to an Si ego, my sister, who enjoys those rushes. She values Si.

    You do realize that alcohol can lower inhibitions in any type? So it could also give courage where there was none before. I have no idea the type of person in video, ftr. I don't care either (sorry if it is actually you op). The SLE typing just seemed to be thrown out without any depth of thought.

    What I really want to say is, people are way more complex than the theory. I am done with this, for now, since I am not gaining anything new, or enlightening, from it today.

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