Ashton

[ArchonAlarion]

Lol bs. Have you ever watched Parks and Recreation? I think Ron Swanson is based off of Chris Langan.

[Gilly]

The only similarity there is the moustache and the sorta full face. Again, the gaze is totally different.

What? Seriously? Their gaze is like the only thing they have in common LOL

[Gilly]

lol the only thing Workaholic saw as soon as she read my post was:

"BITCH, YOU'RE ONLY TYPING HIM THAT SHIT BECAUSE YOU WANT HIM IN YOUR QUADRA" and, "HELL THE FUCK NO HE'S MY CONFLICTOR"

I actually don't think it's at all a retarded suggestion. I still think he is LIE, but LSI is a much better approximation than the oft-proposed EIE and SLE. However I think Ashton seems generally much more scattered than LSIs, and his speech is much more rapid and punctuated. Also he doesn't really value Fe in any way; he responds to Fe with a similar kind of bemusement I've seem with Te/Fi rationals, rather than the "going along with it" feeling I get from LSIs.

[Suz]

lol the only thing Workaholic saw as soon as she read my post was:

"BITCH, YOU'RE ONLY TYPING HIM THAT SHIT BECAUSE YOU WANT HIM IN YOUR QUADRA" and, "HELL THE FUCK NO HE'S MY CONFLICTOR"

Well...that's the only thing that i could see as possible based on what I know about Ashton.

And I think you're trying to say that i was like "there's no way in hell he's my conflictor" and i think that's quite true. There's no way he's my conflictor. We can talk for hours and bond over Fi issues.

[Suz]

I actually don't think it's at all a retarded suggestion. I still think he is LIE, but LSI is a much better approximation than the oft-proposed EIE and SLE. However I think Ashton seems generally much more scattered than LSIs, and his speech is much more rapid and punctuated. Also he doesn't really value Fe in any way; he responds to Fe with a similar kind of bemusement I've seem with Te/Fi rationals, rather than the "going along with it" feeling I get from LSIs.

Well I do agree that EIE and SLE are even worse suggestions than LSI. But I just cant see him as a non Fi-valuing type. Not at all...

[Suz]

What? Seriously? Their gaze is like the only thing they have in common LOL

really u think so?? idk... I'm not seeing it...

[Suz]

Lol bs. Have you ever watched Parks and Recreation? I think Ron Swanson is based off of Chris Langan.

Well just because an actor is trying to play a character that is based off of someone doesn't make them the same sociotype necessarily.

[Gilly]

really u think so?? idk... I'm not seeing it...

They both have an effortlessly direct gaze that seems to betray a kind of internal strain or firmness, but is very natural and consistent.

[jet city woman]

Ashton looks and acts more like the LSE friend we have than he does my S.O., who is LIE. But he writes and thinks more like an LIE.
I would've guessed him on actions and looks to be LSE, but I'm used to ENTjs looking and acting like your typical corp guy around here - friendly, laid-back, and happy-looking.
It also seems that upon observing a few examples, the 7-wing may add a certain broodiness and demanding feel that the 9-wing seems to soften. I would also guess him as 7w8 as opposed to 8w7.

[Suz]

They both have an effortlessly direct gaze that seems to betray a kind of internal strain or firmness, but is very natural and consistent.

ok well maybe... i'm just saying that chris langan guy really rubs me the wrong way... the whole demeanor. Ron Swanson not so much.

[Gilly]

ok well maybe... i'm just saying that chris langan guy really rubs me the wrong way... the whole demeanor. Ron Swanson not so much.

Well you're probably from the burbs and he is a bouncer at a bar, I can understand not wanting the dirt on your carpet.

[FDG]

Ashton looks and acts more like the LSE friend we have than he does my S.O., who is LIE. But he writes and thinks more like an LIE.
I would've guessed him on actions and looks to be LSE, but I'm used to ENTjs looking and acting like your typical corp guy around here - friendly, laid-back, and happy-looking.

Acts? You know Ashton personally?

[jet city woman]

Acts? You know Ashton personally?

No, I've seen him on cam in Tinychat.... Of course, that's all so.... Can't get a good overall picture of someone from just a video in Tinychat, obv, but it does offer ideas. I was describing what I CAN see, which is what everyone is doing, obv.

[Absurd]

That's a great thread, read it all.

[Capitalist Pig]

[Absurd]

Gilly is in love with Ashton. Beta-Gamma friendship.

[Suz]

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with his LIE typing, but I did want to point out the similarities that I saw with LSI. Whenever I see Ashton on cam, I am reminded so much of Christopher Langan, in both his speech & appearance. When he grew facial hair he looked so much like a younger thinner version of Langan. Then again, maybe it's enneagram 8 related.

Yeah, I also can't really see Ashton reacting to Fe favorably. From what I've seen, people like B&D tend to piss him off.




Don't get me wrong, I like Ashton, but I don't favor him any more than I do the rest of the self typed gammas. I actually haven't had much interaction with him at all. Like I said, the LSI suggestion was based only on VI.

Also, this is unrelated, but Workaholic, you're another person that I could see as a different type. Please don't get offended (because I know you will), but I think ESE could be another possible typing for you. There's a lot of Fe in your writing.

Fe-demonstrative = strong Fe.

Oh and i'm not offended, dont worry. I just think people tend to forget that IEEs do have strong Fe, even if it is unvalued.

[Absurd]

Hey Starfall, how many gay beta homosexuals does it take to type someone?

22,000.

[marooned]

That Langan guy is so weird. I feel so confused. The sperm whale has the biggest brain on the planet btw. Although I think there's a different style of neurons in that brain. Anyway Langan doesn't mention the sperm whale when he's talking about centipedes and monkeys and so on. I don't feel I'd be able to talk about it without mentioning the sperm whale & various speculations all leading inevitably to the "what is intelligence, anyway" question. You can't say everything and every possibility so you have to choose what you say if you don't want to go on endlessly and pointlessly. So he made a point, but the point invites other considerations (like encephalization quotient). In the end, I don't know why it matters. There could be a limit with centipedes (a size threshold). It might not be possible for something their size to be amazingly brilliant (but I don't know... I think there are more considerations). The more ignorant one is, the more considerations. Sometimes it's the opposite.

He reminds me of my dad oddly. Although I think my dad was SLI. But there was a similar disdain for academia (they're all idiots, or "parrots"), and wishing the high I.Q. community ruled the world (by virtue of being smarter and therefore more capable... um...), and my dad actually did think head size was incredibly important. He would talk about people's foreheads frequently and gauge their intelligence off of their size and shape... and by whether or not they seemed like an idiot to him... and well, most everyone did seem like an idiot to him. He probably would have liked that Langan vid and ranted about how Langan is right afterwards.

Anyway, back to the point. I find sperm whales fascinating. I want to talk to a sperm whale.

[Absurd]

I do kind of agree that LSI makes better sense in ways than SLE (or EIE, especially).

That's why you're so sensitive.

Anyway, is that a coincidence you and Gillian both post your intestines nearly at the same time?

[Absurd]

Is that a non shitter?

I think and thought you're LIE, anyway, so no need to get defensive. You don't want to answer, just say fuck off, like your quadra mates

[Gilly]

LOL

[ArchonAlarion]

That Langan guy is so weird. I feel so confused. The sperm whale has the biggest brain on the planet btw. e.

I also thought of whales. That being said, I think he really meant brain size compared to body size.

[Gilly]

I also thought of whales. That being said, I think he really meant brain size compared to body size.

That's a good point, but pretty clearly not what he meant.

[marooned]

I think he was just saying head size and smarts are related and then came up with some simple examples.

[Raver]

The only argument I can think of for Ashton being LSI is that I never got along with him and he hates with a passion. Though despite this, his posts are filled with and he's clearly / over /. So I think LIE makes the most sense.

[jet city woman]

The only argument I can think of for Ashton being LSI is that I never got along with him and he hates with a passion.

Huh? I usually get along great with ENFp guys. I like Ne.

[jet city woman]

Not really sure how I appear LSE. Also, if I were 7w8, I suspect I'd probably come off less broody.

The 7w8 I know can be broody. No other 8s I know are broody. So......
My dad was a 7w6 and he could be broody too (quite often he was off in his own little world, and he was def very moody lol).
I've definitely noticed broodiness in 7s. (more than likely it's them contemplating how pissed off they are at someone lol....)
Not to say it can't happen in 8s lol; I just haven't seen it before to that extent, so I would've prob guessed 7w8, strictly on appearances/actions from cam.
(It's def interesting to observe different varieties of ENTj; you def stand out as being different from the others I have seen.)
I'm thinking it's prob just the sx-domness that is throwing me off....after reading a bit.

[NewBorn STAR]

The 7w8 I know can be broody. No other 8s I know are broody. So......
My dad was a 7w6 and he could be broody too (quite often he was off in his own little world, and he was def very moody lol).
I've definitely noticed broodiness in 7s. (more than likely it's them contemplating how pissed off they are at someone lol....)
Not to say it can't happen in 8s lol; I just haven't seen it before to that extent, so I would've prob guessed 7w8, strictly on appearances/actions from cam.
(It's def interesting to observe different varieties of ENTj; you def stand out as being different from the others I have seen.)
I'm thinking it's prob just the sx-domness that is throwing me off....

Or maybe you dont type right

[jet city woman]

Or maybe you dont type right

You certainly reserve the right to disbelieve me and not read my posts. I just don't understand the point of your post at all, since there doesn't appear to be one.

[Gilly]

I have certainly never noticed 7s being more "brooding" than 8s.

[jet city woman]

I have certainly never noticed 7s being more "brooding" than 8s.

Have you lived with two sevens and two eights? And it's "broody", not brooding.
Could be, I'm just enjoying observing people. Not saying I am right or wrong, but I generally only use people I know very well as examples, so..... I won't believe it unless I know it to be true, so it takes a long time for me to gather enough information to prove it right or wrong.
As I said, it seems to be related to instinctual variant stacking. Not sure if this is the case truly, but it's where my observations are leading me right now.
(MAYBE).....I'll have to think about it.

[FDG]

This guy totally VIs like Ashie (I was watching Giro D'Italia yesterday, and their similarity suddenly hit my attention) - 0:30 :

http://video.gazzetta.it/austriaco-c...0-a01b8772d856

[Gilly]

Have you lived with two sevens and two eights? And it's "broody", not brooding.
Could be, I'm just enjoying observing people. Not saying I am right or wrong, but I generally only use people I know very well as examples, so..... I won't believe it unless I know it to be true, so it takes a long time for me to gather enough information to prove it right or wrong.
As I said, it seems to be related to instinctual variant stacking. Not sure if this is the case truly, but it's where my observations are leading me right now.

No but I grew up with an 8 (my mother) and lived with another one for 2 years, and my best friend is a 7, as are a few of my other good friends.

I will say 7s seem to have a higher propensity for self-pity than 8s. Maybe that's similar what you mean?

[Raver]

Huh? I usually get along great with ENFp guys. I like Ne.

That's interesting, I've noticed most XSIs seem rather indifferent to . Not that they despise it, but they're not particularly fond of it either. Are you sure you're not SLI? I think that's what you first typed yourself when you joined the forum.

Umm, I just get annoyed at you sometimes because it seems like you throw speculations out there without explicating much reasoning behind them, and then seem to expect others to flesh it out for you. It bothers me because it comes off as intellectually lazy.

Fair enough, the reason I did that was because it was one of those things that made sense intuitively, but not rationally. Though in retrospect I could of done a better job explaining those speculations.

[jet city woman]

That's interesting, I've noticed most XSIs seem rather indifferent to . Not that they despise it, but they're not particularly fond of it either. Are you sure you're not SLI? I think that's what you first typed yourself when you joined the forum.

No, I'm definitely not SLI. I'm Se-LSI. I just typed myself SLI because I was ISTP in mbti, and I didn't know what type I was in socionics, so I just threw something together until I could sit down and figure it out.

Lol, you would think someone wasn't LSI based on the fact that they like Ne? Uhhh, I like the color pink. Am I LSI?

[Disturbed]

I wish I knew how I could contact Ashton. Did he write the descriptions on sociotype.com? Anyway, he was an SLE-Ti who really fucking mastered psychology, understood himself and everyone else, and especially understood EIE subtypes pretty well (my maternal grandfather was an exception as he wasn't interested in abstract thinking or being weird, eccentric at all, nor did he have much of a temper, he was really one of the simpler EIE-Ni who primarily cared about his happiness--he was so removed from experiencing new things, jolly, fat, happy he was like a less frustrated, less domineering, more able to foresee consequences, more aware and careless of his limitations homer simpson; rather he was more like archie bunker, sometimes his wife, my LSI-Ti grandmother liked it sometimes it enraged her--i wish i could honestly and truthfully say my maternal grandparents were intelligent well beyond the norm, but they were pretty average, the opposite subtypes are above average, my dad is an EIE-Fe and he was way smarter than me and his EIE-Ni father-in-law... when I first started socionics I REALLY, REALLY got the 2 subtypes confused, which one was which... I didn't get LSI-Se and LSI-Ti confused as much, in real life they're usually super easy to tell apart).

And based on what Ashton wrote, he seemed very picky about what kind of Fe he got, he seemed REALLY biased against control and REALLY in need of good jokes, far more than I could ever provide. So based on Gilly being an EIE-Ni like Ashton described them it would seem like Gilly would've incorrectly seen him as disliking Fe.