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    Default Um :) EII

    I type Michelle Obama EII here's a video of her and Ellen and I think Ellen is some kind of a Irrational type...
    This is how indecive EII are and serious they are

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    I feel like ESI is more likely... She's kind of controlling of other's movements.

    lol "Oh Bernie Sanders!!". Ellen is really weird...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I feel like ESI is more likely... She's kind of controlling of other's movements.

    lol "Oh Bernie Sanders!!". Ellen is really weird...
    No it's not. She's controlling because she doesn't want them to do something wrong, imoral, improper, hurting a child. She's a psedo caregiver
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    How does EII different than ESI in this sense? I think it's more like enneagram 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mori View Post
    How does EII different than ESI in this sense? I think it's more like enneagram 1?
    ESI walk more firmly, they stair straight ahead. When they disagree with something they say it so firmly that one can not resist their strong presence. I call that the wall of resistance. Obama is soft, she blocks or is hesitant to use strong language. She kind of tippy toes and tries to reason. This attitude may come off more controling only because she like myself don't know how to be firm and deliver it strongly, so we try to reason and partly teach. But Obama is an empath and a humanist she can feel the child, the people, she even feels Ellen "are you bored" She also resorts to Delta manners, don't distroy property, etc. She tries to stop obnoxious, loud behavior but she isn't very affective at it. You can see she doesn't like that kind of boistrous display. Being extremely honest, she says "I can't do that I work for the government." So she knows her place. She's all about proper behavior "don't open that in the store" it's not proper, concerned with correct action.

    So much Te seeking "help me make a decision here" with regards to the head phones. "Wine in a box; HOW does this work?" "Do you know what you're doing?"

    Because she can't control the baby situation, she offers a suggestion to the mom "you should go now." Should is a judgement.

    Lastly, she's probably really stressed out about Ellen's antics and drained and wants to get out of there. The check out doesn't work out well and still she's not affective at controlling.

    She focuses on the process "this is a process."

    She's a process type.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    No it's not. She's controlling because she doesn't want them to do something wrong, imoral, improper, hurting a child. She's a psedo caregiver
    She's nothing like you, Maritsa. You show like no emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I feel like ESI is more likely... She's kind of controlling of other's movements.

    lol "Oh Bernie Sanders!!". Ellen is really weird...
    Please watch it again, ESI are a result type. Obama is EII she focuses on Process. Ellen would be a result type here. The result sporaticness gets Obama really frustrated and tired. Her will is running out quickly
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Please watch it again, ESI are a result type. Obama is EII she focuses on Process. Ellen would be a result type here. The result sporaticness gets Obama really frustrated and tired. Her will is running out quickly
    Ok, and do you often control and obstruct other's movements like that? I don't see EIIs doing that very often. I would agree with Fi-lead, it's all "don't do this, don't do that" which can be annoying.

    Look at how aggressively she grabs Ellen's hand and puts it down @ 1:10, without even paying attention to her.

    And anyway, she may not even be either EII nor ESI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Ok, and do you often control and obstruct other's movements like that? I don't see EIIs doing that very often. I would agree with Fi-lead, it's all "don't do this, don't do that" which can be annoying.

    Look at how aggressively she grabs Ellen's hand and puts it down @ 1:10, without even paying attention to her.

    And anyway, she may not even be either EII nor ESI.
    If they are disruptive and improper yes
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    She's more likely a Se type, she takes a lot of "space" like most Se types, and her movements are very sharp:



    She makes fun of Ellen's height, and says "No, you're good down there", which Ellen replies with "See, you're still competitive" @ 01:30 :



    As for Reinin dichotomies, she seems like an asker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    She's more likely a Se type, she takes a lot of "space" like most Se types, and her movements are very sharp:



    She makes fun of Ellen's height, and says "No, you're good down there", which Ellen replies with "See, you're still competitive" @ 01:30 :



    As for Reinin dichotomies, she seems like an asker.
    look at her face

    now look at mine shes eii
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    look at her face
    Her eyes are very "strong" and focused, which are fairly typical of ESIs.

    ESI eyes:



    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    now look at mine shes eii
    Your eyes look 100000000 times softer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    ESI walk more firmly, they stair straight ahead. When they disagree with something they say it so firmly that one can not resist their strong presence. I call that the wall of resistance. Obama is soft, she blocks or is hesitant to use strong language. She kind of tippy toes and tries to reason. This attitude may come off more controling only because she like myself don't know how to be firm and deliver it strongly, so we try to reason and partly teach. But Obama is an empath and a humanist she can feel the child, the people, she even feels Ellen "are you bored" She also resorts to Delta manners, don't distroy property, etc. She tries to stop obnoxious, loud behavior but she isn't very affective at it. You can see she doesn't like that kind of boistrous display. Being extremely honest, she says "I can't do that I work for the government." So she knows her place. She's all about proper behavior "don't open that in the store" it's not proper, concerned with correct action.

    So much Te seeking "help me make a decision here" with regards to the head phones. "Wine in a box; HOW does this work?" "Do you know what you're doing?"

    Because she can't control the baby situation, she offers a suggestion to the mom "you should go now." Should is a judgement.

    Lastly, she's probably really stressed out about Ellen's antics and drained and wants to get out of there. The check out doesn't work out well and still she's not affective at controlling.

    She focuses on the process "this is a process."

    She's a process type.
    actually you make a convincing argument. At least you bring up important key aspects. Her hitting on Te aspects "how to open this?". It might be that she is drawing awareness of it for Ellen's sake, so Ellen can be the initiator (problem solver). I don't draw the same conclusions though. Obama might actualy be LSE? And this video is one of those instances where a rational type is trying to make a irrational type act more rationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Her eyes are very "strong" and focused, which are fairly typical of ESIs.

    ESI eyes:





    Your eyes look 100000000 times softer.
    I have not look into Michelle much. Would that mean her and husband are identicals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    I have not look into Michelle much. Would that mean her and husband are identicals?
    I would have thought IEI for Barack, because ESIs are not exactly "hope and change" types, in fact the LIEs are giving them "hope and change", it's the positivist Ni. So I can see identical, but beneficiary would also work.

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    Far too shady for EII, and too badass for Delta. Se-ego for sure.

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    What type is Ellen? She seems like an XNFp. Either she's annoying Michelle with supervision, or she's ignoring all the Fi stuff that's annoying Michelle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Her eyes are very "strong" and focused, which are fairly typical of ESIs.

    ESI eyes:





    Your eyes look 100000000 times softer.
    What because she's black?

    Ellen is a result type P
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Far too shady for EII, and too badass for Delta. Se-ego for sure.
    The woman who is SEE an Se type is the one who mobilizes to solve a problem, taking direct action towards it... the one who helps open the wine box
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    What because she's black?

    Ellen is a result type P
    No... ESI eyes are the same regardless of race.

    And how are you typing process/result? You can't just say that she is process because she said "process".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    No... ESI eyes are the same regardless of race.

    And how are you typing process/result? You can't just say that she is process because she said "process".
    Why don't you watch the video more carefully. There are several places where she can't start in a jumbled fashion she's always asking for the start looking for the start going through the motions

    Being an Ne type in the beginning of the shopping she stops to view something new and novel
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    An EII is someone like Ron Paul:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    look at her face

    now look at mine

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    Michelle and Letterman... I think Letterman is ILE. Super conflicting.


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    First impression: ESI
    Listening her interview bit further: ego looks actually much more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    An EII is someone like Ron Paul:

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