Video Type Me The Extended Questionnaire v0.2

[Olimpia]

No, I'm not buying it, I think you're just being controversial to get my attention. I think you have a crush on me or something

I'm not some fucking LSI nerd, are you kidding me?

Haha.
I was actually being serious.

[Myst]

Looks like you'll adopt the SLE typing for a while because most people suggest that it is the correct one.
Some time down the line, after more study and self-reflection, you'll realize SLE doesn't entirely fit as well as it should, and then you re-question things.
And then you may warm up again to LSI, and self-type as that.

This has been a common pattern for people like you. ^^'

Yeah that was exactly how it was for me lol.

Yeah, that's totally me I have taken it a while ago and I got LSI. As you might remember, I used to see myself as an ISTP back then. I'm not saying that I can't be an LSI, but after having gotten more into socionics I'm starting to question the idea that I would be a rational type. Because in mbti terms it would make sense since ISTPs are perceivers, but the LSI is described as being very structured, which I'm not. Anyways, I'm still open for other ideas

ISTPs often type as SLE-Ti or SLI in Socionics.

No, I'm not buying it, I think you're just being controversial to get my attention. I think you have a crush on me or something

I'm not some fucking LSI nerd, are you kidding me?

She's IEI, should type you SLE in that case

SLE-Ti's are often nerds, this isn't really type related in that way

[darya]

I highly doubt you are rational - either SLE or SLI (probably the former).

[Olimpia]

I'm gonna need an explanation why you think I'm an LSI. All these people agree that I'm an SLE, and they can back it up with good reasons

Well, my first impression was based on your energy level and "distribution" that reminded me of Ij opposed to Ep, on your communication style that is rather "Cold-blooded", and simply on my recollection of LSIs I have come across and how they act, and you fit that better than SLEs I have seen. (Here is an example of an SLE I have recently come across on YT. See the difference?)

Based on your behaviour, I find Fe seeking more likely than Fe HA. Or in other words, 1D Fe seems to fit better. A lot of SLEs actively try to be engaging or humorous in their +Fe HA kind of way. To be honest, on my VERY first impression all I got was ISTx. For a few seconds, I wondered about whether you were SLI or LSI. But afterwards, what you said was rather Beta Quadra (Se, Fe valuing) and so forth, and you didn't made Te statements as an SLI with Te Creative would.

I am assuming that many people type you as SLE because a lot of people don't come across Beta STs on here, and are sensitive towards that in a way.
So, when they see a guy who is fairly masculine and Beta ST (and likely Se subtype), they are quick to assume SLE.

To give a more detailed explanation, I'd have to pick apart your statements in the video, or better pick apart your statements from a typing questionnaire.
However, I don't really feel like doing that. I used to do that more often for free in the past, but now I only do that when people personally request it from me, etc.

[Jake]

Hmm I don't remember you, were you one of the guys who uploaded a video to get typed? What was your username?

Interesting, could you explain why you think I'm an SLI? I'm asking because most people said SLE or LSI. Someone else also said SLI actually

Edit: Does the world socionics society have professionals who interview you online?

Yes, cedarsprings.

Weak Fe but I don't think it's valued. I think there's more of a focus on Fi. There's also your focus on independence and free-thinking mentality which led me to think strong Ti. So Ti is in your mental block somewhere (Functions 1,
2, 7, & 8). This leaves LIE, ILI, LSE, or SLI. Reading what you've said to a couple of other people on this post, you seem to have a good handle on Se, but you only use it when necessary. Which led me to think Se is also in your mental block; which leaves LSE or SLI. Your free-thinking mentality doesn't seem to be in the ignoring position, instead you would've just focused on the facts and appreciated individuals who stick close to what is known to be true at all times and places. This left me to conclude with SLI.

Yes WSS does have 'professionals' (not DarkAngelFireWolf69 or anyone like that, but still really good typers & extremely knowledgeable) type you.

[Myst]

Thank you, these are some good points actually. Someone else also pointed out that I seemed to have super low energy levels. I had been working all day and I was really tired, so the video probably made me seem more introverted than I am. My job is very physically demanding, and I never slack at work, so naturally I get tired. It also feels a bit weird for me to talk to a camera, It's different when I talk to actual people, I'm by no means shy.

That being said, I have to admit that I'm nowhere near as energetic as the guy in the video haha. But this guy is obviously used to making videos, and just as people on forums are sensitive to people appearing extroverted as you mentioned, you also have to keep in mind that youtube personalities are not your average guys, people like him are very extroverted. Also, on a personal note, I haven't really been super happy with my life lately, my job sucks and I don't really have a stable social life that I used to have, so that has been really draining for me.

But all in all, I think you might be onto something, I dunno. I'll read some more about the temperaments and the "cold-blooded" thing hehe.

Also, doesn't the IEs go beyond typical behaviours in a sense? I thought that the bottom line was that Se is concerned with power and stuff while Ti is more analytical. I feel like my motivations are more towards Se, I don't really care about rules and things like that, at least not that much

I agree with @Cassandra on the points of you having not displayed any Fe HA so far, both in the video (the part I watched anyway) and here in your type thread (seemed more 1D Fe-ish the way you engaged with @Aylen) or other posts of yours that I've seem.

Your complaint here on not having the stable social life could also be Fe seeking. See also about how Fe suggestive differs from Fe mobilizing here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Dmitry-Golihov - these descriptions show very well how essentially the suggestive function is what determines what place we are seeking where the suggestive is ensured to be in a good condition, while mobilizing can deal with issues with a bit more autonomy.

As for Se, I have more of a conscious focus on Se myself. Supposedly that's a Creative/Contact subtype thing with the strengthened focus on Se.

I didn't look at that video of the supposed SLE but, assuming he's really SLE, observe the Fe usage of his. Relate or not?

Communication styles: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ication-styles

Weak Fe but I don't think it's valued. I think there's more of a focus on Fi. There's also your focus on independence and free-thinking mentality which led me to think strong Ti. So Ti is in your mental block somewhere (Functions 1,
2, 7, & 8). This leaves LIE, ILI, LSE, or SLI. Reading what you've said to a couple of other people on this post, you seem to have a good handle on Se, but you only use it when necessary. Which led me to think Se is also in your mental block; which leaves LSE or SLI. Your free-thinking mentality doesn't seem to be in the ignoring position, instead you would've just focused on the facts and appreciated individuals who stick close to what is known to be true at all times and places. This left me to conclude with SLI.

Why do you think Fe is not valued?

Mental block is not functions 1, 2, 7, 8 but 1, 2, 3 and 4.

[Jake]

Why do you think Fe is not valued?

Mental block is not functions 1, 2, 7, 8 but 1, 2, 3 and 4.

Oh woops, I just meant the Base, Creative, Ignoring & Demonstrative.
As far as Fe valuing vs. Fi valuing:

Viktor showed an emphasis on stability and reliability of relationships with friends and family and prioritising people based on judgment of the individuals themselves. This is all opposed to striving for emotional experiences and showing their passions and moods and treating others as a collective.

[squark]

um i dont see you as lsi

Yeah, if he was LSI he'd love pushing people around just for fun. And punching babies and kicking kittens in his spare time too.

[Aylen]

Yeah, if he was LSI he'd love pushing people around just for fun. And punching babies and kicking kittens in his spare time too.

[Tonatiuh]

[x]

Kul att se en svenne till!

[Tonatiuh]

Ja fan, detsamma! Hejja knugen!

Idag bjuder hans majestät knugen påååååå! Gryta brun..

[Tonatiuh]

Joke aside. I'm not schooled in the socionics system, like at all. For what it's worth, from an myers-briggs perspective you seem ISTP.

[Singu]

What do you think of the country that you live in, Sweden?

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah, if he was LSI he'd love pushing people around just for fun. And punching babies and kicking kittens in his spare time too.

I didn't mean it that way

He's looking at people's behavior more than job performance

[Myst]

Oh woops, I just meant the Base, Creative, Ignoring & Demonstrative.
As far as Fe valuing vs. Fi valuing:

Viktor showed an emphasis on stability and reliability of relationships with friends and family and prioritising people based on judgment of the individuals themselves. This is all opposed to striving for emotional experiences and showing their passions and moods and treating others as a collective.

I also like consistency in relationships. That doesn't oppose striving for emotional experiences at all.

What do you mean by "prioritising people based on judgment of the individuals themselves"?

[Jake]

I also like consistency in relationships. That doesn't oppose striving for emotional experiences at all.

What do you mean by "prioritising people based on judgment of the individuals themselves"?

Consistency is more of an L-based trait.

I mean being open/closed to people who the individual feels close to. 'Psychological distance', in other words.
For instance, I'll be closed off to someone I deem as untrustworthy even if somebody I'm close to says that in fact they are trustworthy. Basically only because I feel they are untrustworthy and the subjective evaluation holds the highest priority in my mind.

[Myst]

Consistency is more of an L-based trait.

Same thing to me as the "stability and reliability". All that's based on consistency. Call it Ti with Si demo, whatever.

I mean being open/closed to people who the individual feels close to. 'Psychological distance', in other words.
For instance, I'll be closed off to someone I deem as untrustworthy even if somebody I'm close to says that in fact they are trustworthy. Basically only because I feel they are untrustworthy and the subjective evaluation holds the highest priority in my mind.

I have enough autonomy for my Ti/Fi to be able to make such judgments myself. What makes this specifically Fi valuing for @Viktor?

SLE-Ti seems reasonable.

When you are around people for prolonged periods of time (like fun stimulating events or parties) do you feel energized or drained?

An introvert would feel drained and want to hide and energize by himself for a few days afterwards, whereas an extrovert would be on top of the world and feel great.

Also, would you feel emotionally fine if you spent a a week by yourself with little physical human interaction, or would seclusion like that make you feel like you were losing your mind?

Just to add something on the introvert vs extravert issue in general, I judge this by seeing what role the person takes in duality interactions - this can be seen with other people too, but easiest to see here, just it requires analyzing out if the interaction itself is duality, also easy enough to see with other people who are the same on I/E as the dual. If playing the receptive role more then an introvert, if playing the active initiative taking role more, an extravert. What also may complicate this is strong Creative functions, an introvert can be initiative taking in that area, and an extravert more passive in that area. But overall there should be a good visible trend even for such ambiverts.

With your questions, I would say that I feel normal, ok around people, if I can focus on a task I'm working on. Fun events can also be good, if there is enough "nonverbal" stuff going on and not too much talking. Not drained in these cases then. I would feel fine if I spent a week by myself but after some days I might notice here and there for a second that I'm emotionally a tiny bit more flat than my optimal state. It's hard to get aware of this fully for a long enough time, though. Would you see me as an introvert or extravert based on that... I see that as just Fe seeking.

[Myst]

This will be somewhat off topic, but would you personally conciser yourself an ambivert? (It's something that socionics doesn't really adress, imo.)

I tend to score really high on introversion when I take personality tests. Personally for me, loud events like parties or concerts drain me pretty bad, even if the atmosphere is great and I'm having a lot of fun. I need at least 2-3 days by myself afterwards to recuperate, otherwise I will have a mental breakdown, lol.

I can also go days without talking to people and I will hardly notice.

Yes definitely an ambivert. I wonder if OP relates to that.

[Myst]

No, listen, I've always had many friends and I still do, I'm just in a complicated situation right now. As you might remember, I got into a fight with a friend, and as a consequence I'm not around that group anymore. I could if I wanted to, they still ask me to come with them, it's not that bad, I just don't like them. And I make new friends all the time, it's not an issue. Actually, I don't think I am Fe seeking or whatever, because I don't like to be invited into groups, because then I have to schedule my life after them all the time. I only ever do social things because I want to do something, and then I get some friend together, I never go along with a group simply because I'm lonely

Edit: If anything, the fact that this situation makes me feel drained is a sign that I'm an extrovert

Lol, Fe seeking isn't about going along with a group because of feeling lonely.

Anyway, where you say you would have to schedule your life after them all the time, I don't get what you mean by that. Do you feel a compulsion to go out with them whenever they ask or wtf?

Did you read the links btw? Any good?

[Myst]

No I don't feel any compulsion. Here's the thing, I only have so many nights to go out, because I work weekends a lot. And you have to commit to social groups, if you only meet them every now and then you'll be like an outsider. It's different when you know them well ofcourse, but if you find new people you have to make an effort to get to know them.

Edit: No I forgot about the links, I'll read them later

I only asked because of how you worded it "all the time" lol. OK.

[Myst]

See this is what I mean when I say that LSIs are nitpicky, you get hung up on details. You should try programming, you'd be amazing at it

Heh I know a few programming languages but I only really like the more low level ones

Did Business communication style and Fe mobilizing (with Se leading, Ti creative, Ni suggestive) at that link fit?

[Myst]

Business communication works really well for me, it's very important to me that I'm the breadwinner in a relationship. I wouldn't mind having a housewife, If my income was high enough to support an entire family. This is the kind of stuff I fantasize about hahah. I'm not attracted to powerful or very openly opinionionated women because they'd get in the way, it would be hard for me to relax around them.

Heh that does sound 4D Te there. My fantasies are slightly different, so to speak. Openly opinionated feelers are pretty attractive to me, yah, I can understand if you look more for IxFx than ExFx.

I can relate to the Ti creative description, because I like to explain things. I actually had a youtube channel where I compared MBTI types. I wasn't even that good at it, I just like to explain things because saying it out loud helps me to understand it myself. My LII friend makes fun of me for making really simplified explanations of things, I'm a bit of a "captain obvious". I will teach people things they already know, and I will make the same points over and over again until I get a response from them that shows that they get what I'm saying. So Ti creative is totally me, even the part about learning about unexplored areas and being the first to explore an idea. That's why I like jungian typology because it's pretty vague and I feel like I can make up my own rules for typing, because very few people take it seriously anyways. I'm also a bit of a trend setter with my friends, often I will discover something and tell the LII and ILI about it, and then they'll surpass me in nerdiness about it and forget that I stared with it. Most of our common interests are things that I like.

This does sound like Ti creative af. The way you talk here, you remind me of an SLE-Ti guy.

As for Fe HA, I agree that it is less pronounced in my personality, but it definitely works for me, I can relate to it. Especially the part about recognition and honor. As a child and teenager I used to have sport medals all over my wall, it's important that people know about my acheivements, I brag a lot. I love flattery, please tell me about how great I am haha. Also the part about being liked, again with the fight with my friend, the leader of the group didn't respect me which was enough for me to leave the group completely. I absolutely hate to be ignored or looked down upon, I can't deal with it

Guess it was just you being initially reserved then.

Very last parts (group stuff including fight, not letting myself be ignored) I relate to too, maybe general Se ego stuff, I dunno.

[wacey]

I feel better when I've spend time with people, if I get to choose between going out or staying at home I always go out. If I spent an entire week with little or no human interaction I'd propably feel like shit.

Well that alone might rule out SLI.

What your last sentence suggests to me is that you've never actually spent a week alone before because you used the word "if" (hypotheticals). Unless you have?

SLI have a tendency to hermit in their homes and maybe socialize sporadically.

Then again there are always exceptions and differences.

[wacey]

Only if I had a good reason, for example if I paid someone to work for me and he was constantly slacking or complaining I would have no problem "pushing him around" to show that I disagree with his behavior and that he needs to take more responsibility. However, I would not bully an employee simply because it's fun, I think that would be bad leadership, and also inefficient because I would stirr up unnecessary conflict. I only bully people who need to have someone straighten them up, if that makes sense

I could have written this paragraph myself about myself, so its probably not entirelly you. Several sociotypes could pull off this style of thinking in similar fashion.

[wacey]

See this is what I mean when I say that LSIs are nitpicky, you get hung up on details. You should try programming, you'd be amazing at it

Lol. She is just trying to help don't you think?

[wacey]

I have a close confirmed SLE friend who is a very accurate sociotyper. I will run your video by her next time we skype and get her opinion for you. She is super trust worthy for this kind of thing.

(Btw Nordic people are wicked. Love your cultures. People in Canada share many of the same values because we are also close to nature)

[Myst]

Well it depends on where you draw the limit. Complete social isolation for a week? Hell no, I'd go insane. But I get plenty of social interaction at work, so if by social isolation you mean being alone after work then I'd have no problem with that, as long as I at least get to meet someone on the weekends. And if I do spend time after work alone, which I do most of the actually, I'm going to at least chat with friends on facebook and stuff. Anyways, if I just sit down and not do anything and just be alone with my thoughts I get anxious. I don't know if anxious is the right word, I don't like it at least. I make weird noises in the car when I drive long distances to distract myself lol

Fun SLE stuff. (Btw for subtype, SLE-Ti, not SLE-Se, IMO.)

I don't get anxious myself if I was just to sit down like that, I just get very bored soon unless I do have something to think out for some practical issue. Usually nah I "think it out" on the move. With being in the car for that long... I'd just watch the road and the moving scene details. Zero thoughts for the most part.

[Singu]

I would type Sweden as EII... and I think Canada is also typed as EII, but it could also be SEI.