Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Which stackings are more common - thread split

  1. #1
    I sacrificed a goat to Zeus and I liked it
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Durmstrang School
    Posts
    2,845
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Which stackings are more common - thread split

    @Ghost Are you sure synflow is really more common? It seems to have a 100% correlation with negativism vs. positivism in socionics, and those are divided equally. I don't think we can judge how people actually are from how our society expects ​them to be.

  2. #2
    maniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    TIM
    EII
    Posts
    3,979
    Mentioned
    235 Post(s)
    Tagged
    7 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Verbrannte I know the person who came up with the theory and he has said sp/so is by far the most common stacking, sx/so and so/sp are the most uncommon, which I agree with. So probably.
    How is negativism/positivism and this theory even related...?

  3. #3
    I sacrificed a goat to Zeus and I liked it
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Durmstrang School
    Posts
    2,845
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Ghost From personal experience I don't really believe that. For example, at the poetry recital I went to there were probably at least 50 people, and it seemed like not one was Sp/So. There were lots and lots of Sx/So, however (although not exclusively). If you go to an event relating to politics (debate watch party, any sort of political organization), it's mostly So/Sp. If you think enneagram comes from how people are raised, people are not raised by society in general, they are raised by their parents, so of course what is sort of "maladjusted" for general society would not be extinguished since the standard social structures we have now are a fairly recent phenomenon. And anyways, it's the contraflows who cause change in society, and if there were an overwhelming number of synflows, nothing would ever happen and we'd basically be like ants and probably not even have stone tools or primitive instruments, much less science, philosophy, technology, etc.

    Well, contraflow tends to place themselves against others and so does negativist. They're more or less the exact same thing from what I've read. I think the enneagram can probably be derived from socionics but I think a lot of it will be derived from what I call the microdichotomies which no one has looked at yet as far as I know. Enneagram would basically be the highest-level description and socionics the lowest-level one if I am right, and lots and lots of things would lie in-between.

  4. #4
    maniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    TIM
    EII
    Posts
    3,979
    Mentioned
    235 Post(s)
    Tagged
    7 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Verbrannte Different places/events draws different kinds of people. Also since you are new at enneagram it's likely you mistype people, compared to this person I was talking about who has over 20 years of experience...
    I don't think most politicians are so/sp, because they are less common. A lot of politicians are sp/so, Trump and Hillary Clinton are.

    I believe you are born with your enneagram typology.

    Sp/sx rarely cause change in society, because they are social last=they don't care about society... but so/sp have the power to bring masses together and mobilize them yes, Adolf ****** for example. sx/so also have the power to mobilize a big group of people but maybe more of a sexual revolution than like.. black peoples rights.

    and if there were an overwhelming number of synflows, nothing would ever happen and we'd basically be like ants and probably not even have stone tools or primitive instruments, much less science, philosophy, technology, etc.
    I don't know how you are thinking here. Synflows aren't like ants that can't think with their own brains. Einstein was sp/so. But he didn't bring masses together like an so/sp or sx/so could.
    Let's put it this way: contraflow would rather lead something than be a part of it (except sp/sx who lack soc, therefore are the most independent stacking and cat like) compared to synflow who would rather be a part of it... sx/sp are weird because they want to belong in some ways but are shit at it, this makes an sx/sp 4 feel even more alien and depressed which feeds their ego-fixation melancholy.

    Flow #1 (synflow)

    sp/so (animals) = practical cooperation ~ revering the work of the harvest, the beasts of the field, the ‘fat of the land’
    so/sx
    (humans) = multifaceted/multidirectional attraction ~ the radiant festival of the four corners of the Earth
    sx/sp
    (hungry ghosts) = urgent bonding / ‘unfortunate’ belonging ~ the perpetually orthogonal embrace of the seeker/searcher

    Deeply human, compelled toward the process of humanity. Involved.

    Flow #2 (contraflow)
    sx/so (gods) = cultural revolutionary ~ attractive social catalyst, steering popular culture/the arts/the cultural zeitgeist in a new direction using potent new creative forms
    so/sp
    (titans) = culture warrior ~ social change by force and/or eternal higher principle, the booming thundering ‘voice of God’, the loftiest educators and highest clerics
    sp/sx
    (Hell) = acultural solipsism ~ counterculture original, underbelly exposure, smoldering mysterian, the fermenting underground, cool & detached

    Outliers, antisocial, energetically autonomous, chemically provocative, reverse-flow change catalysts. On some level, successfully rejecting the human condition…their own and that of others. Priest-gods of their own cult and eco-system.
    Also says this on his website

    a)A given person’s Enneagram type will modify and integrate with these expressions — potentially altering these themes significantly — as will personal history and current psychological state
    b) The descriptions of the characteristics of these flows won’t translate into simple literalizations of behaviors; the discussion of these opposite directions is to get at a quality of the substrate material from which these flows and their respective stackings are formed
    I feel uncomfortable discussing this theory because I'm not the one who came up with it. If you want to speak to the person who did, he is on many enneagram groups on fb.
    Last edited by maniac; 10-28-2016 at 02:11 PM.

  5. #5
    I sacrificed a goat to Zeus and I liked it
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Durmstrang School
    Posts
    2,845
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    @Ghost Sure, where do I go and what is his name? I still don't believe anything that you said. Without statistics, I'm going with personal experience over theoretical predictions. Theory is a good servant but a poor master.

  6. #6
    Poster Nutbag The Exception's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    my own personal bubble
    TIM
    LII-Ne
    Posts
    4,097
    Mentioned
    103 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    [QUOTE=Ghost;1155901

    Also says this on his website

    I feel uncomfortable discussing this theory because I'm not the one who came up with it. If you want to speak to the person who did, he is on many enneagram groups on fb.[/QUOTE]

    I actually talked to that person on chat. He typed me as 5w6-9w1-3w? so/sx I'm not quite sure about the stacking though. I think sp/so would be more likely. I don't think I have much SX and I have too much SP for it to be last. I care alot about my health, my comfort, and well being. I'm not always that in touch with my body though and I look to be more off into space than 'grounded.'

    I can see why some might think so/sx/sp though.

    More syn flow than contra flow probably.
    LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP



  7. #7
    I sacrificed a goat to Zeus and I liked it
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Durmstrang School
    Posts
    2,845
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    It looks like I scared away Ghost...

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •