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    I'm always curious to know what others think that my type is, so I answered these questions in hopes that I could get some opinions. Feel free to ask questions if you need more information.

    Personal concepts
    1. What is beauty? What is love?
    I feel that beauty is if it has to be limited to one thing, self expression. Though it is in the eye of the beholder.
    Love is possessing feelings for someone that far surpass those of friendship.


    2. What are your most important values?
    My most important values are tact and respect.


    3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
    I don't have any religious beliefs. My reasoning is simply that I don't feel a connection to any religion.


    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
    My opinion is war and militaries is that they are pointless. Of course militaries exist likely for protection, but I don't feel that conflict at the level of war is necessary. I wish things could be discussed civilly, instead of being dealt with so harshly.
    Power, to me, is merely something that people use as an excuse to feel superior to others. I feel that everyone is equal and should treat each other as such.


    Interests
    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
    Emotions, the life stories of others. I have a great interest in learning about other people and wish I could hear people talk about themselves more.
    My interests include listening to the life stories of others, helping others and songwriting.


    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
    I'm interesting in anything as a conversational topic, really. I'm happy to discuss anything. I'm not very focused on my body, as my focus tends to be mostly on other people.


    7. What do you think of daily chores?
    I think that they're okay. I would much rather be doing other things, but sometimes they're necessary.


    8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
    Night Of The Living Dead, The Shining, The Cabin In The Woods, 28 Days Later, Saw, The Exorcist, Blades Of Glory. There are a lot more, of course, but the ones I listed are ones that come to mind.


    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
    Seeing others being treated badly has made me cry. A lot of things make me cry, honestly. Why? Because I'm awfully sensitive, I suppose, though I've heard I give off an emotionless expression a good majority of the time.
    The success of other people makes me smile. Knowing that I was able to help someone is another thing. Why? Because I can't help but be happy when someone else is happy and helping others feel right to me.


    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    In a place where my contributions are appreciating and I can be of use to someone.


    Evaluation & Behaviour
    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    My sensitivity, my willingness to think of other people before myself.
    I dislike that others can see things in me that I can't seem to. (My strengths).


    12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    People seem to say my strengths are that I'm kind and that I make an attempt to understand/help other people whenever I can.
    I'm not really sure what I like about myself.


    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?
    In areas involving motivation. I'm motivated when it involves helping others, but not myself.


    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
    I have moments where I move from my kind demeanour into a per say volatile state of emotion. When this happens, I make an attempt to distance myself from others in an attempt to avoid hurting them with my unintentionally cold reactions/judgments. When in this state of mind, I tend to overthink a lot and find irrational explanations to things that I know are wrong if I was thinking clearly.


    People & Interactions
    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
    I most like when other people are kind, empathetic and understanding. I get along with all kinds of people.
    I dislike most when other people are conflictual, constantly express anger openly and think that disrespecting others is okay.


    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
    I feel that both are important, with romance being more important.
    My ideal partner would be someone who is logical/emotional and understanding of both sides.


    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    My main concerns would be that they knew how important it is to respect others. I would make sure to be open to their opinions and points of view and to help them go in whatever direction their heart desires.


    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
    My inward reaction is "Hmm, that's an interesting point of view. I'll have to think on that more."
    My outward reaction is to acknowledge that their point of view as valid and to respectfully state why and how I disagree, as to avoid conflict.


    19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
    My relationship to society is one of curiosity. I see people as a whole as each being unique individuals who have something to contribute and are equally deserving of admiration.
    I consider racism and sexism to be a prevalent social problem, because they contribute to unnecessary hatred and discrimination.


    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    I don't really choose them, per say. I simply talk to almost everyone I meet, or at least say "Hello" and offer them a compliment on something I like about them and if the conversation progresses and a connection is there, generally a friendship results from that. However, I have a lot of people I would consider friends who wouldn't consider me friends, because I sincerely care about everyone I meet.
    I behave kindly and respectfully around them. I make jokes and make sure they know they're appreciated by me.


    21. How do you behave around strangers?
    Kindly and respectfully.

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    The Vibes report LII or some sort of Alpha. The Vibes also point out that e9/e2/e3 are probably the right ennea-area, and that this is the most notable part of your answers, when read on the fly. The Vibes take no legal responsibility for damages incurred from this report, physical or otherwise. The Vibes wish you a pleasant day. The Vibes- *beep*
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    The Vibes report LII or some sort of Alpha. The Vibes also point out that e9/e2/e3 are probably the right ennea-area, and that this is the most notable part of your answers, when read on the fly. The Vibes take no legal responsibility for damages incurred from this report, physical or otherwise. The Vibes wish you a pleasant day. The Vibes- *beep*
    Thank you for taking the time to reply. Frankly, I'm surprised that you mentioned "LII or some sort of Alpha," as I wasn't expecting that, since I've always been typed as a feeler.

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    I think it'd be more precise to say that you vibe as Si-HA, which as you know would be EII or LII. Again, it's basically just a guess.
    You could always be Ethical, that's very plausible, possibly Introvert > Extrovert. Or you could be a new and delightful sort of pumpkin, who knows.
    Curious to hear what you self-type as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    I think it'd be more precise to say that you vibe as Si-HA, which as you know would be EII or LII. Again, it's basically just a guess.
    You could always be Ethical, that's very plausible, possibly Introvert > Extrovert. Or you could be a new and delightful sort of pumpkin, who knows.
    Curious to hear what you self-type as?
    Fair enough. I self type as EIE-Fe, but I'm rather new to the subject of Socionics, so I'm not confident in that being my type yet. As for Enneagram, I self type as 9w1 - 2w1 - 5w4 (925).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    I think it'd be more precise to say that you vibe as Si-HA, which as you know would be EII or LII. Again, it's basically just a guess.
    You could always be Ethical, that's very plausible, possibly Introvert > Extrovert. Or you could be a new and delightful sort of pumpkin, who knows.
    Curious to hear what you self-type as?
    Actually, one more question to you. Where is the Si HA? I see no explicit Si expressed in the questionnaire answers. The default conflict avoidance thing can be just Ethics base. I can't tell from this much though.

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    I would strongly prefer EII or perhaps SEI to LII. Will try to post an analysis later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I would strongly prefer EII or perhaps SEI to LII. Will try to post an analysis later.
    I agree with this. Throughout the questionnaire the theme is helping and understanding others, kindness, sensitivity, respecting others as unique individuals. Not that than LII can't do those things (they do have role Fi after all) but I wouldn't expect an LII to state those themes with as great as a frequency. I would expect with the LII there would be more interest in logical systems and underlying principles as well as emphasis on consistency.

    I favor EII somewhat over SEI. Sensing does seem weak. Se could be the painful function (questions 4 and 15 ). Si also seems weak (question 6).
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    You seem to be a really peaceful and kind person.
    A feeler, but values Fe > Fi(?). Needs motivation, so maybe values Se? I agree with GuavaDrunk on introversion and EII/LII from general impression. What do you think about EII?

    Wish you get clearer idea on your type soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mori View Post
    You seem to be a really peaceful and kind person.
    A feeler, but values Fe > Fi(?). Needs motivation, so maybe values Se? I agree with GuavaDrunk on introversion and EII/LII from general impression. What do you think about EII?

    Wish you get clearer idea on your type soon.
    Thank you. Some of EII resonates with me, but I relate more to EIE. I seem and have heard I tend to use Ni less than Fe, akin to an ENFJ under Mbti, despite being introverted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie View Post
    Thank you. Some of EII resonates with me, but I relate more to EIE. I seem and have heard I tend to use Ni less than Fe, akin to an ENFJ under Mbti, despite being introverted.
    How do you relate more to EIE, and how do you use Ni less than Fe?

    If you are very introverted in the classic sense, you can pretty much exclude any extravert type, in MBTI and Socionics as well. If not that strongly introverted or if you define this wrong, you could still be an extravert but I doubt it from your questionnaire so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    How do you relate more to EIE, and how do you use Ni less than Fe?

    If you are very introverted in the classic sense, you can pretty much exclude any extravert type, in MBTI and Socionics as well. If not that strongly introverted or if you define this wrong, you could still be an extravert but I doubt it from your questionnaire so far.
    I can't explain it well, other than saying Ni seems to be secondary in my case.
    I wouldn't say that I define what you said as wrong. But rather that I feel one can be a social introvert, while being a cognitive extrovert under Mbti/Socionics. A cognitive extrovert as in having Fe, Ne, Te or Se as a dominant function, of course.

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    I have no idea about your type but welcome to the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I have no idea about your type but welcome to the forum.
    Thank you.

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    You show willingness to share your world you could be EII

    "I wish things could be discussed civilly" Idealistic. I would say either EIE or EII.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Definitely NF type.

    Ethics base possible but not fully clear. Can't tell if Fe or Fi is valued.

    Se is quite rejected, misinterpreted and seen as negative.

    "I've heard I give off an emotionless expression a good majority of the time" sounds like introvert.

    IEI, EII > EIE, IEE.

    Don't get why the LII suggestion. @GuavaDrunk what vibes were those? Curious.

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    EII....or maybe IEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettyboy View Post
    What about the sexists or racists? You say they are less deserving of admiration than others yet at the same time you say that everyone is equally deserving of admiration.

    I think you have confused thinking, but I don't think this necessarily points to a type, but in the at least colloquial sense, you are idealist.

    But again, i'm curious how you can fit this diaspora into your world view, that might be type related. How are people allowed to be individual and equally deserving of respect for their individuality yet you want them eradicated if it doesn't fit into your version of acceptable individuality?
    I think it's type related in the sense OP isn't Ti ego. I wouldn't call it "confused thinking", just simply not a focus on logically identifying and working with things.

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    @Myst :
    My initial impression when reading the questionnaire was of someone who is a little picky about their environment, be it psychological, physical, etc., like a cat picking up its feet when it walks through wet grass. Moreso than average, I mean, no one likes sewage. Then this brought up as a side thought a quote from somewhere, describing an LII as "someone for whom the world comes together when he's eating canapes at a nice party." The perceived environmental pickiness and this unrelated thought congealed into: "Oh look, Si-HA."

    But as I've already stated, it's just a vibe and a fairly vague one at that. He could be Si-Cre or not Si-valuing for all I care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    @Myst :
    My initial impression when reading the questionnaire was of someone who is a little picky about their environment, be it psychological, physical, etc., like a cat picking up its feet when it walks through wet grass. Moreso than average, I mean, no one likes sewage. Then this brought up as a side thought a quote from somewhere, describing an LII as "someone for whom the world comes together when he's eating canapes at a nice party." The perceived environmental pickiness and this unrelated thought congealed into: "Oh look, Si-HA."

    But as I've already stated, it's just a vibe and a fairly vague one at that. He could be Si-Cre or not Si-valuing for all I care.
    I see, but I'd like to know what parts in the questionnaire made you see this impression.
    @Rouskyrie Do you relate to any of what GuavaDrunk described about the impression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I see, but I'd like to know what parts in the questionnaire made you see this impression.
    @Rouskyrie Do you relate to any of what GuavaDrunk described about the impression?
    Oh! Q2, second paragraph q4, question 5, 14 and 16; something about q6,7,9,11 in combination with everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    Oh! Q2, second paragraph q4, question 5, 14 and 16; something about q6,7,9,11 in combination with everything else.
    How are 5, 14 and 16 related to it in your opinion, can you say more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    How are 5, 14 and 16 related to it in your opinion, can you say more?
    5: nope
    14: Distance with which feeling volatile is described. Pushing negative attitudes towards others, as far away from the self as possible without completely disowning them. Talks about negativity as loss of control, idealisation of emotional self-control. Probably lives in his head and ideals more than in his gut/heart/unprocessed reactions, to a very noticeable degree. Possibly wishes humans were simpler. Potentially takes pride in this general attitude (or not, of course.) i.e.: cat walking carefully through raw humanity.
    16: supports 14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I see, but I'd like to know what parts in the questionnaire made you see this impression.
    @Rouskyrie Do you relate to any of what GuavaDrunk described about the impression?
    I can't say that I relate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie View Post
    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    I don't really choose them, per say. I simply talk to almost everyone I meet, or at least say "Hello" and offer them a compliment on something I like about them and if the conversation progresses and a connection is there, generally a friendship results from that. However, I have a lot of people I would consider friends who wouldn't consider me friends, because I sincerely care about everyone I meet.
    I behave kindly and respectfully around them. I make jokes and make sure they know they're appreciated by me.
    @GuavaDrunk, actually I can see this answer as low Ethics. Not choosing friends... isn't all that much Fi. Keep LII in the running, I guess.

    It's funny because overall OP does come off very sensitive "feelery", more than any LII I've ever seen, even compared to the ones that try to regularly consider EII for themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    @GuavaDrunk, actually I can see this answer as low Ethics. Not choosing friends... isn't all that much Fi. Keep LII in the running, I guess.

    It's funny because overall OP does come off very sensitive "feelery", more than any LII I've ever seen, even compared to the ones that try to regularly consider EII for themselves
    Do I really come off as being that sensitive and "feelery"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie View Post
    I can't explain it well, other than saying Ni seems to be secondary in my case.
    I wouldn't say that I define what you said as wrong. But rather that I feel one can be a social introvert, while being a cognitive extrovert under Mbti/Socionics. A cognitive extrovert as in having Fe, Ne, Te or Se as a dominant function, of course.
    How strongly are you introverted socially and what does this look like?

    What seems "secondary" Ni? In the system of Socionics, this doesn't really say much. The Demonstrative function is actually pretty much the second strongest function especially for Inert/Base subtypes. EII has Ni Demonstrative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie View Post
    Do I really come off as being that sensitive and "feelery"?
    Yes, here:

    "I wish things could be discussed civilly, instead of being dealt with so harshly"
    "Power, to me, is merely something that people use as an excuse to feel superior to others"
    "wish I could hear"
    "Seeing others being treated badly has made me cry. A lot of things make me cry, honestly. Why? Because I'm awfully sensitive"
    "My sensitivity"
    "I dislike that others can see things in me that I can't seem to. (My strengths)."
    "I most like when other people are kind, empathetic and understanding"
    "I dislike most when other people are conflictual, constantly express anger openly and think that disrespecting others is okay."
    "My outward reaction is to acknowledge that their point of view as valid and to respectfully state why and how I disagree, as to avoid conflict."
    "unnecessary hatred and discrimination."
    "I behave kindly and respectfully"
    "make sure they know they're appreciated by me."


    And a bit in your writing style too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post

    It's funny because overall OP does come off very sensitive "feelery", more than any LII I've ever seen, even compared to the ones that try to regularly consider EII for themselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    Someone whose name has now been censored.
    I'm sorry, what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie View Post
    I'm sorry, what?
    I'm referring to myself here since I'm the LII who keeps identifying with EII.
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    @GuavaDrunk. @Myst. Is there any other information I could provide that would give you a better understanding?

    Here's something I answered on TypologyCentral:

    The Seven Pinpoints

    I. What do you generally focus on? (Duties aside)

    II. When looking at a painting, or any type of styled object, what demands your attention the most?
    A). The details of the object...
    B). The impressions that the object stirs within you...
    C). It's meaning and symbolism...
    D). What it could be...

    III. What quality do you dislike about some people that is something to be desired in yourself.?

    IV. What quality in you do people find annoying?

    V. Describe your general decision making process.

    VI. What stresses you most?

    VII. How do you gauge the value or worth of something?

    I. What do you generally focus on? (Duties aside)

    My focus is generally other people/improving things for them. I like to go out of my way to make them feel appreciated by doing things like sharing their art,buying art supplies for them, making sure they're doing okay, attending to whatever it is that's interfering with their happiness, planning surprises ahead of time based on things they say and overall improving things for them however they need it. Namely things like scheduling and compartmentalizing that make their lives more efficient. Another example would be organizing material that they're struggling with into a more understandable format. (I used to tutor fellow students in class when I noticed they were struggling. Complicated mathematical theory was never my forte, but I could easily demonstrate it for someone else's benefit.)

    II. When looking at a painting, or any type of styled object, what demands your attention the most?

    From most to least: C, A, D, B.

    III. What quality do you dislike about some people that is something to be desired in yourself?

    I don't feel there are any qualities that I dislike that I also desire to have. However, I sometimes desire to become more objective.

    IV. What quality in you do people find annoying?

    My insistence on hearing all sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion/attempting to resolve it. Example being that people would like for me to take their opinion of a situation and accept it as fact, but I can gain a better understanding of the situation as a whole when information from all sides has been accounted for and taken into consideration. Of course simply saying, "I need to hear the opinions of everyone else involved" can lead to making someone upset, as they may feel their viewpoint to be lesser, seeing as how it can't be accepted as a perfect representation of the situation. Therefore, instead I reply by saying, "Your viewpoint is valid. However, all other viewpoints should be treated as valid, as well, so I will need to hear everything inorder to be accurate."

    V. Describe your decision making process.

    - Will this affect others negatively? Yes. Okay, let's change it to be both efficient and tactful. Is this acceptable to others? *Asks other people for opinions.* Yes. Is this logically sound? *Asks other people for opinions, fact checks.* Yes. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Is this fine-tuned so I won't need to make changes later? No. Okay, let's look into improvements. Now that this I've planned ahead and accounted for various circumstances/rendered this easy to adjust, we're ready.

    - Is this easy to understand? No. Will this bore someone? No. Okay, let's prepare a shorter version to account for an audience that's not a fan of lengthy reading. A skit or song, perhaps. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Will someone find errors in this? Yes. Okay, let's account for the errors and make sure this will be perceived as factually sound. Now that I've done that, we're ready.

    VI. What stresses you most?

    Conflict and the open expression of anger. I recognize that emotions are a normal part of life and I treat them as such, as no one deserves to have their emotionsinvalidated. However, I've always found anger to be unsettling. Especially my own. Conflict stresses me mostly when it resorts to uncivil behavior. Generally, in the face of conflict, you wouldn't notice that it causes me stress. I would like to get away from it at the first sign of it's oncoming arrival, but my drive to solve it is greater my gut feeling to run away, especially if it involves someone I care about.

    VII. How do you gauge the value or worth of something?

    If it's an electronic device, I gauge the value or worth of it based on its performance.Technological malfunctions tend to annoy me.
    If it's art, I gauge the value or worth of it based on the fact that someone derived it from their imagination/creativity. I therefore can appreciate it merely for the fact that someone took time to create it.
    I look at people similarly to art: Each one is unique in their own way and therefore equally deserving of appreciation, despite how many strengths/specialties they may have.

    (I'm curious as to what could be inferred from this).
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    III. What quality do you dislike about some people that is something to be desired in yourself?

    I don't feel there are any qualities that I dislike that I also desire to have. However, I sometimes desire to become more objective.

    Suggests ethical > logical



    IV. What quality in you do people find annoying?


    My insistence on hearing all sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion/attempting to resolve it. Example being that people would like for me to take their opinion of a situation and accept it as fact, but I can gain a better understanding of the situation as a whole when information from all sides has been accounted for and taken into consideration. Of course simply saying, "I need to hear the opinions of everyone else involved" can lead to making someone upset, as they may feel their viewpoint to be lesser, seeing as how it can't be accepted as a perfect representation of the situation. Therefore, instead I reply by saying, "Your viewpoint is valid. However, all other viewpoints should be treated as valid, as well, so I will need to hear everything inorder to be accurate."

    Interesting. Perhaps some Ne here? To see the different possibilities?


    V. Describe your decision making process.

    - Will this affect others negatively? Yes. Okay, let's change it to be both efficient and tactful. Is this acceptable to others? *Asks other people for opinions.* Yes. Is this logically sound? *Asks other people for opinions, fact checks.* Yes. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Is this fine-tuned so I won't need to make changes later? No. Okay, let's look into improvements. Now that this I've planned ahead and accounted for various circumstances/rendered this easy to adjust, we're ready.

    - Is this easy to understand? No. Will this bore someone? No. Okay, let's prepare a shorter version to account for an audience that's not a fan of lengthy reading. A skit or song, perhaps. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Will someone find errors in this? Yes. Okay, let's account for the errors and make sure this will be perceived as factually sound. Now that I've done that, we're ready.

    I'm going to say EII is perhaps a bit more likely than LII here. The bolded parts suggest Te valuing. The process overall seems quite other-oriented. Although, I'm quite other oriented as well. I don't want to make decisions that will hurt other people.


    VI. What stresses you most?

    Conflict and the open expression of anger. I recognize that emotions are a normal part of life and I treat them as such, as no one deserves to have their emotionsinvalidated. However, I've always found anger to be unsettling. Especially my own. Conflict stresses me mostly when it resorts to uncivil behavior. Generally, in the face of conflict, you wouldn't notice that it causes me stress. I would like to get away from it at the first sign of it's oncoming arrival, but my drive to solve it is greater my gut feeling to run away, especially if it involves someone I care about.

    Sounds alot like possible Se PoLR. I could have written the exact same thing.


    VII. How do you gauge the value or worth of something?

    If it's an electronic device, I gauge the value or worth of it based on its performance.Technological malfunctions tend to annoy me.
    If it's art, I gauge the value or worth of it based on the fact that someone derived it from their imagination/creativity. I therefore can appreciate it merely for the fact that someone took time to create it.
    I look at people similarly to art: Each one is unique in their own way and therefore equally deserving of appreciation, despite how many strengths/specialties they may have.

    (I'm curious as to what could be inferred from this).

    The bolded part hints of Te. I'm like you, I believe all art and people have inherent worth. I can hardly tolerate it when people write some scathing review of some art. There is a human being behind that work. It may not mean anything to you but it means something to the creator and to other people.


    My assessment of you as EII still stands. Perhaps you are EII with an LII subtype and I am LII with an EII subtype?
    LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP



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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    III. What quality do you dislike about some people that is something to be desired in yourself?

    I don't feel there are any qualities that I dislike that I also desire to have. However, I sometimes desire to become more objective.

    Suggests ethical > logical



    IV. What quality in you do people find annoying?


    My insistence on hearing all sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion/attempting to resolve it. Example being that people would like for me to take their opinion of a situation and accept it as fact, but I can gain a better understanding of the situation as a whole when information from all sides has been accounted for and taken into consideration. Of course simply saying, "I need to hear the opinions of everyone else involved" can lead to making someone upset, as they may feel their viewpoint to be lesser, seeing as how it can't be accepted as a perfect representation of the situation. Therefore, instead I reply by saying, "Your viewpoint is valid. However, all other viewpoints should be treated as valid, as well, so I will need to hear everything inorder to be accurate."

    Interesting. Perhaps some Ne here? To see the different possibilities?


    V. Describe your decision making process.

    - Will this affect others negatively? Yes. Okay, let's change it to be both efficient and tactful. Is this acceptable to others? *Asks other people for opinions.* Yes. Is this logically sound? *Asks other people for opinions, fact checks.* Yes. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Is this fine-tuned so I won't need to make changes later? No. Okay, let's look into improvements. Now that this I've planned ahead and accounted for various circumstances/rendered this easy to adjust, we're ready.

    - Is this easy to understand? No. Will this bore someone? No. Okay, let's prepare a shorter version to account for an audience that's not a fan of lengthy reading. A skit or song, perhaps. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Will someone find errors in this? Yes. Okay, let's account for the errors and make sure this will be perceived as factually sound. Now that I've done that, we're ready.

    I'm going to say EII is perhaps a bit more likely than LII here. The bolded parts suggest Te valuing. The process overall seems quite other-oriented. Although, I'm quite other oriented as well. I don't want to make decisions that will hurt other people.


    VI. What stresses you most?

    Conflict and the open expression of anger. I recognize that emotions are a normal part of life and I treat them as such, as no one deserves to have their emotionsinvalidated. However, I've always found anger to be unsettling. Especially my own. Conflict stresses me mostly when it resorts to uncivil behavior. Generally, in the face of conflict, you wouldn't notice that it causes me stress. I would like to get away from it at the first sign of it's oncoming arrival, but my drive to solve it is greater my gut feeling to run away, especially if it involves someone I care about.

    Sounds alot like possible Se PoLR. I could have written the exact same thing.


    VII. How do you gauge the value or worth of something?

    If it's an electronic device, I gauge the value or worth of it based on its performance.Technological malfunctions tend to annoy me.
    If it's art, I gauge the value or worth of it based on the fact that someone derived it from their imagination/creativity. I therefore can appreciate it merely for the fact that someone took time to create it.
    I look at people similarly to art: Each one is unique in their own way and therefore equally deserving of appreciation, despite how many strengths/specialties they may have.

    (I'm curious as to what could be inferred from this).

    The bolded part hints of Te. I'm like you, I believe all art and people have inherent worth. I can hardly tolerate it when people write some scathing review of some art. There is a human being behind that work. It may not mean anything to you but it means something to the creator and to other people.


    My assessment of you as EII still stands. Perhaps you are EII with an LII subtype and I am LII with an EII subtype?
    Thank you for your input, I really appreciate it. Perhaps so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie;1157295 @[URL="http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/member.php?u=2378"
    GuavaDrunk[/URL]. @Myst. Is there any other information I could provide that would give you a better understanding?
    OK I read your new questionnaire answers but let me add one thing first, you do choose friends after all, since you say: "However, I have a lot of people I would consider friends who wouldn't consider me friends, because I sincerely care about everyone I meet". @GuavaDrunk tagging you too


    I. What do you generally focus on? (Duties aside)

    My focus is generally other people/improving things for them. I like to go out of my way to make them feel appreciated by doing things like sharing their art,buying art supplies for them, making sure they're doing okay, attending to whatever it is that's interfering with their happiness, planning surprises ahead of time based on things they say and overall improving things for them however they need it. Namely things like scheduling and compartmentalizing that make their lives more efficient. Another example would be organizing material that they're struggling with into a more understandable format. (I used to tutor fellow students in class when I noticed they were struggling. Complicated mathematical theory was never my forte, but I could easily demonstrate it for someone else's benefit.)
    An example where you actually scheduled/"compartmentalized" to help someone make their lives more efficient?


    III. What quality do you dislike about some people that is something to be desired in yourself?

    I don't feel there are any qualities that I dislike that I also desire to have. However, I sometimes desire to become more objective.
    Yeah, I don't think I was too serious about the LII suggestion.


    IV. What quality in you do people find annoying?

    My insistence on hearing all sides of a situation before coming to a conclusion/attempting to resolve it. Example being that people would like for me to take their opinion of a situation and accept it as fact, but I can gain a better understanding of the situation as a whole when information from all sides has been accounted for and taken into consideration. Of course simply saying, "I need to hear the opinions of everyone else involved" can lead to making someone upset, as they may feel their viewpoint to be lesser, seeing as how it can't be accepted as a perfect representation of the situation. Therefore, instead I reply by saying, "Your viewpoint is valid. However, all other viewpoints should be treated as valid, as well, so I will need to hear everything inorder to be accurate."
    Delta values. And yes, Ne. A serial killer's viewpoint about wanting and planning to kill the next victim is also valid?


    V. Describe your decision making process.

    - Will this affect others negatively? Yes. Okay, let's change it to be both efficient and tactful. Is this acceptable to others? *Asks other people for opinions.* Yes. Is this logically sound? *Asks other people for opinions, fact checks.* Yes. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Is this fine-tuned so I won't need to make changes later? No. Okay, let's look into improvements. Now that this I've planned ahead and accounted for various circumstances/rendered this easy to adjust, we're ready.

    - Is this easy to understand? No. Will this bore someone? No. Okay, let's prepare a shorter version to account for an audience that's not a fan of lengthy reading. A skit or song, perhaps. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

    - Will someone find errors in this? Yes. Okay, let's account for the errors and make sure this will be perceived as factually sound. Now that I've done that, we're ready.
    Really gives me Delta vibes. Agreed on Te/Fi


    VI. What stresses you most?

    Conflict and the open expression of anger. I recognize that emotions are a normal part of life and I treat them as such, as no one deserves to have their emotionsinvalidated. However, I've always found anger to be unsettling. Especially my own. Conflict stresses me mostly when it resorts to uncivil behavior. Generally, in the face of conflict, you wouldn't notice that it causes me stress. I would like to get away from it at the first sign of it's oncoming arrival, but my drive to solve it is greater my gut feeling to run away, especially if it involves someone I care about.
    OK, I was right about how you seem like Se PoLR.


    VII. How do you gauge the value or worth of something?

    If it's an electronic device, I gauge the value or worth of it based on its performance.Technological malfunctions tend to annoy me.
    If it's art, I gauge the value or worth of it based on the fact that someone derived it from their imagination/creativity. I therefore can appreciate it merely for the fact that someone took time to create it.
    I look at people similarly to art: Each one is unique in their own way and therefore equally deserving of appreciation, despite how many strengths/specialties they may have.
    More Delta... Ne, Te


    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    My assessment of you as EII still stands. Perhaps you are EII with an LII subtype and I am LII with an EII subtype?
    I'm really sure on EII-Fi too now for OP. Yeah, I like your new subtype system

    Seriously though, I guess OP is another EII-Fi that gets mixed up for EIE. I have no idea how that happens. For example a few people guessed EIE for Maritsa on here, or there was another EII-Fi on here that typed as EIE originally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I'm really sure on EII-Fi too now for OP. Yeah, I like your new subtype system

    Seriously though, I guess OP is another EII-Fi that gets mixed up for EIE. I have no idea how that happens. For example a few people guessed EIE for Maritsa on here, or there was another EII-Fi on here that typed as EIE originally.
    I would say maybe more EII-Ne though. Seems more similar to LII than to ESI.

    Also, I would answer questions V and VII similar by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chips and underwear View Post
    I would say maybe more EII-Ne though. Seems more similar to LII than to ESI.

    Also, I would answer questions V and VII similar by the way.
    I don't really see EII-Ne as more similar to LII. I went for EII-Fi because I see OP as quite strongly Rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    OK I read your new questionnaire answers but let me add one thing first, you do choose friends after all, since you say: "However, I have a lot of people I would consider friends who wouldn't consider me friends, because I sincerely care about everyone I meet". @GuavaDrunk tagging you too




    An example where you actually scheduled/"compartmentalized" to help someone make their lives more efficient?




    Yeah, I don't think I was too serious about the LII suggestion.




    Delta values. And yes, Ne. A serial killer's viewpoint about wanting and planning to kill the next victim is also valid?




    Really gives me Delta vibes. Agreed on Te/Fi




    OK, I was right about how you seem like Se PoLR.




    More Delta... Ne, Te




    I'm really sure on EII-Fi too now for OP. Yeah, I like your new subtype system

    Seriously though, I guess OP is another EII-Fi that gets mixed up for EIE. I have no idea how that happens. For example a few people guessed EIE for Maritsa on here, or there was another EII-Fi on here that typed as EIE originally.
    Ell-Fi. Fair enough.

    In regards to your questions, though:

    Firstly, "An example where you actually scheduled/"compartmentalized" to help someone make their lives more efficient?":

    I contacted the teacher for the class so that I could get the work for the rest of the marking period. I then took each lesson, simplified/provided clearer instruction, asked a few classmates to work on the material for feedback, made adjustments, then handed the complete simplified material back to the classmate in question. He passed the class with an A-.

    Secondly, "A serial killer's viewpoint about wanting and planning to kill the next victim is also valid?"

    If you define valid as "
    (of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent." then no, as plotting to kill a person isn't very fair to the person in question.
    If you define valid as "
    legally binding due to having been executed in compliance with the law." then yes, as it's legal to plan such a thing, so long as you don't take a substantial step in committing the crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouskyrie View Post
    I can't say that I relate.
    A'ight

    Sorry for late reply - life happened.

    What mostly jumps out at me from your second questionnaire is how e9 it sounds. It mostly reminds me of qualities and reactions in myself that, frankly, I try to work against. Because of that, I find it a little hard to see much else in the questionnaire, because my internal 'loss-of-self' alarm chimes are all: "~*look for the dark side*~", and this is just not socionically helpful.
    As such, I will decline to comment, apart from saying that you may well be Delta.

    However, you may not be Delta, too.

    Tagging @Myst in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    A'ight

    Sorry for late reply - life happened.

    What mostly jumps out at me from your second questionnaire is how e9 it sounds. It mostly reminds me of qualities and reactions in myself that, frankly, I try to work against. Because of that, I find it a little hard to see much else in the questionnaire, because my internal 'loss-of-self' alarm chimes are all: "~*look for the dark side*~", and this is just not socionically helpful.
    As such, I will decline to comment, apart from saying that you may well be Delta.

    However, you may not be Delta, too.

    Tagging @Myst in.
    OP doesn't really come off like you. You both may be E9 but you seem to write a lot differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    OP doesn't really come off like you. You both may be E9 but you seem to write a lot differently.
    Quadra difference? Sheer personality? Varied facets of Ze Enneagram? Different instinct stackings? Phase of the moon? OP seems to have embraced the search for harmony more than I have, that's for sure.
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