Typing Request
Hello there.
I am looking for some help in determining my type. I have taken a few of the tests that are stickied at the top of this forum, as well as some others, but I notice that my results tend to be somewhat inconsistent. Perhaps there is a different way?
Originally Posted by Aramas
Filling out a questionnaire is probably a better approach. Like this one. I prefer it to the 80-question one, it's a bit shorter but should still give some useful information.
Also just posting to the forum and interacting with people here. The type should emerge over time.
THE 21 QUESTIONS
Personal concepts
1. What is beauty? What is love?
2. What are your most important values?
3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
Interests
5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
7. What do you think of daily chores?
8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
Evaluation & Behaviour
11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
13. In what areas of your life would you like help?
14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
People & Interactions
15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
21. How do you behave around strangers?
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
THE 21 QUESTIONS
Personal concepts
1. What is beauty? What is love?
Beauty is something I consider to be subjective. Every person's definition of beauty is different. What can be said is that it causes every person to experience pleasure. Love is also an interesting thing to try to define. Love is that feeling of warmth one experiences toward someoene else. Love can also be said to be a deep, enduring loyalty to someone that persists in spite of disagreements, however bitter. It's interesting, because love can exist without necessarily being felt. Sometimes it's only when one looks back at the memories one has with someone else that one feels the catalyzed emotion. In the moment, certain events we take as being insignificant or ordinary can, when viewed from a future perpsective, engender love.
2. What are your most important values?
This is very, very hard for me to say. I think my highest value includes freedom. It would be wrong to leave that answer as a single word, though, because most people in reality define the word freedom differently. I think that freedom entails the right to self-determination. I value an environment in which it is possible to follow one's own path, unencumbered by rules, regulations, laws, and the morals of others. Necessarily, this entails a frontier of some kind, or at least minimal government and bureaucracy. I feel like the development of modern society has, to a great degree, erased the chance to live without a great degree of imposition by governmental bureaucracy. There have been many times where I've found myself in a catch-22 that was ultimately due to some "no, you can't do that, and no, you can't do that either" kind of situation.
In addition to the value I place on freedom, there's also a value I place on the human mind as a sacred thing. There are few things I hold to be inviolable. This is one of them. I have very little patience for manipulative people who try to twist the minds of others, and I hold such people in utter contempt.
Aside from those lofty ideals, I place a lot of importance on close relationships, however few in my own life they might be.
3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
I can't say that I'm necessarily religious in any traditional way. I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, or other paranormal entities. Neither do I believe in any gods, goddesses, or deities neuter. If anyone could present any convincing evidence contrary to my beliefs, I'd willingly change them. I can't say I know everything. I just haven't seen anything spectacular or extraordinary that is easy to see. Certain patterns in human behavior and in existence in general, I tend to find remarkable. But these patterns are not really easily seen or observed. But they are curious. Being able to see certain patterns (not going into details) has given me something like panentheistic beliefs. Those don't entail anything supernatural, really, just that there's something probably really cool, vague, and ambiguous out there that gets at the fundamental nature of reality. And I like thinking about it.
4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
We would like to think that human conflict could be resolved without war, death, struggle, and fighting. But humans are selfish. Their fundamental motives are often at odds with each other. Wars don't happen because of misunderstandings. They usually happen because someone has what someone else wants. So the offending party decides to take whatever he wants. Power is the ability to exert one's will on reality and other people. It's the ability to make desires happen in external reality.
Interests
5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
Psychology, history, current events, religion, philosophy, economics, and probably lots of other things. I'm kinda weird in that I'm interested in a lot, but I'm only a little bit interested in a lot of things. So I'm interested in everything and nothing. My interests tend to go in cycles. I delve into one thing for a long time, almost obsessing over it, then move to something different. As the years pass, old interests come back and new ones get shoved into a trunk for a while. Most people only get to see one side of me, and infer that I'm into this but not that, or vice versa. I think I'm fundamentally a dilettante.
6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
I've certainly talked about it before and read about it. Sometimes I look at alternative sources, because I'm not 100% sure I believe the mainstream consensus opinions about medicine and nutrition. I feel like I'm about as focused as everyone else is on his own body. I definitely don't sleep enough, though, and should probably do lots more of that.
7. What do you think of daily chores?
Boring. I often forget about them or ignore them until later. I tend to minimize the necessity for chores by living simply.
8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
Ever seen the TV series FarScape? That was the most recent series I watched in its entirety that I found fascinating. Fundamentally, I feel like it was an exposition on human character and nature more than anything else. And out of all the presentations of character I've seen in a fictional medium, this strange old TV series was the one I feel did it in the most realistic manner possible.
9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
The thought of losing my last surviving parent has gotten me down recently. I was pretty connected to my parents as a kid, because I grew up more isolated than not. I know that I still have that one person left, but age is bound to carry them along to the grave sooner or later. And the thought that I will have no one left after that is really something that gets to me. Perhaps if I'd developed a best friend as a kid, I'd have someone with whom I shared a similar well of memories on back into the distant past. But for me, that last parent is the only person on Earth I have a long stream of memories with. All my latter relationships have been tragic, fun, and interesting, but not really anywhere near as deep. Most of them haven't even scratched the surface. (TMI much?)
It's hard to say what has made me smile. If I smile, it's usually so I can give other people a positive impression in a social situation, or to try to tell myself to be happier than I am.
10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
I feel more at one with my physical environment than a sense of social belonging. To be honest, I wasn't sure how to read this question. I usually prefer quiet environments.
Evaluation & Behaviour
11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
Tact, especially when I was a teenager. In addition to that, I am pretty egotistical at times. About myself, I dislike the fact that I'm a pretty impractical person with a weak body that's very easily fatigued.
12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
Booksmarts, intelligence, the ability to get other people to open up to me (which honestly surprised me). I like the fact that I am capable of understanding a lot of things easily that might give others trouble, and that I have a good memory for certain types of facts. I have a mild case of encyclopedic memory.
13. In what areas of your life would you like help?
Financial assistance would help, or simply someone providing a home base to recoup lost energy in peace. We would all like more money, though, wouldn't we?
14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
This is my default state. My reaction is usually to be lazy or to distract myself with entertainment, learning, or reading.
People & Interactions
15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
I like people who are kind and understanding, people who comprehend others well and still generally like them. I like people who aren't controlling, belligerent, or demeaning. Conversely, I hate people who are controlling, belligerent, or demeaning. One of the worst traits in people I've found is their tendency to try to change the behavior or thinking of others by manipulating rather than by straightforward contradiction or open discussion. That one really pisses me off. One thing that annoys me a little, but not much, is when I see people who are incapable of drawing inferences about other people, people who think that only a small subset of human behavior is not strange. These people are usually highly inexperienced in life, and haven't really seen much. I tend to get along with people who are generally better than average at getting along with people. Anything less than a "people wizard," and I'm usually either at a loss for how to interact with that person, or I end up screwing shit up pretty badly.
16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
This one's a hard one. Maybe it's because I'm not quite sure I want to go in depth on this topic on an open forum. I feel like I enjoy the thought of classical romance at times, although I see myself as the more "yin" partner. In a partner, I would want someone who is both strong (incl. physically), and kind.
17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
I'm not interested in raising children. But if I had to, I would probably see it as my duty to ensure that the child was educated well enough to think for himself. It's a quality that is extraordinarily rare. Schools don't teach it. I would consider it important because, if I cared about the kid, I would want him to be able to take care of himself, not get screwed over by other people, and be able to genuinely understand and navigate the world he lives in.
18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
Get pissed off. Yes, I realize that's not what I should do, but if I'm honest, it's what happens. I tend to get argumentative. If I don't have a reply readied, I might just sit quietly until I can extricate myself from a situation.
19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
My relationship to society? Ha ha ha. That's a good one. I don't think that there is a singular organism called society, but if there were one, I'd say it's a pretty ruthless creature. People as a whole, I kind of think of them as floundering around trying to make things work that are bound never to work. They all have wants, desires, needs, and all sorts of personal characteristics. Technically, I can't call them good or bad, because I don't believe in objective morality, but I feel like most modern people are not very caring about others. This is what I consider to be a prevalent social problem. Everyone wants to get for himself, but no one *really, genuinely, sincerely* wants to help another person beyond what is required. No one goes the extra mile for anyone else.
20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
I don't think I tend to consciously choose my friends. Most of the time, it just happens. A large number of balls are thrown at a wall. Some stick, some don't, and some fall off after a few minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, or years. I tend to portray myself as a confident person who attempts to entertain at times. On other occasions, I tend to be more withdrawn. It just depends.
21. How do you behave around strangers?
I either am completely non-interactive, or forceful enough to present a certain amount of confidence as above. I think I have a tendency to come off as brash or arrogant. On the other hand, I can be shy occasionally. It just depends. There's no one way I behave around someone new. Sometimes, on rare occasion, I can even be enthused. I will go through, at times, manic phases, from which I need a few days to a couple weeks to calm down.
Feel free to ask for clarification if you think I didn't give enough information on a certain question.
Last edited by Aramas; 10-30-2016 at 08:45 AM.
"This is very, very hard for me to say."
low emphasis on Ti?
"I think my highest value includes freedom"
Given the context, this sounds Gamma-ish.
"Aside from those lofty ideals, I place a lot of importance on close relationships, however few in my own life they might be."
Fi values?
"I'm kinda weird in that I'm interested in a lot, but I'm only a little bit interested in a lot of things. So I'm interested in everything and nothing. My interests tend to go in cycles. I delve into one thing for a long time, almost obsessing over it, then move to something different. As the years pass, old interests come back and new ones get shoved into a trunk for a while. Most people only get to see one side of me, and infer that I'm into this but not that, or vice versa. I think I'm fundamentally a dilettante."
Lots of Ne, probably Leading > Creative > Demonstrative
"What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
Tact"
"Anything less than a "people wizard," and I'm usually either at a loss for how to interact with that person, or I end up screwing shit up pretty badly."
Definitely not ethical.
"Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
This is my default state."
Hmm, introverted?
"My relationship to society? Ha ha ha. That's a good one. I don't think that there is a singular organism called society, but if there were one, I'd say it's a pretty ruthless creature. "
Se valuing? Te ego?
"I think I have a tendency to come off as brash or arrogant."
Some Se here.
Lots of conflicting signals but perhaps LIE fits best. Sort of introverted, but also can be brash, difficulty interacting with others but values kindness etc. I might consider other decisive logical types, but it seems like you have a lot of Ne.
Can you expand on this? :
"There have been many times where I've found myself in a catch-22 that was ultimately due to some "no, you can't do that, and no, you can't do that either" kind of situation."
Hum, you could be Fi polr "I tend to get along with people who are generally better than average at getting along with people. "
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sure. The basic point I was getting at is that governmental regulations have made it much harder for people who aren't well off in society to survive. I am from a low socioeconomic status background, and so I've seen a lot of this both in my own life and in the life of one of my friends who lives a few houses down the street. One good example is that it's very much a PITA to get a car inspected in this state. Apparently the government here is not only cracking down on regular citizens, but also on the people who do car inspections by trying to catch them doing certain things that make the inspections easier to pass, but which also don't make the vehicles any less safe to drive. Our state has gotten into a habit of failing cars for very insignificant things. The consequence of this kind of regulation is an increased cost on the part of those who have to get their cars inspected, because they often have to pay large amounts of money to mechanics for needless labor. And for honest mechanics who actually want to help their customers, it places a burden on them to either charge money they don't want to charge, or run the risk of breaking the law and getting caught. Poor folks, and average people, are more and more often finding themselves between a rock and a hard place, so to speak. That's what I was getting at.
This is very, very hard for me to say."
low emphasis on Ti?
---Did you mean to say Fi since the question was asking about values?
"I think my highest value includes freedom"
Given the context, this sounds Gamma-ish.
---Could be, but it could also just be Exxp not liking too many Ixxj rules, regulations, or moral standards.
"Aside from those lofty ideals, I place a lot of importance on close relationships, however few in my own life they might be."
Fi values?
--Yes, this does sound Fi valuing and would be consistent with Fi seeking in the LIE.
"I'm kinda weird in that I'm interested in a lot, but I'm only a little bit interested in a lot of things. So I'm interested in everything and nothing. My interests tend to go in cycles. I delve into one thing for a long time, almost obsessing over it, then move to something different. As the years pass, old interests come back and new ones get shoved into a trunk for a while. Most people only get to see one side of me, and infer that I'm into this but not that, or vice versa. I think I'm fundamentally a dilettante."
Lots of Ne, probably Leading > Creative > Demonstrative
--I agree with that.
"What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
Tact"
"Anything less than a "people wizard," and I'm usually either at a loss for how to interact with that person, or I end up screwing shit up pretty badly."
--Weak and/or unvalued Fi
"Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
This is my default state."
Hmm, introverted?
--Also mentioned prone to being lazy, which would be more common for Ixxp and/or judicious types. Since judicious types default state is a more relaxed one and have to 'push themselves' to mobilize. LIE tends to be more 'driven' overall, they have mobilizing Se.
"My relationship to society? Ha ha ha. That's a good one. I don't think that there is a singular organism called society, but if there were one, I'd say it's a pretty ruthless creature. "
Se valuing? Te ego?
--I also agree that society can be quite ruthless and I'm a clear Se PoLR.
"I think I have a tendency to come off as brash or arrogant."
Some Se here.
--I think Se is more prone to this but other functions could be this way as well.
Lots of conflicting signals but perhaps LIE fits best. Sort of introverted, but also can be brash, difficulty interacting with others but values kindness etc. I might consider other decisive logical types, but it seems like you have a lot of Ne.
--My initial impression was actually IEE. I did see strong Ne, I think we can agree on that. And you do make a good case for LIE. The Fi does seem more like a suggestible than a creative function overall. Particularly the response to question #9. This person needs close relationships in their life and feels like they don't have enough of that.
There's lots of mention of Fi throughout, I think it's probably valued. The response to #15 seemed to have alot of Ne+Fi and away from Se valuing. Dislike of belligerent, controlling people.
I didn't see a whole lot obvious signs for Ti PoLR though. Maybe the part about freedom and the dislike of all the rules and regulations. Also there was a mention a few times about valuing the ability to think for oneself. I think this could be several types for different reasons. Perhaps its Ti PoLR if the person is protesting against the preset logical categories and hierarchies? Also possibility the response to question #18.
Good memory of facts in question #12- it could be related to Te base in the LIE, Te mobilizing in the IEE or even Te demonstrative.
Question #13: "In what areas of your life would you like help"
Financial assistance would help, or simply someone providing a home base to recoup lost energy in peace. We would all like more money, though, wouldn't we?
This sounds like Te and Si seeking, consistent with IEE. The statement about money sounds like Te valuing. Not everyone wants more money.
Question #12 - Good at getting people to open up to them. This would be more likely for an Fi ego type.
Question #6- "I feel like I'm about as focused as everyone else is on his own body. I definitely don't sleep enough, though, and should probably do lots more of that."
This doesn't sound like painful Si. Low Si perhaps, but not painful.
Question #8- Mention about liking Farscape for its exposition on human character and nature. This sounds more like an NF kind of response. But then again, expositions on human character could appeal to just about anyone.
Question #10 Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
"I feel more at one with my physical environment than a sense of social belonging. To be honest, I wasn't sure how to read this question. I usually prefer quiet environments."
This does not sound like a response a person with painful Si would make. A person with painful Si likely would not feel very at home in a physical environments.
Preferring quiet environments does sound more introverted, or perhaps Si > Se valuing.
Question #11 What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
"Tact, especially when I was a teenager. In addition to that, I am pretty egotistical at times. About myself, I dislike the fact that I'm a pretty impractical person with a weak body that's very easily fatigued."
Lack of tact and egotistical would be more likely for LIE than IEE. Both LIE and IEE have 1-D Si but IEE is probably more likely to perceive themselves as impractical since the Te base can help out with practicality from a pragmatic, efficient point of view. Both types might not like that they have a weak body. The question ultimately is- does the person seek Si or is Si their pain? LIE tends be more focused on productivity and probably more inclined to complain about being easily fatigued.
Question #20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
"I don't think I tend to consciously choose my friends. Most of the time, it just happens. A large number of balls are thrown at a wall. Some stick, some don't, and some fall off after a few minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, or years. I tend to portray myself as a confident person who attempts to entertain at times. On other occasions, I tend to be more withdrawn. It just depends."
--Friendships just happening without conscious choice sounds like weak or unvalued Fi.
A confident person who attempts to entertain. This could be true for either IEE or LIE. In IEE, the entertaining comes from demonstrative Fe and the confidence from mobilizing Te and role Se. For LIE, the Te is base, Se mobilizing, and Fe is the role.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
No. Ti is more about values than Fi is. Fi is more about virtue and character.
Yes, this is one of the parts that isn't totally consistent.--Also mentioned prone to being lazy, which would be more common for Ixxp and/or judicious types. Since judicious types default state is a more relaxed one and have to 'push themselves' to mobilize. LIE tends to be more 'driven' overall, they have mobilizing Se.
What are the chances that you would make a statement like that without prompting? Not in a million years. Originating information is different from agreeing with it.--I also agree that society can be quite ruthless and I'm a clear Se PoLR.
ok yes, that does seem like a bad reaction to
regulations, backed up by
pragmatism & facts.
The truth is that I might not know my strength with other people. I had a friend tell me a few months back that my strength was that I understand how to get other people to open up to me. It's something I've noticed before in the past in isolated cases, but I never thought of it as a strength really, just something that was a personal trait. If my friend is right, then I am not really sure how I get other people to do that. It's not like I actively try to get other people to tell me more about themselves. They just kind of do it a lot. Recently, when I was talking to one of my friends in his car, he told me about a lot of things, and then said that I was a very accepting or "chill" person. I guess I am pretty accepting. I can't see much out there to reject a person for, especially the kind of things he was dealing with. He seems so worried at times that people will judge him for some identity issues he's having. From my perspective, they seem like such small things -- not insignificant, per se, but definitely not things I would turn him away for, or judge him for. Maybe it's because I am used to being "outside the norms" of society in terms of how I think, what my aspirations are (I kinda lack practical aspirations, I just want to be able to survive and not have to worry about the essentials), and what makes me judge others as good poeple, so I would never really have any issues with people who are similar to me in that respect.
That said, maybe I underrate my abilities with people because of some rather harsh criticism I've had from others in the past who might not have been entirely well-meaning. Or maybe my perceptions are accurate. I'm not really sure.
Well, people open up to people who they sense to have some trustworthiness, tenderness, quiet and absorbing nature.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I agree with Fi being about virtue and character.
I think you're defining values a bit differently than I would. I see it more in terms of morals, ethics, acting in a way that's true to oneself. You probably see it more as a consistent set of principles to live by. That would be more Ti, I agree.
Not without a very good reason. I'd be far more likely to attribute it to a particular individual than society as a whole. But if society was truly corrupt and I kept witnessing it from day to day then its possible I could say something like that.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
That's sort of besides the point though -- we have to understand it to mean whatever it means for the respondent. In my experience, Fi ego types hardly ever use the word values in talking about Fi. Not nearly as much as Ti types would use it in talking about Ti.
I tend to interpret the word "value" as meaning what someone thinks is important. I tend to spend more of my time focusing on interests and activities that make me feel good or stuff that's interesting. To say what's important is difficult because... Well I dunno. I can only say what I like personally and what I want to exist in the world. Certain aspects of character, certain kinds of people, certain things to do, an ideal kind of world I'd like to live in. That's how I interpret questions that ask me about my values.
Edit with thoughts on current progress:
So far it seems like there are several possibilities: LIE, IEE, and Fi polr.
Last edited by Aramas; 10-31-2016 at 08:24 PM.
I have no disagreement with this line of thought.
You're right about that. From what I've read, it could be indicative of Se as a valued or unvalued function. There's no distinction there. On the other hand, arrogance can come from a lot of different sources though. Mine tends to be primarily intellectual. It could be from having Te as a superid function. Do types often want others to congratulate them in accomplishments that relate to the superid functions? What about Se as a Role function? Could this fit?
It's possible that this statement is related to socionics and type. But it could also mean that someone has had an extended period where they've found life difficult for whatever reason. That's my opinion here.
I think I can agree with this. It could be gamma-related, but it could also simply relate to being an EP. I don't like being hampered by red tape, and, referring back to the post I made just above, I feel like there's way too much of it in modern American life that makes everyday life more difficult for average people. For example, I would much rather be able to simply talk to the owner of a business or a manager and be able to apply for a job directly. The online process is very depressing at times.
This could be weak/unvalued Fi. It could also mean that I'm simply not that great at social or people skills. I was pretty isolated when I grew up, so I had a lot of catching up to do as an adolescent. And, truth be told, I still feel far behind everyone else. I do my best, though. What relation does Fi have with people/social skills? Is it a direct correlation? Always?
You could be right. I didn't really read that socionics interpretation into those statements, but it seems that what you're saying could be plausible. I tend to worry a lot about basic needs and survival at times. "What am I going to do with myself? Ha! I haven't the slightest clue." And you're right that not everyone wants more money, but a lot of people do, especially if they come from a place where meeting basic needs was a constant issue. It's their way of saying, "I wish I didn't have to deal with that."
Last edited by Aramas; 11-01-2016 at 05:24 AM.
There is a distinction as to how much types use a function, but it's not quite as simple as valued or unvalued. Se ego types (particularly Se lead) can come off that way, but to a lesser degree also Se Mobilizing or Se Role. It would be extremely unlikely for an Se Suggestive or Se Vulnerable type to seem brash and arrogant.
Again, that also fitsOn the other hand, arrogance can come from a lot of different sources though. Mine tends to be primarily intellectual.
Yes.Do types often want others to congratulate them in accomplishments that relate to the superid functions?
Maybe.What about Se as a Role function? Could this fit?
What you said has also relates to Fe IMO, whch is why I find weak ethics likely.This could be weak/unvalued Fi. It could also mean that I'm simply not that great at social or people skills. I was pretty isolated when I grew up, so I had a lot of catching up to do as an adolescent. And, truth be told, I still feel far behind everyone else. I do my best, though. What relation does Fi have with people/social skills? Is it a direct correlation? Always?
Could you explain how what I said also relates to Fe? I don't feel like your answer here really responded to what I wrote. Also, one of the posts I wrote above was me doubting my first response to the question and saying that I don't really know how good I am with people. To some degree, assessments like how good we are with people can relate to prior experience, current mood, life circumstance, and whether we're in a compatible social environment. So I don't think that statement alone should be used to determine a strong or weak Ethics function.
The main issue I have with being a Te ego type is that I don't consider myself to be a very practical, pragmatic, or efficient person. And it's hard for me to see myself as a Te-ego type when every description I've read seems rife with statements that relate to the life orientation of those with lots of Te in their egos. In my own life, I tend to follow my curiosities wherever they lead me. I am quite a bit of a wanderer as a result. I like reading and watching a lot. But I don't see myself as a highly focused or goal oriented person like many decisive people are. Judicious probably fits me better.
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"tact", "Anything less than a "people wizard," and I'm usually either at a loss for how to interact with that person, or I end up screwing shit up pretty badly."
There is nothing here that strongly points to weakness of Fi rather than Fe, that's all I was saying. I'm not sure why @chips and underwear specifically related it to Fi.
Alright, looking back on it IEE does seem to fit most of what you have said, including the inconsistent levels of sociability (extroverted and intuitive) and desire for freedom (subdued Ti and Se). I might also consider ILI though -- Se Suggestive types are often not highly focused or goal oriented.The main issue I have with being a Te ego type is that I don't consider myself to be a very practical, pragmatic, or efficient person.
And it's hard for me to see myself as a Te-ego type when every description I've read seems rife with statements that relate to the life orientation of those with lots of Te in their egos. In my own life, I tend to follow my curiosities wherever they lead me. I am quite a bit of a wanderer as a result. I like reading and watching a lot. But I don't see myself as a highly focused or goal oriented person like many decisive people are. Judicious probably fits me better.
Okay cool. Why do you see ILI as a possibility?
Personal update: I feel more certain about not having strong Ti. I had a conversation with an acquaintance recently, and I noticed that his style of communication was antithetical to my own. He had a certain way of asking questions and questioning the meaning of what I said that drove me absolutely batty. He had a really strong interest/emphasis on philosophy, had studied it extensively, and really, really, really espoused what he thought to be logical thought. To me, it seemed like it bogged the conversation down to a standstill. Usually, my mind is going in a thousand directions at once, and being forced to drag myself into his one-tracked mode of thought felt restrictive as heck. I just couldn't do it, and eventually blew up on him. That was the end of our acquaintanceship lol. I have always been interested to some small degree in learning about clear thinking, but I don't think I ever took it to the extreme that he did. To me, it seemed like an enormous over-emphasis on that kind of thought/behavior.
A lot of the result happened because I was trying to make casual conversation with him, and he would start analyzing and picking everything I said apart. It was terrible! It completely distracted from the goal I perceived in the conversation. When I told him this, he said, "Then what's the point of the conversation if not to do what I'm doing now?" He totally didn't understand me.
I knew someone else in the past who did stuff like that, and it kinda annoyed me then too, but not as much as this person. I think the second individual might have had a weaker emphasis on Ti.
I'm still wondering whether I might be IEE or EII-Ne, though. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I'm Delta NF.
SLI, not LSI
I'm not trying to insinuate that LSIs are all government bureaucrats, noo, I'm just saying your approach is Irrational, not Rational, you don't want much of a strict organization of things.
Yeah reading the whole questionnaire it's SLI, you are open to new ideas, interests that you recycle, you think it's normal to be focused on the body, you easily get stuck in ruts, while very bad at Fe people skills, etc. And your definition of love was Fi-oriented.
Soooo SLI too: "sit quietly until I can extricate myself from a situation"
Questionnaires are rather prone to bias for anyone who has done a cursory reading of Socionics articles. I don't rely on them anymore.Yeah reading the whole questionnaire it's SLI, you are open to new ideas, interests that you recycle, you think it's normal to be focused on the body, you easily get stuck in ruts, while very bad at Fe people skills, etc. And your definition of love was Fi-oriented.
Soooo SLI too: "sit quietly until I can extricate myself from a situation"
Really? None of the opinions you expressed are your actual opinions? None of the facts you described are actual facts but just lies?
No. None of what I posted was an intentional lie. My point is that people often like to picture themselves in certain ways, so they selectively reproduce memories and events in such a way that construe them as what they want to be. This happens a lot in Socionics, as people at certain times like the idea of being a certain type, so they construct their narratives in a way that allow them to deceive themselves. It's an unconscious process. As such, it's not really under the control of the individual to construct an accurate narrative about their own behavior. So it's best to use external cues when trying to type people or trying to understand them. What they say about themselves is usually untrustworthy.
In the context of a Socionics forum, this means that you're better off figuring out how someone thinks by looking at the corpus of their forum posts here and noticing how they think over a period of time. Once people post enough, their natural character will come out through how they talk about other things.
Sure ok, but you posted things in direct conflict with the LSI typing. (And a few other typings, like any F type for example.)
It's okay, you can type in whatever way you want, I just wanted to add my input.
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