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    In Japan, there are three one-line poems taught to schoolchildren which are associated with the three great military leaders and unifiers of Japan: Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa Ieyasu. They are thus:

    1. If the cuckoo does not sing, kill it. (Nobunaga)
    2. If the cuckoo does not sing, coax it. (Hideyoshi)
    3. If the cuckoo does not sing, wait for it. (Ieyasu)

    1. Nobunaga was the most ruthless of the three unifiers, and was most likely an SLE. He relied upon force and senselessly slaughtered his enemies. He constantly pursued novelty.
    2. Hideyoshi was the most shrewd of the three and most likely an ILE. Through his great resourcefulness, he rose from being a peasant to Imperial Regent.
    3. Ieyasu was the most perseverant of the three. He valued patience and planning, and vacillated between great compassion and great cruelty.

    Since I am in no way an authority on this subject, I would love others' opinions. Hideyoshi could be an Ni user, and Ieyasu could be an Ij.

    http://www.samurai-archives.com/nobunaga.html
    http://www.samurai-archives.com/ieyasu.html
    http://www.samurai-archives.com/hideyoshi.html

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    I think Nobunaga is SLE
    I think Hideoyoshi is EIE not ILE
    Ieyasu I think is ESI

    One thing about ILE is they do not coax, like SLE's they're more likely to polarize and although they don't do the whole kill it aspect of SLE, they would just invent a cuckoo that sings, instead of dealing with the cuckoo that doesn't sing. The live and let live aspect of alpha is not the more forceful mentality of decisive quadras.

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