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    Default Enneagram "Temperament"

    http://enneasite.com/articles/the-temperaments/

    Despite the issues I have with a lot of the content on this site (E6 = Forer effect in the popular consciousness now, thanks Sky ReArrangers™/WRATS™, also all the instinct stacking nonsense), this seems like something you can perceive in people sort of just off the bat from what I've seen. It also seems to be somewhat tied in with socionics introversion and extraversion. I haven't done a whole lot of looking for this, but so far, these seem to be the rules:

    Any compliant type - Automatically med temp confirm and final
    Assertive extratims or withdrawn introtims - Ditto
    Assertive introtims - Low temp (brrrrrr)
    Withdrawn extratims - High temp (someone get a fan in here)

    I have not seen any other combinations whatsoever. The last two categories seem to be the ones that get mistyped the most, even though they're not super rare despite being somewhat uncommon. This also gives the bell-curve-ish distribution you see despite the elements that go into it being randomly distributed.

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    Yay, one more label to tack onto my enneagram type.

    I'm probably 'medium' temperament. How exciting.

    I'm not completely sure of my enneagram type but my current tentative type is 9w1-5w6-3w4 sp/so/sx, mid temperament, mid level of health.
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    I am a introverted withdrawn and low temp. =) I just rediscovered this article and makes so much sense of how some soc lasts even withdrawns can seem super upbeat and and frantic hihi I love when things makes sense aa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I am a introverted withdrawn and low temp. =) I just rediscovered this article and makes so much sense of how some soc lasts even withdrawns can seem super upbeat and and frantic hihi I love when things makes sense aa
    That's not soc last, Ghost. I also never knew you were completely indifferent to social activity of any kind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    That's not soc last, Ghost. I also never knew you were completely indifferent to social activity of any kind
    Hmm? What is not soc last?
    Everyone has all of the instincts, I have social last but I still have social, so no I am not indifferent to social activity. I hate socializing with people I have zero interest including family. I just don't socialize for the sake of socializing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Hmm? What is not soc last?
    Everyone has all of the instincts, I have social last but I still have social, so no I am not indifferent to social activity. I hate socializing with people I have zero interest including family. I just don't socialize for the sake of socializing.
    There are occasionally people who don't care about socializing much at all. And TIL being able to be mad at or bored with certain people and blow them off because you have better things to do with your time than chat everyone up indiscriminately 24/7 with the hope that they'll stop being maddening or boring or just because (also know as ignoring people) is social last rather than an extremely common if not universal behavior, thanks enneagram.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    There are occasionally people who don't care about socializing much at all. And TIL being able to be mad at or bored with certain people and blow them off because you have better things to do with your time than chat everyone up indiscriminately 24/7 with the hope that they'll stop being maddening or boring or just because (also know as ignoring people) is social last rather than an extremely common if not universal behavior, thanks enneagram.
    It's much more intuitive than anything you say...
    The problem you have is that you want to over-rationalize everything and like the 5 you are you miss the "body" of an idea, and misinterpret.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    And TIL being able to be mad at or bored with certain people and blow them off because you have better things to do with your time than chat everyone up indiscriminately 24/7 with the hope that they'll stop being maddening or boring or just because (also know as ignoring people) is social last rather than an extremely common if not universal behavior, thanks enneagram.
    If this new modification to the Enneagram system is about taking into account even more traits to a given personality, there's no reason you should blow this off as "universal behavior" when it pretty clearly matches up with the things implied by "high-temp."


    I'll say it again: NTR is the most common and tactlessly employed defense on a forum that's supposed to be about taxonomizing personalities according to near-scientifically staunch criteria. For the love of God, we're talking about a system designed to round up people for the Gulag.


    Quote Originally Posted by Frogman View Post
    Alot of people think I am social first or second and I can tell you I am not: (I have to put this colon here or it wouldn't read right... I wish I knew of some grammar tactic that could do this more aesthetically pleasingly ) considering having dominant So simply because of my social activity and willingness, I would be dead last for that, so if that's what people think I am then I am now sp/sx.

    Why I do consider it is because I find comfort among people, and enjoy some sort of rapport or sense of oneness for any group I happen to be with. I love the idea of mutual dependence, making sure no one .. dies I guess.

    But given what most people think of so instinct I don't know why I have to have it of all people. I don't relate at all to mainstream social instinct, being actively involved in communities and making sure you're caught up with everyone you know, and always attending social events and being hip with all the news. I am extremely avoidant and dislike the inconvenience of talking to people i don't care about (and also forget to talk to people I do care about), which is most people. I am friendly to people who talk to me, but I don't go out of my way to have verbal sex with everyone, primarily because for someone like me it is not energy efficient and doesn't go anywhere for either of us. Which is why if someone finds interest in me then I trust their instinct that we could be of use to eachother, and happily agree to talk and maybe be friends, since I don't trust my own instinct for approaching anyone. Unrelated but this is also a reason why I am the opposite of having strong Fe/Fi according to alot of definitions.


    Basically, when typing me, my type defaults to the lowest energy one. And it's a shame that So has to do all that work yet Sp does jack shit and therefore I default to sp. I relate much more to thinking patterns and less so behavioural definitions, since the latter usually vary in how much energy is used, while the former doesn't even discuss how much you do and just what is the reason behind what you do.
    Crucifying oneself for group harmony on a day-to-day basis has to be draining. You'd probably benefit from letting a bit of psycho show now and then.

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    Health level swings - check
    H-bomb anger - check
    No filter- check
    Excitable, intense, talks - check
    Assertive - check
    Can mimic counterphobia - sometimes
    Fast time perception - check

    HIGH TEMPPPPP!!
    AHHHH


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    Assertive intorim, low temp, yup.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    E6 is not med-temp. It's high-temp. Or else everything I've ever been told about this type is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alioth View Post
    E6 is not med-temp. It's high-temp. Or else everything I've ever been told about this type is a lie.
    The whole purpose with this temperament idea is that any type can have any temperament, so it will explain differences in types, and why a type can seem like another, hence the 'high-temp seem like assertive type, medium like compliant' and so on. So there arent any "6s can only be medium-temp" etc.

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    Introverted Withdrawn (with little to no error, it's literally the only type(s) I can be) and I don't know how to choose a temperament based off these brief descriptions but I'll just say Low because it makes sense.


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    Alot of people think I am social first or second and I can tell you I am not: (I have to put this colon here or it wouldn't read right... I wish I knew of some grammar tactic that could do this more aesthetically pleasingly ) considering having dominant So simply because of my social activity and willingness, I would be dead last for that, so if that's what people think I am then I am now sp/sx.

    Why I do consider it is because I find comfort among people, and enjoy some sort of rapport or sense of oneness for any group I happen to be with. I love the idea of mutual dependence, making sure no one .. dies I guess.

    But given what most people think of so instinct I don't know why I have to have it of all people. I don't relate at all to mainstream social instinct, being actively involved in communities and making sure you're caught up with everyone you know, and always attending social events and being hip with all the news. I am extremely avoidant and dislike the inconvenience of talking to people i don't care about (and also forget to talk to people I do care about), which is most people. I am friendly to people who talk to me, but I don't go out of my way to have verbal sex with everyone, primarily because for someone like me it is not energy efficient and doesn't go anywhere for either of us. Which is why if someone finds interest in me then I trust their instinct that we could be of use to eachother, and happily agree to talk and maybe be friends, since I don't trust my own instinct for approaching anyone. Unrelated but this is also a reason why I am the opposite of having strong Fe/Fi according to alot of definitions.


    Basically, when typing me, my type defaults to the lowest energy one. And it's a shame that So has to do all that work yet Sp does jack shit and therefore I default to sp. I relate much more to thinking patterns and less so behavioural definitions, since the latter usually vary in how much energy is used, while the former doesn't even discuss how much you do and just what is the reason behind what you do.
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