Would appreciate some feedback about my type :) (Questionnaire Video & Unrelated Video)

[niffer]

@mAAd city Generally I get the impression you don't need to worry as much as you do. You can just be yourself!

[mAAd city]

@niffer

Yeah you're right, friend. I just have more trouble with that than one probably should. Thanks for humoring me throughout all of this and responding to my probably inane questions!
@Adam Strange

My name is the name of my favorite song. I've had it on blast a ton recently, as I've been very hyped for the artist's new album that's supposed to come out on Friday.

Thanks for those links, too. I'll chew through them!

It's nice to see that someone can relate. Honestly my childhood was pretty good from what I remember, so I don't know where the succeeding complex is from. I'm probably insecure about being good at things because all throughout school I was surrounded by amazing people... So when I don't have a natural knack for something I just drop it and try and find a niche elsewhere. That's partly why I stuck with languages... I was one of the better people in class at that subject. I do need to learn to pretend to be confident, it's tough though.

Like I said to the other person, thanks for humoring me. Very kind of you!

[Adam Strange]

@niffer

Yeah you're right, friend. I just have more trouble with that than one probably should. Thanks for humoring me throughout all of this and responding to my probably inane questions!
@Adam Strange

My name is the name of my favorite song. I've had it on blast a ton recently, as I've been very hyped for the artist's new album that's supposed to come out on Friday.

Thanks for those links, too. I'll chew through them!

It's nice to see that someone can relate. Honestly my childhood was pretty good from what I remember, so I don't know where the succeeding complex is from. I'm probably insecure about being good at things because all throughout school I was surrounded by amazing people... So when I don't have a natural knack for something I just drop it and try and find a niche elsewhere. That's partly why I stuck with languages... I was one of the better people in class at that subject. I do need to learn to pretend to be confident, it's tough though.

Like I said to the other person, thanks for humoring me. Very kind of you!

No problem.

Again, for the record, I would have said that my childhood was the best, right up to the day that I saw my mother treating my son the way that she OMG the exact way that she treated me.
For me, De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
But that's just me, and I project a lot. Your mileage may vary. I hope those links ring a bell.

[AbZero]

I didn't watch the whole thing, but I'd say you're a pretty clear ESE, maybe a small chance of SEI, but you seem pretty extroverted. Your main focus is on relating to people, especially in groups, which sounds pretty Fe. It seems pretty clear that you tend towards ethics over logic to me, there's not a lot of focus on logical aspects in the video from what I saw. You said you were fairly conflict avoidant, and I'm pretty sure I heard you use the word "comfortable" in the video, so you probably value Si over Se. I think you said some stuff about trying out some new things like going to a foreign country, and the way you talked about it sounded like valued Ne. You said something about liking to stay busy and not just lounging around, which would indicate Ej temperament. LSE isn't likely, you don't really talk much about Te matters like processes, algorithms, or efficiency

[niffer]

I'm pretty sure I heard you use the word "comfortable" in the video, so you probably value Si over Se.

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[darya]

Thanks for the input! I'm definitely doing my research into all these types, but the stuff I read about Se just seems so... Opposite. My presence has never been described in the aggressive way Se (especially dominant) is. In group settings I can actually be a bit of a doormat, depending on the audience. Not that I'm shy or soft-spoken, but I'm not assertive like I see other people being. I dunno, am I missing something?

Guess I'll tag @Maritsa as her friend also was leaning SEE

Could you be SEI-Fe then? Especially if you relate to e9 a lot...

Se always being agressive is bs ime - there are many sweet softish SEE's around.

[Dee]

The first impression was INTp. But that was mostly VI, which I am quite good at. Then I thought if ENTj was a possibility, which I think it could be. Someone said ENTp, I thought possible but you seem a little more slow and less edgy than one, more chilled out and outwardly calm. IPs can be like that though - they are calm on exterior while not on the inside. Then what you said about people in class being amazing as an excuse for your stuff - that could be Ne 7th, because we use our 7th as an excuse all the time. Amazing = Ne = achievements / coolness / high traits / potential / all that goo. Then your avatar, which talks about some sort of brokenness. You could be using your role here, because our role is what we use on people, especially at first. With INTps it's Si, and to break = Si verb. Could you read over INTp stubtypes and see which one fits you best and then come back and let me know? (See DarkAngelFireWolf69 subtypes)

[niffer]

Se always being agressive is bs ime - there are many sweet softish SEE's around.

What is your actual reason for him being SEE darya?

[Sanguine Miasma]

Logic base Sensing creative.

LSI or LSE. I think LSE could be the case.

He is not Fe kind of caring (that's just one perspective to care). You know put out F stuff out there (I think I spot that IME instantly) while it is not absent.

It's not that male especially ESE can't be bit like LSEs but it is still distinct (taking care of other by doing practical tasks ad fixing stuff).

You also appreciate . It's überCLEAR.

Also it's like you and Chae activate each other.

I think you have the BOSS gear there. Situation is just not calling for productivity.

[Chae]

Yeah, based on my own research so far, ESE sounds pretty good. I've seen the -Fe thing tagged after the XXX before, but I'm not exactly sure what that is, if you don't mind explaining it to me. As for my Enneagram, I'll post a write-up I made over the summer about what I see in myself through the lens of Naranjo's 9 below. Though I could be misunderstanding myself. I do that a lot hahaha!

For the longest time my Enneagram type was more visible to everyone except myself, which is pretty embarrassing because 9 is leaps and bounds better at explaining me than any other type. Certainly I feel like different types once in a while for a short time, but 9 is what explains me well on a daily basis.

I live out 9's over-adusted personality every day. Whether with small or big things, it's very difficult for me to assert my own opinions and desires in real life. I constantly concede to others' wishes and opinions on the outside. One example is this: my siblings and I all live on the second floor of the house. It gets pretty hot during the summer on the second floor and very stuffy. We all have air conditioners in our rooms and every day in the afternoon, the whole floor loses power because there are too many things running. And I'm always the one who turns the power back on, unplugs my air conditioner, and bears the heat. It's not horrible, but then I tend to become resentful that it's always me to do this while my siblings get to remain comfortable. It's not a fair mindset, because they don't ask me to do this, but it still gets to me. It's not like they wouldn't agree to turn theirs off. But it's like a reflex now. If I ask myself why I do this, I can't think of some convoluted risk vs. reward mindset, I just do it, automatically. It's as if it's hardwired into me to self-sacrifice in even small and meaningless ways and become resentful that I do that. And it's not just a pattern with air conditioning. Whether it's a dispute over what my friends want to do, what's for dinner, and other menial tasks, the pattern of conceding -> unexpressed resentment masked by a smile repeats itself. And when people meaningfully ask, "Is really OK with you?" I reply, "Of course, it's fine!" Every time.

When I'm socializing both on PerC and in real life, I tend to concede to others just because I can't be bothered to get into a debate. This means that I commonly apologize when I'm fully convinced that I'm right or try to find common ground to end parts of or whole conversations. I'm in slight disagreement with how 9s are depicted as not knowing where they stand on a lot of things. It's definitely true for some things. I purposely don't research or form political opinions because of the bad experiences I had dealing with political conversations. But regarding many other subjects, I have pretty deep-seated opinions. But I don't express these and, on the outside, I try to limit ways in which I may tip off the other person that I disagree. This can lead me to straight-up lying about how I feel about something, or even saying, "I see why you think that," when in reality, they said something that deeply offended me. So I prefer to stay disengaged and not express myself to "keep the peace." And it's because, when it comes down to it, I can't be bothered to rock the boat.

I also see the lack of interiority that Naranjo links to 9s in my life. I don't have a great sense of self beyond what my Si feeds me. I consider myself fairly expressive, especially when it comes to affection when I'm with my friends, but I don't consider myself an emotionally or intellectually "deep" person. When it comes to serious discussions about relationships or deep ethical topics, I find myself wanting to run away. The same goes for deep intellectual topics. I highly prefer light socializing without moralizing. I feel like a relatively straightforward person because I don't like to become too involved with ideas. This also led me to find it difficult to label myself as a type, as I didn't really know where I stood on a lot of typology-related thought patterns. I relied heavily on people to make observations about me and I figured out my types with the help of others.

On the other hand, I do reap some of the upsides of being a 9, specifically a social 9. I'm a group person and I genuinely like being involved in a variety of social groups. It's one of the reasons I became a teacher. I also feel as though I'm pretty good at smoothing over conflict and bringing people together. And while I can be too nice and need to try really hard not to be a pushover (which is an uphill battle, lemme tell ya), my niceness has gone a long way in the lives of others on a daily basis. So being a 9 every day has its pros and cons.

You do the - seeking right here, look at you go +/- signs show which positively and negatively connotated areas the functions deal with, read up DarkAngelFireWolf69 (he's your supposed dual LII so you might love it ) on that if you really need to - but other than that, they stray far from the original theory and can mislead when you use them as a substitute for Model A. I see you are indeed suuuper invested already, no objections. Great. Care about getting more into tritype and instinct stacking for confirmation, go to this thread.

[Chae]

Logic base Sensing creative.

LSI or LSE. I think LSE could be the case.

He is not Fe kind of caring (that's just one perspective to care). You know put out F stuff out there (I think I spot that IME instantly) while it is not absent.

It's not that male especially ESE can't be bit like LSEs but it is still distinct (taking care of other by doing practical tasks ad fixing stuff).

You also appreciate . It's überCLEAR.

Also it's like you and Chae activate each other.

I think you have the BOSS gear there. Situation is just not calling for productivity.

Nah, let my Fi tell you he's my benefactor. He's asking for logics, not ethics.

[Chae]

I didn't watch the whole thing, but I'd say you're a pretty clear ESE, maybe a small chance of SEI, but you seem pretty extroverted. Your main focus is on relating to people, especially in groups, which sounds pretty Fe. It seems pretty clear that you tend towards ethics over logic to me, there's not a lot of focus on logical aspects in the video from what I saw. You said you were fairly conflict avoidant, and I'm pretty sure I heard you use the word "comfortable" in the video, so you probably value Si over Se. I think you said some stuff about trying out some new things like going to a foreign country, and the way you talked about it sounded like valued Ne. You said something about liking to stay busy and not just lounging around, which would indicate Ej temperament. LSE isn't likely, you don't really talk much about Te matters like processes, algorithms, or efficiency

Yes, that's exactly what's going on. Usually would've figured out their type already taking in all the information, while he pretty much talks about socializing and socializes through the threads themselves to get a systematic assessment from us which is .

[Sanguine Miasma]

But seeking looks for clarity. Guidelines, structure and all that jazz. I have found out that I have to give ESEs time management when I do not necessarily want to. They can be pretty clueless folks when it comes to it...

[Chae]

But seeking looks for clarity. Guidelines, structure and all that jazz. I have found out that I have to give ESEs time management when I do not necessarily want to. They can be pretty clueless folks when it comes to it...

But that's the current case

[Sanguine Miasma]

Not to that extent, I think. It's very tangible in the moment stuff. But yeah, you should see it IRL.

EIIs are the ones who say you have done enough (I have experienced it BTW it was for fun and hobbyist thingy!). LIIs are the ones who say when.

[AbZero]

But seeking looks for clarity. Guidelines, structure and all that jazz. I have found out that I have to give ESEs time management when I do not necessarily want to. They can be pretty clueless folks when it comes to it...

I don't really think everyone is necessarily very aware of their dual seeking function

[AbZero]

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That was just a supporting detail, not the main point. I don't think he's Si valuing just because he used the word "comfortable"

[AbZero]

I think it's pretty clear he values Fe over Fi. He said he is most engaging in group settings and wasn't able to give anything more when it came to more personal relationships. It strikes me as being contradictory to Fi values. He emphasizes how well he gets along with people. LSEs are focused on work, utilization whether something is useful. They give out advice on how to do different things. I don't see that here

[mAAd city]

I'll get to responding to these new posts later, but thanks everyone! And I apologize for not being able to see some if these functions in me. I can see you all smacking your head's against a keyboard.

I'll get to these later though, as I have plans this evening!

[Chae]

Se always being agressive is bs ime - there are many sweet softish SEE's around.

Yes, especially the 2s among them, and those who are not SX first. They are very smooth. SX, imo, is the true aggressive factor. Se just allocates resources and tackles challenges, there is nothing inherently virulent as SX would trigger - except that it can get belligerent and showy once needed.

[Chae]

Not to that extent, I think. It's very tangible in the moment stuff. But yeah, you should see it IRL.

EIIs are the ones who say you have done enough (I have experienced it BTW it was for fun and hobbyist thingy!). LIIs are the ones who say when.

[mAAd city]

I had a few minutes before going out and just wanted to let people know where I'm at with this typing thing...

I'm heavily leaning ESE at this point in time. After seeing everyone suggest types for me, the Fe stuff hit the closest to home. And while this may be my own bias, when I read about Se and Te, I'm reminded of very specific friends/family/students from whom I'm so different. But the Fe stuff reminds me of people like me. Again, could all be in my head, but I just cannot connect to the other functions and it feels like I'm forcing some half-assed explanation of my thought process when I try to apply a Te or Se framework to my life. :/

If you want to keep suggesting reasons why I may be a certain type, go right ahead. I'll give every comment some thought and I'll still keep up. But I do feel like I'm hogging some attention and just spinning in circles, while half-committing to answers. And for that, I apologize. So for now, I'm going to "decide" on ESE. I would still like to thank everyone for being so understanding and helpful though. This is a very nice forum and I look forward to becoming more and more knowledgeable about the system itself.
@Chae Thanks for that Enneagram link! I got 937 so/sp between the two. Certainly interesting, and different from my previous typing (962). That's another thing to mull over.

[niffer]

That was just a supporting detail, not the main point. I don't think he's Si valuing just because he used the word "comfortable"

Yeah but it was one of the points apparently. It's like bothering to list something like "you said the word 'time' in the video, so you're probably Ni valuing".......

It just says something about the quality of your thinking.

[Singu]

I think it's pretty clear he values Fe over Fi. He said he is most engaging in group settings and wasn't able to give anything more when it came to more personal relationships.

That has more to do with him being an so/sp than Fe.

[AbZero]

That has more to do with him being an so/sp than Fe.

A lot of Fe descriptions speak about camaraderie and Fi descriptions tend towards personal relations. I'm not sure why you don't think it's related to Fe. If you look at the quadra descriptions they explicitly state Fe valuers like participating in groups while Fi valuers prefer more personal connections

[AbZero]

Yeah but it was one of the points apparently. It's like bothering to list something like "you said the word 'time' in the video, so you're probably Ni valuing".......

It just says something about the quality of your thinking.

I think you're kind of nitpicking here, I was just listing everything that came to mind. In any case, I don't see how he could be a logical type given his emphasis. And yes, I added that because Si egos are more likely to talk about comfort

[darya]

@Chae Thanks for that Enneagram link! I got 937 so/sp between the two. Certainly interesting, and different from my previous typing (962). That's another thing to mull over.

One of those tritypes must be correct - 937 or 962. I'm 937 and I spot my own kind At first glance you maybe strike me more as the latter (962). But you need to figure out your core type, cause it can be a good indication of your socionics type. For example, there's no such thing as ESE e9, no matter what everyone says : P

[mAAd city]

One of those tritypes must be correct - 937 or 962. I'm 937 and I spot my own kind At first glance you maybe strike me more as the latter (962). But you need to figure out your core type, cause it can be a good indication of your socionics type. For example, there's no such thing as ESE e9, no matter what everyone says : P

Naranjo's version of 9 (and that's my main source for anything Enneagram) says it's a super-extrovert and links 9 to ESFJ (dichotomy, but from what I read there seems to be overlap in Socionics descriptions, even if people seem to recoil at the idea of dichotomies at all) and high Si. So while I agree that certain Enneagram types and Jungian types don't mix, I don't see a huge problem here. Certainly Fe 9 is better than Te or Se 9 from what I've read.

[darya]

What is your actual reason for him being SEE darya?

I'm playing an elimination game, like usually - not at all that this person totally looks like SEE He seems ethical, non-intuitive and let's say also extroved (?). Something bothers me with dominant Fe though - too laid back and not high strung to be ESE imo. He just wants to be polite, have good relations - ESE's are a bit more judgmental and affected than that ime. He doesn't seem to influence or lead emotions of viewers of this video. He traveled the world, had trouble deciding what to do with his career,.... I can see how appropriate in social situations can be read as necesarilly Fe, but I disagree with that - many Fi types can be hung up on politness and appropriatness. I think SEE's and IEE's can be fake as hell - superficially getting along with everybody and their moms.

"You don't have to be flattering people, lying to them, just be polite"
"I don't do conflict at all".
"I'm getting better at cooking, but I definitely prefer what my mother makes."
"I'm not the one who likes to clean his house just for the hell of it".
"Day to day stuff I can do, but it's not like I love it"
"I don't think I'm that emotional".
"I'm not the one who's suddenly start the conversation, like, i'll just let it be...if people start the conversation with me, I'll just go on and on forever"
Doesn't see house chores as any kind of priority, "don't do daily chores" - he only does it as a way of socializing, as a party time basically - irrational approach
idk, not seeing ESE saying/ephasizing the above..

I'm not counting out SEI though,some can be very sociable, but the thing is with Te-polr - he seems too assertive and serious, Te valuing perhaps . He values new hobbyes and knowledge greatly, so many topics he wants to explore, , wants to be in a community of learners, he intends to "make his way up", he likes to be influence in someone's life, he likes and is good at giving advice- Not that much SEI indicator??

In all he talks about, I really don't see how Fe is supposed to be his dominant function (and neither do I see it in his body language or mannerisms). To further complicate things, his mannerisms remind me of Matt Damon, who is commonly typed LSE (but the OP doesn't like fianance, loves humanities, people oriented, see himself as feminine man etc. ).

@OP, after watching the whole video, I'd say you are 963 or 962.

That's why I prefer not to explain my thoughts about someone's typing, because they take too much time to write down

[darya]

Naranjo's version of 9 (and that's my main source for anything Enneagram) says it's a super-extrovert and links 9 to ESFJ (dichotomy, but from what I read there seems to be overlap in Socionics descriptions, even if people seem to recoil at the idea of dichotomies at all) and high Si. So while I agree that certain Enneagram types and Jungian types don't mix, I don't see a huge problem here. Certainly Fe 9 is better than Te or Se 9 from what I've read.

How do you relate to Fe though? What is Fe to you and how do you do it?

[Birdie]

So how do you plan on showing us your appreciation? I need to know what I'm getting myself into first.

[mAAd city]

@darya

Thanks for that analysis. I may be mis-applying some MBTI stuff to Socionics. While this isn't the case for every aspect, a lot of MBTI Fe stuff (this is the system I'm familiar with, sorry for mixing them) seems like Socionics Fi, at least based on your analysis. The cooperative approach and conflict avoidance is classic Fe in an MBTI sense, but apparently not in a Socionics sense. Color me confused again Fi, in my MBTI eyes, values the individual, conceptually, and their value judgments (and I don't see a huge correlation between MBTI Fi and any Socionics function other than like a 1/10 of Si descriptions).

Yeah, the 6 v 7 is weird and I can't really figure it out too well. I lean more 3 than 2 if we're just considering fixes, which aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.

What would you think about an SEE 9?

As for SEI - a lot of SEI does make some sense, if they can be outgoing. I don't want to force a Te-PoLR description where it doesn't fit, but even if I come across as more assertive in a video, you have no idea how quickly I'll stop seeming that way if someone who is actually assertive and efficient enters the room

[mAAd city]

So how do you plan on showing us your appreciation? I need to know what I'm getting myself into first.

Choose one of the following!

1. The satisfaction of helping a confused internet stranger.

2. I can draw you a shitty picture when I get home from work

[Birdie]

3. A case of wine? I like Montevina's Zinfandel.


hahaha. I'm just playing with you. When I have some free time I will watch your videos.

[mAAd city]

3. A case of wine? I like Montevina's Zinfandel.


hahaha. I'm just playing with you. When I have some free time I will watch your videos.

Thanks!

[Exodus]

The biggest theme in your questionnaire is a love of learning.

-learning about many different subjects (Ne, Te)
-a people person, "social butterfly" (ethics)
-preference for low-key, wholesome, "boring" social interaction
-opens up to people very easily, will say things that others might be uncomfortable saying themselves (high Fe)
-avoids conflict to a pathological degree, doesn't know how to deal with it (weak and unvalued Se)
-wants to be "an expert" in something, likes being in a community of learners
-prefers doing hobbies and interests rather than dealing with everyday maintenance stuff
-likes to give advice
-hates macho and aggressive behavior (Se)
-although socially open, treads carefully when it comes to others who might not be, lets them "do their own thing"

Everything adds up to IEE.

People suggesting Se valuing types - did they even watch the video?

As for LSE, your area of strength clearly seems to be in the domain of people.

The behavior you described disliking - people trying to be "deep" and talking about things that have nothing to do with the real world - is a classic example of Ni/Fe/Ti usage (i.e. Beta information).

[Singu]

He said he doesn't care about theoretical stuff though.

[mAAd city]

The biggest theme in your questionnaire is a love of learning.

-learning about many different subjects (Ne, Te)
-a people person, "social butterfly" (ethics)
-preference for low-key, wholesome, "boring" social interaction
-opens up to people very easily, will say things that others might be uncomfortable saying themselves (high Fe)
-avoids conflict to a pathological degree, doesn't know how to deal with it (weak and unvalued Se)
-wants to be "an expert" in something, likes being in a community of learners
-prefers doing hobbies and interests rather than dealing with everyday maintenance stuff
-likes to give advice
-hates macho and aggressive behavior (Se)
-although socially open, treads carefully when it comes to others who might not be, lets them "do their own thing"

Everything adds up to IEE.

People suggesting Se valuing types - did they even watch the video?

As for LSE, your area of strength clearly seems to be in the domain of people.

The behavior you described disliking - people trying to be "deep" and talking about things that have nothing to do with the real world - is a classic example of Ni/Fe/Ti usage (i.e. Beta information).

Thanks for the input! IEE is certainly interesting. I hadn't thought about being Fi valuing, but then I realized that Socionics Fi is in a whole different dimension from what I'm used to in MBTI. So I'm very open to that!

And for anyone who cares about the theoretical comment, guess I should explain. Where I come from (the good ole MBTI community), people can't seem to stop complaining about sensors, accusing them of being stupid and shallow. But those same people come up with some of the dumbest and most plainly wrong stuff I've ever seen. It sounds "cool" but is just intellectually dishonest edgy comments. And don't even get me started on people complaining about their Si parents...

I hate that. If people say something "deep" and there's substance to it, then that's fine. I'll eat up Kierkegaard for days, for example. And there doesn't seem to be as big of a Sensing hatred in Socionics, which makes me happy.