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    Read that somewhere
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    It's difficult to say that they are generally attracted to each other. They would show (=act out, they're sensory) their attraction with Se, but often only when energized first through Fe suggestive. Everything sounds like an individual case here, or am I mistaken? And is it really an LSI and not some SLI type? If you like, use a closer description of this LSI behavior so we can help

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    Yes because LSI are ST. They are strong willed and protective just like LSE. There are common mannerisms but I love my duals because they are more compartmentaling of time and they take up a lot to do.

    The two LSI that were attracted to me asked me out to eat and they are quiet but they'll call you and want to see you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther View Post
    They are quiet waiting for you to start the Fe shenanigans/fun/rants etc.
    Oh well I'm sorry that they won't get that from me
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    I think they ARE generally attracted to one another because they are Superego partners, so there's some kind of pull toward each other. How does the Fe suggestive work in this case though?

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    I agree. They are pretty quiet but there's a mystery about them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    I think they ARE generally attracted to one another because they are Superego partners, so there's some kind of pull toward each other. How does the Fe suggestive work in this case though?
    Jokes around with them. Tried to get them to laugh and even get upset. They will say "you look so serious ha hahahah" or tell a joke and make odd observations of their environment.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    That's actually kind of awkward So there's no direct initiation, like:"I like you" or something. It's kind of like playful flirting then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    That's actually kind of awkward So there's no direct initiation, like:"I like you" or something. It's kind of like playful flirting then?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Oh well. How healthy do you think Superego relations are though? From your POV, that is, because I've read contradictory Socionics posts on Superego relations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    Oh well. How healthy do you think Superego relations are though? From your POV, that is, because I've read contradictory Socionics posts on Superego relations.
    1. Why on earth would you want to be with an LSI?

    2. They are common among fast marriages and eventual divorces.

    3. I would look to date an LSE and when he falls in love with you he will tell you that he loves you nearly every day and you will have no doubts of a man's love for you as LSEs stand on solid ground.

    4. Sex with LSI is not good.

    5. Their Ne polr and sometimes Se suspicion will annoy you but they do treat people kindly with good manners but even if LSEs don't treat their closest with enough love since they do blow up on them you ignore outburst of emotions and can move past it instead of further aggravating them and the situation.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    okay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    Is the point about sex with an LSI from personal experience?
    Also, I don't think I'll date him... I'm just infatuated at the moment. Stupid obsessive EII crushes
    You seem pretty decided on LSEs. The LSE in my class puts me off TBH. He's always flirting with all the girls, and always so touchy especially if you wear something that allows cleavage. He's always commenting on this girl's ass or the other's hips or whatever. If he isn't doing that then he's ranting loudly about politics. He annoys me.
    Yes I've had sex with an LSI and they are all about the intensity or heightened sensation approach whereas LSE caress, kiss, take their time to enjoy, they go slow and try different things when they feel like it like "I haven't done this is a while" the Si gets them to stay connected to your feelings and their internal sensations.

    I can understand infatuation and I can also understand how you would be so annoyed by a compulsive flirting LSEs I know that once in a relationship LSEs tend not to do that when you tell them how that makes you feel.

    LSI look attractive because of that formality and restraint. Some LSEs can be the same way... very socially restrained. It's just a matter of you telling them and seeing how they react to your morals. I would say in a friendly way "you know I'm looking out for you when I say that what you are doing is inappropriate as well as unbecoming and it makes you look bad" ithis demonstrates that you are being a friend and getting his back and it adjusts his external approach so there you will fix him
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    I honestly think that LSIs trump LSEs in terms of outward behaviour. LSIs are way less openly flirty, and are quiet and more polite. I know for a fact that most of them are sexually promiscuous but I feel like they have this need to be loved? And the way they act around people they like is a whole other feeling, because they're suddenly upbeat and kind of affectionate. And shy at the same time... It's so cute. I feel like with LSEs, it's hard to feel special because he'll treat you like any other girl he's been flirting with. And being in a relationship with him and telling him to change would make me feel like I'm kind of limiting him? I don't believe people change, so he'd probably do it low-key.
    Have you dated an LSE? Was he a flirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    I honestly think that LSIs trump LSEs in terms of outward behaviour. LSIs are way less openly flirty, and are quiet and more polite. I know for a fact that most of them are sexually promiscuous but I feel like they have this need to be loved? And the way they act around people they like is a whole other feeling, because they're suddenly upbeat and kind of affectionate. And shy at the same time... It's so cute. I feel like with LSEs, it's hard to feel special because he'll treat you like any other girl he's been flirting with. And being in a relationship with him and telling him to change would make me feel like I'm kind of limiting him? I don't believe people change, so he'd probably do it low-key.
    Have you dated an LSE? Was he a flirt?
    My boyfriend is LSE. I would condone his flirting privately if he did it in front of me. He doesn't want to lose me because he knows in his heart how different I am from everyone else he's ever dated. We match sexually, I let him lead our sensory world (as in we will go eat what he wants, he decorated the place in his own taste, etc) he does most of the chores around the house although I'm very good at this. He appreciates my patience and ability to remain calm when he gets upset and reacts. He also likes that I don't yank him emotionally and make him upset. I like when he schedules relaxing time when he announces "it's relaxing time". I like that when he fixes something he does it by the book as in he makes sure he doesn't ruined the warranty on his car and he knows the laws of the land, although he will find ways around them even if he points when others violate them. He is attached to family as I am and he has very few friends although he is a wishful thinker and says others are "friends" protective guarded doesn't trust others easily. He has a few hobbies mostly dynamic riding his motorcycle and dirt off-roading. He just wants peace in his surroundings and he wants others to love and accept him.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Oh my God Duality in actual real life! He sounds awesome really. How long have you two been dating?
    I'm going on a dual search now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    Oh my God Duality in actual real life! He sounds awesome really. How long have you two been dating?
    I'm going on a dual search now
    It wasn't always this way for us. There were several times that I wanted to break up with him and I would have done it swiftly. He was terrible in the beginning and every other day I wanted to walk away. I had met other duals who were prepared to be in a relationship with me but he got a whiff of Socionics and I compared myself to his SEE ex girlfriend who he had a lot of trouble with. LSE are slow slowwww to recognize their feelings.

    LSE slogan "you can't achieve perfection by rushing "
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    4. Sex with LSI is not good.
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    Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”

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    Don't steal my dual

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    For me golden
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by noaydi View Post
    Don't steal my dual
    She in Kenya
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Oops I read LSE :/

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    Well I can still steal her dual though
    J/k lol.

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    Exclamation CALLING ALL LSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This thread has had 24 posts without a single LSI response.

    First post, I could use some clarification from you guys and I'm tired of waiting for it.

    Most of the LSIs I know are 3Se-sub, the especially playful, fit, frisky ones with stiff backs and perfectly proportionate faces (at least in youth). So are the majority of the LSIs I've seen post on here. Following question is for you:

    Do you actually find EIIs interesting?! Not on the condition that we actually get along, just if your thoughts on us ever advance in a non-platonic direction. I can never understand it correctly. The one time I heard an LSI-3Se female discuss the specific attraction between herself and EII-1Nes (the chubby, somewhat logically erratic ones that are easily provoked to laughter but conversely become quite emotional when you spend too much time with them) she claimed to have no attraction toward them, that it was one-sided. But I am well aware that in the context of superego relations I may well be misinterpreting her words, that "attraction" does not mean the same thing for both types. Perhaps "respect" is more accurate a word in your perception? Clearly you find something interesting about us since many of you continue pursuing all kinds of opportunities with us even though you know collaboration with us never is the most dynamic or simple. You seem to like it as well. So I bid you tell me if my hopes for something mutual are legit or not, because I do not think it is wise for me to put myself out there if I am going to run into the same curb many others have due to misinterpretation. That is all. I promise I will do my best to understand you all correctly, but I never promised that I won't get offended and subsequently never respond to this thread again . But I will nevertheless like it very much for you all to contribute your thorough opinion as you see fit.

    Thanks - a curious EII

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    LSIs don't deserve EIIs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    LSIs are way less openly flirty
    Eh? Openly flirtatious LSEs? I guess I know of one old LSE who is sometimes flirtatious toward his wife, but only lighthearted teasing; nothing that would be deemed PDA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    they have this need to be loved?
    Doesn't everyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    I feel like with LSEs, it's hard to feel special because he'll treat you like any other girl he's been flirting with.
    Have you dated an LSE? Was he a flirt?
    I've thought of several LSEs, and none are flirts. SEEs are usually the flirtiest. IEIs, EIEs, SLEs, ILEs, IEEs, and ESEs can be flirts. But I'd also say different types flirt in different ways. (I don't know enough on the subject to point out differenced or compare dichotomies.

    I guess the flirtiest I get is to smile in a certain way when someone else says something that could be flirtatious. But that's just a way to ignore it without seeming rude; I don't actively encourage it.
    I might have initiated a flirt at some point in the past, but if so I didn't bother to remember.

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    I'm going on a dual search now
    Yay.

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    LSE are slow to recognize their feelings.
    Okay, this I'll admit.

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    Okay, I thought of a way an EII and LSE might flirt. I was thinking of a kind of teasing flirting I've seen in others. But I think LSE/EII would be more like: "I like your dog." "I like your hat." "I like your leash." "Thanks. It goes with my dog." "My hat goes with my head." "Nice head." "Really? I was thinking of getting a new one."
    It could also be a regular conversation, so there would have to be something to the facial expressions and the tone of voice to make it different. But it would require 1-1 focus; I don't see how one person could flit between flirting with one person and another, or how one could accomplish flirtation in just a few seconds.
    (If anyone who's observed the flirting of various types would be generous enough to make a chart or list of their observations, I'd like to see that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Okay, I thought of a way an EII and LSE might flirt. I was thinking of a kind of teasing flirting I've seen in others. But I think LSE/EII would be more like: "I like your dog." "I like your hat." "I like your leash." "Thanks. It goes with my dog." "My hat goes with my head." "Nice head." "Really? I was thinking of getting a new one."
    It could also be a regular conversation, so there would have to be something to the facial expressions and the tone of voice to make it different. But it would require 1-1 focus; I don't see how one person could flit between flirting with one person and another, or how one could accomplish flirtation in just a few seconds.
    (If anyone who's observed the flirting of various types would be generous enough to make a chart or list of their observations, I'd like to see that.)
    You should make a new thread, so as not to derail this one. I have some examples of dual types flirting, including an EII flirting with an LSE, but I don't want to derail this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    This thread has had 24 posts without a single LSI response.

    First post, I could use some clarification from you guys and I'm tired of waiting for it.

    Most of the LSIs I know are 3Se-sub, the especially playful, fit, frisky ones with stiff backs and perfectly proportionate faces (at least in youth). So are the majority of the LSIs I've seen post on here. Following question is for you:

    Do you actually find EIIs interesting?! Not on the condition that we actually get along, just if your thoughts on us ever advance in a non-platonic direction. I can never understand it correctly. The one time I heard an LSI-3Se female discuss the specific attraction between herself and EII-1Nes (the chubby, somewhat logically erratic ones that are easily provoked to laughter but conversely become quite emotional when you spend too much time with them) she claimed to have no attraction toward them, that it was one-sided. But I am well aware that in the context of superego relations I may well be misinterpreting her words, that "attraction" does not mean the same thing for both types. Perhaps "respect" is more accurate a word in your perception? Clearly you find something interesting about us since many of you continue pursuing all kinds of opportunities with us even though you know collaboration with us never is the most dynamic or simple. You seem to like it as well. So I bid you tell me if my hopes for something mutual are legit or not, because I do not think it is wise for me to put myself out there if I am going to run into the same curb many others have due to misinterpretation. That is all. I promise I will do my best to understand you all correctly, but I never promised that I won't get offended and subsequently never respond to this thread again . But I will nevertheless like it very much for you all to contribute your thorough opinion as you see fit.

    Thanks - a curious EII
    There are some really great EIIs who would make fantastic friends, but I've never even given a second look at any EII in a romantic sense. That is just my own personal experience, and clearly is not true for all LSIs or this thread probably wouldn't even exist. I have never had an attraction to any of them, but I'm also a straight female who would only be looking at the male EIIs anyway. I could see how the females might have some appeal to a male LSI, but I can't speak for them or anyone else but myself.

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