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    Default Elizabeth Wurtzel

    Author of Prozac Nation

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Wurtzel





    Quotes:

    "I'm the girl who is lost in space, the girl who is disappearing always, forever fading away and receding farther and farther into the background. Just like the Cheshire cat, someday I will suddenly leave, but the artificial warmth of my smile, that phony, clownish curve, the kind you see on miserably sad people and villains in Disney movies, will remain behind as an ironic remnant. I am the girl you see in the photograph from some party someplace or some picnic in the park, the one who is in fact soon to be gone. When you look at the picture again, I want to assure you, I will no longer be there. I will be erased from history, like a traitor in the Soviet Union. Because with every day that goes by, I feel myself becoming more and more invisible..."
    Elizabeth Wurtzel, Prozac Nation

    "Some catastrophic moments invite clarity, explode in split moments: You smash your hand through a windowpane and then there is blood and shattered glass stained with red all over the place; you fall out a window and break some bones and scrape some skin. Stitches and casts and bandages and antiseptic solve and salve the wounds. But depression is not a sudden disaster. It is more like a cancer: At first its tumorous mass is not even noticeable to the careful eye, and then one day -- wham! -- there is a huge, deadly seven-pound lump lodged in your brain or your stomach or your shoulder blade, and this thing that your own body has produced is actually trying to kill you. Depression is a lot like that: Slowly, over the years, the data will accumulate in your heart and mind, a computer program for total negativity will build into your system, making life feel more and more unbearable. But you won't even notice it coming on, thinking that it is somehow normal, something about getting older, about turning eight or turning twelve or turning fifteen, and then one day you realize that your entire life is just awful, not worth living, a horror and a black blot on the white terrain of human existence. One morning you wake up afraid you are going to live.

    In my case, I was not frightened in the least bit at the thought that I might live because I was certain, quite certain, that I was already dead. The actual dying part, the withering away of my physical body, was a mere formality. My spirit, my emotional being, whatever you want to call all that inner turmoil that has nothing to do with physical existence, were long gone, dead and gone, and only a mass of the most fucking god-awful excruciating pain like a pair of boiling hot tongs clamped tight around my spine and pressing on all my nerves was left in its wake.

    That's the thing I want to make clear about depression: It's got nothing at all to do with life. In the course of life, there is sadness and pain and sorrow, all of which, in their right time and season, are normal -- unpleasant, but normal. Depression is an altogether different zone because it involves a complete absence: absence of affect, absence of feeling, absence of response, absence of interest. The pain you feel in the course of a major clinical depression is an attempt on nature's part (nature, after all, abhors a vacuum) to fill up the empty space. But for all intents and purposes, the deeply depressed are just the walking, waking dead.

    And the scariest part is that if you ask anyone in the throes of depression how he got there, to pin down the turning point, he'll never know. There is a classic moment in The Sun Also Rises when someone asks Mike Campbell how he went bankrupt, and all he can say in response is, 'Gradually and then suddenly.' When someone asks how I love my mind, that is all I can say too"
    Elizabeth Wurtzel, Prozac Nation


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    ESE?

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    Efficiency - a Te theme. There was a fair amount of Ti in there too, in terms of thinking about how society is structured.

    She also wrote a book called "Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women." Looks like Gamma.



    ILI could work. That would fit the themes of being absent from life, invisible, etc. But if not then some other Gamma type.
    edit: actually, I'm thinking SEE looks better now...
    Last edited by Exodus; 12-01-2016 at 07:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    Yeah, I think you're right. I think SEE is the most likely type for her.... I thought the first video I posted was odd how she went on about efficiency because she isn't like that in her book. Although she is older now and it probably just wasn't part of the subject matter in that book for her to really talk about it, considering it was about her depression, I'm assuming...
    Yeah, the talk makes it clear that ethics is her strong suit, Fi in particular.

    Everything says we don't need another piece of chocolate cake, we don't need another Gucci bag, another dime store lipstick, another Big Mac, another night on the town, another spin on the rainbow room dance floor. Well, this is meant to be a story about people who are so beyond need, who want and have figured out that it's never too soon to make demands of this life, this world, this everything. It's about how nice it must be to just decide I will not be nice, I am never sorry, I have no regrets. What is before me belongs to me.
    to the max.

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    Elizabeth Wurtzel - Introverted












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    I just found out she died. :/ 52, breast cancer, Jan 2020

    Was listening to Velvet Underground, which led me to looking up Lou Reed's type, which led me to thinking that would be cute if Liz was idolizing her dual, as it seems people type Reed LSI. I thought based on the book and movie she could be EIE, but perhaps not after watching the interviews again

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