Archetypal Stackings

[Pallas]

I didn't address it because I don't agree with it but it is your perception so whatever.

If you don't agree with it, that's why you ought to address it. The only reason you wouldn't agree with it and also not have to address it is because your disagreement has been expressed better by someone else, but aside from Anima's points (which I agree with entirely, it's just a matter of phrasing), that only leaves the "experts'", and the "experts" are exactly what I'm challenging. So you're really just like "know your place!" But no one has ever gotten anywhere by staying in their place, which really makes leaving your place the greatest virtue. "Continuous striving" and all that.

[Aylen]

If you don't agree with it, that's why you ought to address it. The only reason you wouldn't agree with it and also not have to address it is because your disagreement has been expressed better by someone else, but aside from Anima's points (which I agree with entirely, it's just a matter of phrasing), that only leaves the "experts'", and the "experts" are exactly what I'm challenging. So you're really just like "know your place!" But no one has ever gotten anywhere by staying in their place, which really makes leaving your place the greatest virtue. "Continuous striving" and all that.

Because I have already had my dance with you on this stuff and you apparently didn't take it into consideration. I will let someone else have the next dance. I don't need an expert to tell me how I experience my own stacking.

[Pallas]

Because I have already had my dance with you on this stuff and you apparently didn't take it into consideration. I will let someone else have the next dance. I don't need an expert to tell me how I experience my own stacking.

You literally just linked to "here are some people who have done their research (and are taken as authorities)" instead of adding in your own personal observations though. People literally are arguing what the stackings are and arguing over each other's stackings all the time, so something in what's already been done is not already incomplete but to some extent wrong. It's like all of enneagram is the macrocosm to the debate over whether I'm IEE or LSI.

[Aylen]

You literally just linked to "here are some people who have done their research (and are taken as authorities)" instead of adding in your own personal observations though. People literally are arguing what the stackings are and arguing over each other's stackings all the time, so something in what's already been done is not already incomplete but to some extent wrong.

That was in response to what it would take to make money on something like this. You know that. I have read many sources on instincts but in the end I make up my own mind what applies to me and what doesn't. Like I said we have talked enough about this so you could go into other threads or on discord to refresh your memory if you need to.

[Pallas]

That was in response to what it would take to make money on something like this. You know that. I have read many sources and takes on instincts but in the end I make up my own mind what applies to me and what doesn't. Like I said we have talked enough about this so you could go into other threads or on discord to refresh your memory if you need to.

Yeah, but all this has nothing to do with the actual theory contained in the diagrams. It's just nitpicking over details. I had explicitly stated that this is largely a break with everything done before, and that seems to have gone right over your head. Most people seem to get the general idea and their nitpicks are more actually appreciated attempts at correction (as I said, this is a draft) than just attempts to throw this out the window. Even Ghost's comment that I made Sx sound 8-ish led to actual expanding and adapting of this all.

[Aylen]

Yeah, but all this has nothing to do with the actual theory contained in the diagrams. It's just nitpicking over details. I had explicitly stated that this is largely a break with everything done before, and that seems to have gone right over your head. Most people seem to get the general idea and their nitpicks are more actually appreciated attempts at correction (as I said, this is a draft) than just attempts to throw this out the window.

Give it up. I am not endorsing your "product" but it shouldn't matter anyway. Do your thing... I am not going to nitpick it. You brought up the link I shared, I didn't.

[Pallas]

Give it up. I am not endorsing your "product" but it shouldn't matter anyway. Do your thing... I am not going to nitpick it. You brought up the link I shared, I didn't.

"Product"? This is literally an attempt at a model to actually explain enneagram. Until then it's a pseudo-typology, equivalent to classifying birds based on whether or not they're blue. There's absolutely no point in pseudo-typology whatsoever, since there are much more colorful stereotypes if you simply hit I'm Feeling Lucky on Google.

[Jarno]

Let the dude sell some products, who cares!?!

[Muddy]

I thought this was interesting so I made some of my own based of races from the elder scrolls series which can be read about here:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/races-tamriel

So/Sx: High Elves



In Imperial speech, the haughty, tall, golden-skinned peoples of Summerset Isle are called "High Elves," but they call themselves the "Altmer," or the "Cultured People." In the Empire, "High" is often understood to mean "tall," "proud," or "snobbish." The High Elves confidently consider themselves, with some justice, as the most civilized culture of Tamriel; the common tongue of the Empire, Tamrielic, is based on Altmer speech and writing, and most of the Empire's arts, crafts, and sciences are derived from High Elven traditions. However, the High Elf's smug self-assurance of his superiority can be hard to bear for those of other races. Deft, intelligent, and strong-willed, High Elves are often gifted in the arcane arts, and High Elves boast that their sublime physical natures make them far more resistant to disease than the "lesser races."

Sx/Sp: Orcs



These sophisticated barbarian beast peoples of the Wrothgarian and Dragontail Mountains are noted for their unshakeable courage in war and their unflinching endurance of hardships. In the past, Orcs have been widely feared and hated by the other nations and races of Tamriel, but they have slowly won acceptance in the Empire, in particular for their distinguished service in the Emperor's Legions. Orcish armorers are prized for their craftsmanship, and Orc warriors in heavy armor are among the finest front-line troops in the Empire. Most Imperial citizens regard Orc society as rough and cruel, but there is much to admire in their fierce tribal loyalties and generous equality of rank and respect among the sexes.

Sp/So: Imperials



Natives of the civilized, cosmopolitan province of Cyrodiil, the Imperials are well-educated and well-spoken. Imperials are also known for the discipline and training of their citizen armies. Though physically less imposing than the other races, the Imperials have proved to be shrewd diplomats and traders, and these traits, along with their remarkable skill and training as light infantry, have enabled them to subdue all the other nations and races, and to have erected the monument to peace and prosperity that comprises the Glorious Empire.

Sx/So: Nords



The citizens of Skyrim are a tall and fair-haired people, aggressive and fearless in war, industrious and enterprising in trade and exploration. Skilled sailors, Nords can be found in seaports and settlements along all the coasts and rivers of Tamriel. Strong, stubborn, and hardy, Nords are famous for their resistance to cold, even magical frost. Violence is an accepted and comfortable aspect of Nord culture; Nords of all classes are skilled with a variety of weapon and armor styles, and they cheerfully face battle with an ecstatic ferocity that shocks and appalls their enemies.

So/Sp: Bretons



The men and women of High Rock were once ruled by High Elf overlords. Some Elven blood still runs in their veins, giving Bretons an innate grasp of magic that distinguishes them from the other human races. Passionate and flamboyant, intelligent and resourceful, the Bretons are renowned and talented craftsmen, shrewd merchants, gallant cavaliers, and inventive wizards. They can also be proud and quarrelsome. Tales of warfare between the kingdoms of High Rock account for much of their history, but most revere the Eight Divines and value prosperity over glory.

Sp/Sx: Wood Elves



The Wood Elves are the various barbarian Elven clanfolk of the Western Valenwood forests. In the Empire, they are collectively referred to as "Wood Elves," but "Bosmer," or "the Tree-Sap People," is what they call themselves. "Tree-Sap" suggests the wild vitality and youthful energy of Wood Elves, in contrast with their more dour cousins, the Altmer and Dunmer. Bosmer reject the stiff, formal traditions of Aldmeri high culture, preferring a romantic, simple existence in harmony with the land, its wild beauty and wild creatures. These country cousins of the High Elves and Dark Elves are nimble and quick in body and wit, and because of their curious natures and natural agility, Wood Elves are especially suitable as scouts, agents, and thieves. But most of all, the Wood Elves are known for their skills with bows; there are no finer archers in all of Tamriel.