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    Post Integral types: Delta countries

    Australia (IEE)
    Finland (SLI)
    Germany (LSE)
    Japan (SLI)
    Norway (EII)
    Sweden (EII)

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    Strangely enough, true ^^.
    What lead to the developpement of the "type of the country" ? Cultural ? % of types ? History ?

    Do you know how was germany before the war ? It's easy to imagine that it have turned "LSE" in order to appologize to the eyes of the world from IEI moment while WW2. That can be false, I don't know that much Germany culture before WWI. Or it have always been (LSE) or at least long before war, and ****** was the product of an LSE culture by kinda frustration, or more simply because IEI add to the LSE culture what directly lack in this culture (wich lead to massive approbation, IEI idea appeared truer than current management).

    edit : there is always the problem of projection, too. When you read some part of mein kampf or some ideology present at this moment, it's quite clear that from a socionic eyes ****** projected some kind of delta stuff he hated onto Jew (in your system Jew would be whatever delta). Many mind bug can participate to the creation of a country type (I don't think that much what you say have no validity, just sayin. Actually Ive often thought the same for Norway and Sweden. And interestingly, various IEE Ive known have gone to Australia after college. Perhaps they like kangourou :/ ).

    What is USA ? Currently, somewhat SLE but at global scale ?
    There was an hypothesis that france was SEI, but this don't fit that much with our grouchy tendencies ^^
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    Do you really feel like Japan values Si? Traditional Japanese culture, yes, you can see the roots in Zen buddhism, but nowadays I feel like they devalue comfort and culturally have a notion of constant self-sacrifice in order to reach success, which id put more in line with Gamma.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Germany is supposedly LSI.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    I thought Sweden had a different atmosphere than Norway. Oslo vs Stockholm.
    Germany is a place where Se is valued, LSI. Beer helps the suggestive Fe. Dunno about other countries.
    Switzerland can be Delta as well. EII ? All Swiss girls i know are veggies, lol.

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    At the end Swiss is perhaps the LSE of the affair ?

    This would still fit the girls example (as they are trying to please the gvt x) )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Do you really feel like Japan values Si? Traditional Japanese culture, yes, you can see the roots in Zen buddhism, but nowadays I feel like they devalue comfort and culturally have a notion of constant self-sacrifice in order to reach success, which id put more in line with Gamma.
    Actually, Japan values Si a lot. Look at how they present their food, it has to look immaculate and appealing to the senses. The food culture is also huge, like in France. The people are always talking about eating (good food), and it's about the only thing that they do in their free time.

    I think the self-sacrifice is more of an E6 thing. Japan is also a very E6 country, and they're very obedient to authority. Perfectionism (Ne) and constant self-improvement are also a theme of Delta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Germany is supposedly LSI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr inappropriate View Post
    Germany is a place where Se is valued, LSI. Beer helps the suggestive Fe. Dunno about other countries.
    Switzerland can be Delta as well. EII ? All Swiss girls i know are veggies, lol.
    This was written by an LSE on another forum, and it seems like an accurate description of Delta ST to me:

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    Efficiency is not connected with time-conserving per se. For example, Delta ST idea of efficiency is more about quality and making a durable product, which can be used with convenience that is unrestricted by time constraints, 'cause Si is valued and Ni is devalued. They can be very concerned and rigid about time, hurrying people up for no real purpose, but it happens due to having poor Ni in Super-ego. In other words, they are aware of society demands on Ni account, but their own Ni is rather weak and unable to access situations creatively.
    That sounds like Germany, and both Japan and Germany are picky about quality products and people being on time. They are both somewhat similar in a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    This was written by an LSE on another forum, and it seems like an accurate description of Delta ST to me:



    That sounds like Germany, and both Japan and Germany are picky about quality products and people being on time. They are both somewhat similar in a way.
    German quality is different; more shiny, expansive, luxurious rather than durability emphasis.

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    Bump. Like I just posted in the other thread:

    I lived in Germany. Definitely LSI.

    I think the second day I moved in I got a pamphlet saying: "Have you seen some stranger lurking around in the neighbourhoud? Call the authorities at once!". No one wants to have anything to do with neighbours or goes about it in a very awkward way. There is no Fe at all. Like I got asked who I was, what I was doing here like I was some gangster by random people several times while entering my own building.(Like wtf? WHO ARE YOU TO ASK? I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!*) Very aristocratic paranoid Ne- Polr kind of thinking.

    And this obsession with big shiny BMW cars to show off your status is definitely not delta.

    *I actually heard in the German news recently that a guy got jailed because he refused to obey to a policeman before seeing his badge. Very very beta move, aggressing and jailing people when your authority is 'questioned'. The state has the monopoly of violence, but in Germany there is no counterpower to it.
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    @Pookie, Japan is LSI or ESI, IMO.
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    idk just like celebrities everyone will see a different side of a "country" and be very convinced in their "socionics typing" of it lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    @Pookie, Japan is LSI or ESI, IMO.
    Too detached to be ESI
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    Nordic area is very delta. Lots of distance, not much people, personal freedom to do reclusive things.

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    I’ve always been fascinated by the Scandinavian countries too, but I haven’t been to any.
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