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    I have never been a fan of introductions, but here I am. As far as my type goes I am probably an LII, but occasionally I feel more like an ILI, ILE, or an SLI.

    I have had some interest in MBTI for a few years, but I immediately dumped it in favor of Socionics. Some of my other hobbies/interests are computer science, math, weightlifting, skiing, and gaming.

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    Great to have you here, welcome Did you get into enneagram as well?

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    Thanks, it's good to be here.

    I have taken a few enneagram tests, but I never studied it in depth. I usually get some variation of 5, 4, and 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syynth View Post
    Thanks, it's good to be here.

    I have taken a few enneagram tests, but I never studied it in depth. I usually get some variation of 5, 4, and 1.
    Cool! You could read into tritype, wing theory, triads, core fears, integration and desintegration. Tests are sort of unreliable, so yeah Although 541 for a logical type, I think it gives you a good direction to start with. How advanced is your socionics knowledge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Cool! You could read into tritype, wing theory, triads, core fears, integration and desintegration. Tests are sort of unreliable, so yeah Although 541 for a logical type, I think it gives you a good direction to start with. How advanced is your socionics knowledge?
    Huh, I didn't think enneagram was that complex. I had previously thought of it as something boring like the Big Five system. Is there a website that is generally regarded as having the best information about enneagram?

    As for socionics I have read just about everything that has been translated. Right now I am most interested developing skills for identifying the types of other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syynth View Post
    Huh, I didn't think enneagram was that complex. I had previously thought of it as something boring like the Big Five system. Is there a website that is generally regarded as having the best information about enneagram?

    As for socionics I have read just about everything that has been translated. Right now I am most interested developing skills for identifying the types of other people.
    It depends on how complicated you want to make it lmao But it's lit! The exciting part is knowing about motivations, growth opportunities, strengths, that stuff. Also, it's easier to notice in social contexts because it's action-based unlike socionics which is about how we perceive information.

    Here you go, I hope it's helpful:

    General Discussion

    Type Descriptions

    General Theory

    More about Tritypes

    Another aspect of the enneagram would be instinctual variants, but I see you were visiting my blog so you're in good hands about that. But for more extensive overview on that: tadahhh. If you need more actual examples, here's a good celebrity enneagram and stacking list.
    You read everything!! You animal Super good! For sociotyping, check out the quadra threads where people post type examples. Our problem here is that consensus is difficult, even some socionists disagree on benchmark lists. For more practical identifying look into the "What's my type" section where the members post questionnaires about themselves, that's the best way to put everything you learned right into productive action. And that's it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syynth View Post
    I have had some interest in MBTI for a few years, but I immediately dumped it in favor of Socionics.


    Enneagram is not nearly as deep or as "real" as socionics, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post


    Enneagram is not nearly as deep or as "real" as socionics, IMO.
    Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post


    Enneagram is not nearly as deep or as "real" as socionics, IMO.
    Enneagram digs up the shittiest parts of yourself, how is that not deep Concerning realness, what do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    Why not?
    It just isn't. Socionics can model just about everything a person says or does. Some people seem not to fit very well into any Enneagram type, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Enneagram digs up the shittiest parts of yourself, how is that not deep Concerning realness, what do you mean?
    depth = how deeply it's possible to understand it.
    real = corresponding to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    It just isn't. Socionics can model just about everything a person says or does. Some people seem not to fit very well into any Enneagram type, too.



    depth = how deeply it's possible to understand it.
    real = corresponding to reality.
    This still doesn't really answer my question. Why can't enneagram model what a person says or does? Why can't one understand enneagram in as much depth as socionics? How do we know enneagram doesn't correspond as much to reality as socionics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    This still doesn't really answer my question. Why can't enneagram model what a person says or does?
    It's mostly limited to the static (long-term, generalized) aspect of personality because it has no concept of information metabolism. I suppose growth and decay stuff is dynamic but it seems much less fleshed-out.

    Why can't one understand enneagram in as much depth as socionics?
    Because it's not as "real" as socionics

    How do we know enneagram doesn't correspond as much to reality as socionics?
    I've looked into the Enneagram and it just doesn't seem to correspond to reality as much. Though tbh, it's been a while since I've seriously looked into it and I'm not sure that I can give you a concrete example. In any case it doesn't seem like the depth of understanding of Enneagram practitioners is in any way comparable to those of socionics practitioners, and most of what it deals with can also be explained by socionics. That's why I don't use it personally.

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