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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I still don't see how your experience is any different from mine as an IEI. But anyway, you must experience things differently than I do somehow.
    I agree with you. While reading your exchange, with Mari, I had a flashback to something I posted awhile back in another thread. At the time I considered the whole situation to be related to my Si primarily but now I think it was a mixture of Ni, Si, strong Fi reaction to the guy not listening to me. A bit of Fe too. :/ Your interaction was actually pretty helpful. Thanks.


    What stage is this?



    Me: I feel awful today. I guess it's allergies. My head is full of pressure, especially behind my eyes. I got a headache. This sucks.


    SLE: Hey come for a walk with me.


    Me: Did you just hear a word I said? You don't listen. I just told you that my allergies are so bad that it hurts and you ask me to go outside.


    SLE: I heard you.


    Me: You didn't. You asked me to go outside to the source of my allergies where my barometric pressure will cause me to get dizzy! I will fall down and the coyotes will eat me. [We have coyotes or something that looks like coyotes around only at night]


    SLE: Let me rephrase, take an allergy pill and go for a walk with us. [couple others join in and make fun of my barometric pressure comment]


    Me: Coyotes!


    SLE: If you pass out I won't let them eat you.


    Me: No thanks I'm going back to my room.


    *everyone laughs at me*


    Me: Leave me alone!


    *playfully pretends to slam the door*


    *locks door* <-- I really did




    It is like everything I said fell on deaf ears. I think the only person who got it was my IEI brother. LSI called me lazy which pissed me off. I hate to be called lazy.



    Edit: The story continues...





    I hear a knock on the door and then they start singing "you light up my senses like a night in the forest".


    Me: What?


    SLE: Open the door.


    [so I open the door and he handed me two tylenol.]


    Me: Thanks, I have fire in my head.


    SLE: Man, sorry to hear that.


    [They actually looked a little sorry for real. I love my friends.]


    Me: What was that song?


    SLE: I don't know some old song.


    Me: Ok, lock my door. Thanks


    SLE: Feel better.


    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    Hm I think your referring to the superego taking hints from the duals Id block. Your see your dual using your role function in a way that supports your suggestive (their base), so you start using it in the same way. But your role is weak and they will automatically resist it when it negatively affects their base. But this affects you too as your suggestive and you mimic their example again, etc. gradually you get better at your role and their unconscious resistence weakens, it actually becomes impossible for them to oppose your role when it is supporting their base.
    ME:

    I am not completely sure of what you are saying but I wonder if this has a little bit to do with what happened between my friend and me earlier. Regardless you sparked me to read up on Si and Se.

    It's not like I have ever been eaten by a coyote (in this lifetime anyway) but I had no problem imagining then internalizing and experiencing the horror of it when it was suggested to walk at night down by the lake and trees. Sent me into a panic that no amount of Se could break through... Not to mention allergies or whatever...

    For the record everyone who went for a walk came back in one piece. No coyote attack but I was not going to take any chances, plus I got allergies today.


    Introverted sensing () is an irrational, introverted, and dynamic information element. It is also referred to as Si, S, experiential sensing, or white sensing.
    Si is associated with the ability to internalize sensations and to experience them in full detail.
    Si focuses on tangible, direct (external) connections (introverted) between processes (dynamic) happening in one time, i.e. the physical, sensual experience of interactions between objects. This leads to an awareness of internal tangible physical states and how various physical fluctuations or substances are directly transferred between objects, such as motion, temperature, or dirtiness. The awareness of these tangible physical processes consequently leads to an awareness of health, or an optimum balance with one's environment. The individual physical reaction to concrete surroundings is main way we perceive and define aesthetics, comfort, convenience, and pleasure.
    In contrast to extroverted sensing Se, Si is related to following one's own needs instead of focusing on some externally-driven conception of what is necessary to acquire or achieve. So, whereas Se ego types feel capable to evaluate how justified others' preferences are, Si ego types will try to adjust to them in any way possible (given that it does not extremely affect their own comfort), wishing to minimize conflict.
    In contrast to introverted intuition Ni, Si is about direct interaction and unity (or discord) with one's surroundings, rather than abstract process and causal links.
    Types that value Si prefer to spend their time doing enjoyable activities rather than straining themselves to achieve goals. They like to believe that if activities are done with enjoyment, people will give them more effort and time, and also becoming more skilled at what they are doing in the long run. They believe that goals should suit people's intrinsic needs rather than shaped by the demands and constraints of the external world, and so do not try to force others into doing things they don't want to do. They also try to be easygoing and pleasant, preferring peaceful coexistence to conflict, except when their personal well-being or comfort is directly at stake.


    as a role (3rd) function (IEI and ILI)

    The individual dislikes it when others emphasize the need for relaxation, enjoyment, and activities that are supposed to bring these about, because what they need internally is just the opposite — a need for action and resolve. Rather than spend their time trying to "listen to what their body is telling them," they need to have clear external demands that are able to overcome their sense of uncertainty and hesitation.



    as an ignoring (7th) function (SLE and SEE)

    The individual is perfectly adept at evaluating his physical state and the quality of his sensations, but gives priority to the external act of experiencing and interacting with the world. He gets impatient with those who stubbornly focus on harmony and equilibrium when there are things to be done in the outside world. According to these types, the exploration of the sensations is something that should be done in private on one's own time, but in public people should be ready to interact, get involved, and command situations without having to weigh out everything first.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    Im assuming your an inxp? And your dual is esxp

    So yeah, that's what I am saying. Your duals ne role function suggested an idea that triggered a cascade of unpleasant sensations (si). You tried to alleviate it using se but the internal sensations were overwhelming and your ni inner harmony was disturbed. Next time you'd see it coming and Change mental trajectories before your dual's idea could fully form. Your dual would gradually mimic your example and only form ideas which maintained their inner harmony (and yours with it). and as they got better at it your resistance to their ideas would weaken.
    This is pretty interesting actually. Honestly, at first, my biggest issue with the idea of a walk being suggested, after I just said how bad my allergies were, was that they did not hear what I was saying. Then he assured me he heard me and I was a bit baffled at the logic of someone having an allergy attack and headache take a walk down by the trees. It just made no sense so again I assumed they must not have heard me. Then he rephrased and suggested I take an allergy pill and go anyway and that annoyed me further but in fact the suggestion of walking immediately conjured images of coyote attack. I am not that big physically and in my mind if they were to attack it would happen with me there because I am smaller and my allergies would make me appear weak. Like all this took form in my head in like a split second. After I complained about not being heard I just felt I wanted to go to my room where I would feel safe and comfortable.

    When I was in my room I was sort of trying to get over my annoyance at not being heard. Then he knocked and handed me painkillers. I realized then that he got what I was saying but in the group of everyone else he was sort of laughing about my fear of coyote attack and barometric pressure and not acknowledging how bad I was really feeling. It was only when he got away from the group did he really make me feel like he felt bad that I didn't feel well. After I asked him to lock the door when he left I started thinking about the whole incident and I knew that my fear of the coyotes was the main reason I did not want to walk and the allergies were not the main reason. I could have taken a pill and joined them but I didn't. The whole thought of walking around here at night causes me anxiety but when I was telling everyone that I didn't want to go I was sort of using exaggerated expressions, raising my voice, and pouting so I think everyone just thought I was trying to be funny. I kind of used "being funny" as camouflage to hide my fears and the anxiety only went away once I was locked in my room. I am still surprised everyone else went even after I warned them about coyotes. :/ But nothing happened so... I still have this nagging feeling that, had I gone with them, we would have seen some.

    Thanks for explaining the role/base thing to me. I think I understand the whole incident better now.
    Last edited by Aylen; 04-17-2017 at 07:44 PM.

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