
Originally Posted by
Bertrand
it all goes to Fi v Ti creative. Fi creative uses its attitudes to influence outcomes towards its aims judged in a Te sense. In other words SEE judges their self esteem in light of their ability to leverage their attitudes in order to accomplish goals (Te mobilizing). All of this is viewed through the lens of Se which is power sensing. What that means is SEE is oriented at securing "territory" via creatively expressing their attitude towards things, and bases its self esteem on how successful it is at doing that
Ti creative is more securing territory by establishing a Ti order in the minds of those around, so instead of trying to transmit values and attitudes and thus shared "relationships" in terms of ethics, it does so by propagating logical interpretations and schemes, but it judges its own self esteem not in terms of its own ability to meet its goals, but in how its received by the environment emotionally (Fe--remind you of anyone?)... in this way you could say everything they do is in some sense at the behest of the group "ethical request"
at its most general, and from the outside, they're both trying to conquer via subordinating others to "rational" schema of their creation, one just does it in a more emotive/ethical/relational sense, the other in a more logical/strict/hierarchical way
the way you can determine that, if you're struggling, is by looking at quadral values. SLE is more social hierarchy (Ti/Fe) i.e aristocratic, whereas SEE is democratic. SEE is more interested in real fairness not as a buzzword, inasmuch as such a thing is possible. SLE is likely to use notions of fairness in a subjective coercive manner in order to implement a decidedly "unfair" hierarchy in terms of rights and privileges. Each side in some sense will accuse the other of being guilty of this, because they have fundamentally opposing definitions of what "fair" looks like. You can think of it like this: over time SLE would slide into rigid potentially brutal authoritarianism, whereas SEE would devolve into disorganized limitless jockeying by every tom dick and harry with no clear hierarchy beyond the case each individual can make for their own rightness