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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    @End are you talking about Trump? If so you've fallen for the populist trap. Trump acts like he's working class but he is not. He is conning you. I mean they are all liars but let's not pretend Trump somehow isn't. If it were the end of the world and the ground splits, your hand barely clinging on, he'd stamp his foot on your hand and then shove you off that cliff full force. He hates the "little people" and he can barely disguise it. The only way to defeat the likes of him and his equivalents on the left, is a united working and poor class, with middle and upper middle class support. Otherwise, count on being screwed over by these people without end. For those who think I sound crazy, remember people all over the world are slaving away for corporations, there is child labor, and we in the west turn some sort of amazing blind eye.

    Oh and Trump isn't brilliant. He deploys toddler tactics that everyone can see right through.
    And while I hate to derail your point a bit I gotta point this rather significant fact out. See, we like to dress it up, use euphemisms, etc. But really, there is only one of two ways Humans can organize themselves in any way that can last long term. A)Ethnically and B)Religiously. Trump is going for B by and large and anyone with half a brain ought to commend him for that one as that's the only way you "trump" A.

    I hate it, but I ain't about to incur the consequences of denying reality. Only a common "God" can overcome differences in accent, skin tone, eye color, etc. Without that common factor? Well, here's an equation that history hasn't failed to verify every time it came up without that mitigating factor I just mentioned. Diversity+Proximity=War. War to the knife, the hilt, the extermination/subjugation/enslavement of the other/loser. Again, I hate that fact, but a fact it remains. Deal with it or die a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    Master in rhetoric and propaganda ? Yea maybe to the blind in the south who are stupid enough to wave confederate flags and promote losing ideologies. Trump is a moron. The only reason he's in power is because the Republicans refuse to impeach him because they want a republican in there for their own power. He's such a master in propaganda. He left a whole paper trail on twitter of everything he ever said. Contrdicting all his previous tweets. The people who vote for him are the one who secretly want a dictator or autocracy.

    He was elected on the backs of uneducated Americans

    https://www-brookings-edu.cdn.amppro...put-america%2F

    These numbers are almost comical
    Eh, not really. Have you ever tried to talk to people outside an urban environment? You ever try to join a team in a bowling alley on league night as a total newb asking someone to share some advice to a simple novice unknowing as to how to even throw the ball? Yeah, ya won't have much luck but all the teams will be more than happy to tell ya where ya ought to start for pennies on the dime. You ever try to spark a conversation with successful members of a farmer's market? No, not the one held next to a Starbucks, a real farmer's market. One where you'll find quite a lot of the likes of me and even the foes of me, but they know me, and I know them. Thus, I'd rather pay them a premium rather than get my produce and seed from some faceless corp. like Lowes et. all.

    Death Cultists like you are all the same. You are as ignorant of us as we are unable to grasp your alien mindset. I'd label that as a grace of God. I am thankful that I just cannot for the life of me understand in the visceral sense why the Fallen Angels/Demons chose Hell over Heaven...

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    See, this is the kind of thing where it doesn't matter if it's true, or even what the consequences are. How does one move forward based on this information? Tell absolutely everyone to be constantly vigilant for the slightest trace of [thing we condemn].
    If it's invisible, how can you know when you've defeated it? You can't. You can't defeat it ever.

    Essentially, you'd be demanding every member of every generation, potentially until the end of time, to funnel all their energy into the goal of absolute purity. But we know from the get-go you can never realize an absolute. It's a platonic form. You'll just have everyone chasing an asymptote forever.



    Moreover, you've gone beyond the point of knocking down an oppressive structure. You're not knocking things down anymore. You're erecting your own structure, often compelling people to participate, against their will. When you do this, you are no longer channeling the youthful freedom-loving spirit that fought to do things like remove segregation laws and loosen up societal mores in the past.
    Now, you're the ones enforcing the new mores.

    You're no different than a puritan authority in old new england pushing the goalposts further and further to convict people of witchcraft until you've found a witch to kill. This is what people mean when they say "You're the new conservatives." What you're doing is a fundamentally conservative thing.
    You don't care about human liberation at all. If it's a collective goal that relies on the existence of a highly sensitive structure, then it's not liberation. Liberty means liberty from all structures.
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    That link was pointing out khs's passive aggression to anyone not picking up that he/she is trolling. He/she was not censored. He/she was not reported. The only thing he/she was compelled to participate in is fact-checking before posting. One picture he/she put a caption "Piles of bricks, the building blocks of a new society". Insinuating who knows what, when in reality, the context was of a kid pointing to a heap of cinder blocks which had been suspiciously planted around the city near the protests. The other picture was of crime statistics that are near mathematically impossible. Its tiresome. Its really not hard at all to find pictures of black people tearing shit up right now, how hard is it to at least get it right?

    I don't care about your mores. My problem is with the trolling, intellectual laziness, and slander to get a reaction. The only thing I ask is A) get the facts straight, and B) be direct with your opinions, don't be a coward about it hiding behind memes and hypothetical debates while you feel out the room. Some other guy came right out and basically said he sees chinese as shady and africans no better than animals. No issues with him. I have no problems with people saying what they really think. Honesty is refreshing.

    So I'm not sure who you're referring to by "you". No need to put words in mouths. If you are interested in what I care about, you can always ask. Unless you are a mind-reader of course. In which case I'm sure you can continue having at it by yourself and let us know what I think, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    This is a 10 years old text. Found it on yahoo answers. Here is the link



    Is multiculturalism destroying the USA?
    Steps to destroy the USA


    1.Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.


    2. Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.


    3. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.


    4. I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."


    5. Get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'


    I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."


    6. Include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."


    "A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."


    7. I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."


    "Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,'


    8. I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympathetic and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."
    Merging cultures creates new cultures. I'd say history proves this.
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    How Republicans do voter suppression:

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...07262870798338

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirouette View Post
    Merging cultures creates new cultures.
    The beginning of a new culture is marked by the replacement of statues related to the old culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    The beginning of a new culture is marked by the replacement of statues related to the old culture.
    Yeah, iconoclasm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    How Republicans do voter suppression:

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...07262870798338
    The republicans are done for lmao. The way they responded to the "protests" was pathetic.
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    Not following this convo but I noticed the word "protests" in quotes and since I frequently see the misperception that there were zero (0) peaceful protests I want to clarify that they did exist in addition to violence and riots (and not as a replacement to them). Dunno if that's an actual misunderstanding or just a rhetorical thing but if you didn't know there Google-able images k thanks

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    lol back when things were crazier my church invited me to come pray at the spot where floyd died (about two miles from where I live) and i didn't go because
    1 my boyfriend was concerned about antifa violence and i didn't want to make him scared for me
    2 I was concerned about police violence because I'm vulnerable to more serious brain injuries if I get hit in the head by a rubber bullet
    3 covid lol

    So *sigh* yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    This is a 10 years old text. Found it on yahoo answers. Here is the link



    Is multiculturalism destroying the USA?
    Steps to destroy the USA


    1.Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
    Yeah.... this is just factually inaccurate. Switzerland, Belgium, and Canada are officially multicultural and multilingual, and have been for well over a century in each case. They are among the best educated and most prosperous countries in the world. The rest of that guy's post is too stupid to respond to.

    I would suggest avoiding "Yahoo! Answers" when doing online research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    And while I hate to derail your point a bit I gotta point this rather significant fact out. See, we like to dress it up, use euphemisms, etc. But really, there is only one of two ways Humans can organize themselves in any way that can last long term. A)Ethnically and B)Religiously. Trump is going for B by and large and anyone with half a brain ought to commend him for that one as that's the only way you "trump" A.
    Translation: A) Tribally (which actually doesn't work, given how the tribes are constantly fighting each other) and B) Ideologically or through a shared value system and worldview. (A often opposes B.)

    I mean the only reality "religiously" is that the Christian pro-Trump right very much seems to want everyone in this country to have to live their way and by their rules, which isn't a pathway to stability because it means suppressing everyone who doesn't want to live that way. So all those people will constantly be fighting against the Christian right and their need to impose their "value" system on everyone. And gosh, without a way to unify the tribes, it seems we have... division.

    I hate it, but I ain't about to incur the consequences of denying reality. Only a common "God" can overcome differences in accent, skin tone, eye color, etc. Without that common factor? Well, here's an equation that history hasn't failed to verify every time it came up without that mitigating factor I just mentioned. Diversity+Proximity=War. War to the knife, the hilt, the extermination/subjugation/enslavement of the other/loser. Again, I hate that fact, but a fact it remains. Deal with it or die a fool.
    Even you put God in quotes, so you must know that people can unify behind anything they share in common and are passionate about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    Translation: A) Tribally (which actually doesn't work, given how the tribes are constantly fighting each other) and B) Ideologically or through a shared value system and worldview. (A often opposes B.)

    I mean the only reality "religiously" is that the Christian pro-Trump right very much seems to want everyone in this country to have to live their way and by their rules, which isn't a pathway to stability because it means suppressing everyone who doesn't want to live that way. So all those people will constantly be fighting against the Christian right and their need to impose their "value" system on everyone. And gosh, without a way to unify the tribes, it seems we have... division.

    Even you put God in quotes, so you must know that people can unify behind anything they share in common and are passionate about?
    Hahaha, Ok then, here's another concept for ya: "Better Jehovah than Foucault". I get in full the sentiment and logic behind it. As I always seek more data, please, I humbly implore you provide me some. What do you think makes me agree with that? And no, it ain't just because I'm a believer. Think on it long and hard. Please, I will truly owe you one if you give me something coherent that I can learn from .

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    The worst thing about president Trump isn't even his ridiculous policies or that he's an idiot. It's that he's boring.

    When Trump was elected, I was anticipating a Charlie Sheen-esque Se-beast. But he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink or party, and he doesn't fuck hookers. Well, he probably fucks hookers, but he doesn't own it like Charlie Sheen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    The worst thing about president Trump isn't even his ridiculous policies or that he's an idiot. It's that he's boring.

    When Trump was elected, I was anticipating a Charlie Sheen-esque Se-beast. But he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink or party, and he doesn't fuck hookers. Well, he probably fucks hookers, but he doesn't own it like Charlie Sheen.
    I'm pretty sure he fucks hookers. Hell, he even pays his wife. Some people say that that weeks-long delay in her moving to Washington was spent in her renegotiating her contract.

    Not that he's the first guy to do that. But he's one of the guys who has to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Hahaha, Ok then, here's another concept for ya: "Better Jehovah than Foucault".
    I don't understand why it has to be one way. If the Christian right wants to rail against abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, and wants to break the separation of church and state, all of those are aggressive moves involving overstepping one's bounds since it starts infringing on the rights of others. They aren't being persecuted from my pov, it's that when they start becoming invasive that problems start. It's the difference between living according to one's own values and insisting that everyone else live by them too. (Although I really suspect it's actually piles of money driving the Christian right ahem, like with everything.)

    I get in full the sentiment and logic behind it. As I always seek more data, please, I humbly implore you provide me some. What do you think makes me agree with that? And no, it ain't just because I'm a believer. Think on it long and hard. Please, I will truly owe you one if you give me something coherent that I can learn from .
    You are asking the Te PoLR to provide you data? You are asking me to tell you why you agree with something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    I don't understand why it has to be one way. If the Christian right wants to rail against abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, and wants to break the separation of church and state, all of those are aggressive moves involving overstepping one's bounds since it starts infringing on the rights of others. They aren't being persecuted from my pov, it's that when they start becoming invasive that problems start. It's the difference between living according to one's own values and insisting that everyone else live by them too. (Although I really suspect it's actually piles of money driving the Christian right ahem, like with everything.)
    Sigh... you fail to grasp the point. Thing is, some set of values must be held as absolute if a culture/civilization is to survive. The "people" must, as I have stated many a time, either share an ethnicity or a "god". That is to say, they must all in some way or another believe, accept, and enforce with an iron will that all those who seek to become "us" do X or else they are "other" and will in the end either get genocided or driven out of the lands.

    For example, why do most "Americans" hate the concept of "Illegal Immigration" and/or "amnesty"? Simple, the "myth" of America demands that you be honest and accept that, in fleeing from the tyranny of your former homeland, you make this "new world" your new home and vehemently insist that it is, was, and always will be the true home of all your descendants from now on henceforth. Yeah, my/your most distant ancestor came from some "old" world (Europe, Africa, Asia), but that's why our ancestors got on the boat. There was a new world, a new promise. Work hard, endure, and (I am not ashamed to say), believe in Christ, and we can all get along.

    Oh, BTW, the reason that "separation of Church and State" became a thing was because of the necessity of people who were broadly "Christian" to get along with one another within the same geographical space. Catholics and Protestants literally fought wars over minor differences in theology. That was stupid as if your beliefs are true they ought to win out over time. Sadly, we fallen humans ain't so patient as our professed lord and savior. Thus, freedom of religion. Either the papists are right and all schisms will be healed eventually, or the protestants are right and the filthy fucking papists will become the enthusiastic servants of the Antichrist.

    The whole damn concept was based upon a single universal tenet. Freedom of "Christian" religion. Thomas Jefferson and all the rest would never even consider the prospect of a synagogue or a mosque being constructed without some serious opposition if the builder failed the witch test (i.e. failed to confess that Jesus is the Christ and God raised him from the dead). After all, if they and their congregation passed it, that'd make them yet some other protestant denomination and thus in need of inclusion so as to avoid yet another largely pointless religious war.

    I mean fuck, Suuni or Shia? They hate each other yet they, like Catholics and Protestants, really agree on pretty much any and all things that logically matter when ya get down to it. Get those theologians in a room and lock the door. I'd bet that instead of a murder scene you'd get an opinion that'd heal the schism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Sigh... you fail to grasp the point. Thing is, some set of values must be held as absolute if a culture/civilization is to survive. The "people" must, as I have stated many a time, either share an ethnicity or a "god". That is to say, they must all in some way or another believe, accept, and enforce with an iron will that all those who seek to become "us" do X or else they are "other" and will in the end either get genocided or driven out of the lands.
    I'm skeptical this is even true. It sounds a bit like authoritarianism to me. I don't believe truly we have to share an ethnicity or a god. And it seems you didn't see what I was saying about tribalism. Humans don't only form tribes based on ethnicity or religion. Humans are far too versatile to be that limited. However, tribalism is in our nature, and it can pose a challenge when we form our little groups and the groups can't find common ground.

    For example, why do most "Americans" hate the concept of "Illegal Immigration" and/or "amnesty"? Simple, the "myth" of America demands that you be honest and accept that, in fleeing from the tyranny of your former homeland, you make this "new world" your new home and vehemently insist that it is, was, and always will be the true home of all your descendants from now on henceforth. Yeah, my/your most distant ancestor came from some "old" world (Europe, Africa, Asia), but that's why our ancestors got on the boat. There was a new world, a new promise. Work hard, endure, and (I am not ashamed to say), believe in Christ, and we can all get along.
    um. Lots of people have their own religion. The US values freedom of religion so no one will have to suffer state sanctioned religious persecution or worse. I don't believe most Americans hate the things you mention. I certainly don't. I know my ancestors didn't have to do much to get into this country. I know they were poor and low-skilled. I know my Irish ancestors came during the potato famine and were fleeing oppression by the English, both class and religious oppression. I know a lot of people trying to get into this country now are fleeing terrible things, literally running for their lives, and I have great sympathy for that. I want this to be a place people can flee to for safety. ETA: Also our immigration system is broken and it isn't just. Since it doesn't offer reasonable legal pathways, it invites illegal immigration. But naturally it will not address itself for its own shortcomings, instead it will put it all on the people who have already suffered far too much, hence their desperation to enter the country. Never mind how illegal immigrants ARE a part of the American workforce, but perhaps the US does not want to admit to how this is part of our economy. In any case, it blames immigrants consistently for its failures.

    The whole damn concept was based upon a single universal tenet. Freedom of "Christian" religion. Thomas Jefferson and all the rest would never even consider the prospect of a synagogue or a mosque being constructed without some serious opposition if the builder failed the witch test (i.e. failed to confess that Jesus is the Christ and God raised him from the dead). After all, if they and their congregation passed it, that'd make them yet some other protestant denomination and thus in need of inclusion so as to avoid yet another largely pointless religious war.
    the point is that when the state is involved in religion it will only tolerate one and insist that this is the one everyone follows which leads to mass atrocities against everyone else. As we can all imagine what that's like hopefully we can all understand why it is wrong to try to force people to believe what isn't in their hearts, why it is wrong to impose upon them belief and value systems they disagree with, why it is wrong to use religion as a driving force of oppression.

    I mean fuck, Suuni or Shia? They hate each other yet they, like Catholics and Protestants, really agree on pretty much any and all things that logically matter when ya get down to it. Get those theologians in a room and lock the door. I'd bet that instead of a murder scene you'd get an opinion that'd heal the schism.
    I am not sure this is true. I feel like if it were so simple it would have happened already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    The worst thing about president Trump isn't even his ridiculous policies or that he's an idiot. It's that he's boring.

    When Trump was elected, I was anticipating a Charlie Sheen-esque Se-beast. But he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink or party, and he doesn't fuck hookers. Well, he probably fucks hookers, but he doesn't own it like Charlie Sheen.
    Speak for yourself. I got plenty of problems with him, but him failing to be entertaining isn't one of them. I am awaiting with eagerness that first debate with Joe "Senility Incarnate" Biden.

    Here's the line that'll seal the deal and ensure Trump gets re-elected with gusto: "Hey, Creepy Joe, what state are we in right now?"

    He'll fail that question hard one way or another and, well, the attack add writes itself after that. It'll be the inverse of the attack add LBJ used against Goldwater to great effect. I mean, do you really want a senile old man with his had on the nuclear button as the president of the most powerful and most heavily nuked up nation on Earth? Trump's a lot of things, but senile ain't one of em'.

    Also, he's smart to not indulge in more sin than he already does. I doubt he fucks hookers (why would he since he has a literal supermodel waifu), but he does "trade-in" his wives for younger models on the regular. Not a thing I approve of, but compared to the sins committed by the PTB he pisses off on the regular the man's a fucking saint!

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    Speak for yourself. I got plenty of problems with him, but him failing to be entertaining isn't one of them.
    I disagree, sir. Twitter trolling isn't really in the same league as throwing a coke party. The man plays golf for God's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    I disagree, sir. Twitter trolling isn't really in the same league as throwing a coke party. The man plays golf for God's sake.
    I'd beg to differ. Twitter trolling is, sadly, now within the league of throwing a coke party. I mean for fucks sake Twitter even tried to censor him recently. We've damn near hit peak snowflake folks. I fear for the future as those same snowflakes occupy very real positions of power and are very, oh so very well aware of that fact and act on it with gusto...

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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    I'd beg to differ. Twitter trolling is, sadly, now within the league of throwing a coke party. I mean for fucks sake Twitter even tried to censor him recently. We've damn near hit peak snowflake folks. I fear for the future as those same snowflakes occupy very real positions of power and are very, oh so very well aware of that fact and act on it with gusto...
    I have seen twitch hire a deerkin who eats grass and has deergasm on stream.. <_< if only you knew how bad things really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    I have seen twitch hire a deerkin who eats grass and has deergasm on stream.. <_< if only you knew how bad things really are.
    LOL. I know who you're talking about. Are you sure that guy / girl isn't just a massive troll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    LOL. I know who you're talking about. Are you that guy / girl isn't just a massive troll?
    Well.. it was hilarious lmao.

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    https://youtu.be/S32E4bv9DLA

    I don't know what to make of this as I have a difficult time these days with political "truth" and I think it's because my read is so sensitive to the social situation around me which is unstable and so the chaos is in me too. I don't know who this guy interviewing is (for instance if he's really looking for truth or if it's more he has an agenda) and have only started reading about what happened to Venezuela.

    Truth be told about interviewer guy, my ears perked up at his introducing Rogliani as "articulate" as it's now a political buzz word in my mind and it made me question his motives immediately.

    Anyway I fear a bouncing back and forth in which we go increasingly radical on both sides, each side reacting to the other's extremism by becoming more extreme itself.

    And the other problem is we need both the left and the right. They're supposed to complement each other and check each other. They're supposed to work together to move ahead wisely. But we are so far from that. Each side wants to destroy the other. And ideally I would think the centrists should be there to help point out when destabilization is occurring, to restore things, but they have seemingly become this "whatever you do, don't change anything" group.

    Anyway I think this guy has some sort of agenda or at least slant. For instance he seems to want to downplay what's happening with covid... Like it's bad in the US. I can't see calling it otherwise. And of course he ends with complaints about conservatives being suppressed in the media and I'm wary of those arguments as well because they often are hiding an agenda. A lot of conservatives complaining about censorship and freedom of speech and what not seem to be just fine suppressing the other side. They just don't want their side suppressed.

    Like I'm worried about these things too, but the right has been so disingenuous in their arguments that they undermine the case they are making. It doesn't feel like it's coming from the right place.

    So yeah this isn't fully in the spirit of truth I conclude, though that doesn't mean there is nothing true here. The spirit of truth would acknowledge that Trump has been corrupting our government as well instead of treating it like all is good and just in current USA.
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    Niqab for men is the latest trend all over.

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    Native pikeys want to take down Mount Rushmore


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