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    Exclamation Am I ESE or EIE?

    I really need some help distinguishing between these two.

    I have narrowed my type down to Fe-dominant. But how can I determine if I am ESE or EIE?

    I know I certainly relate more to EIE descriptions than ESE ones but that likely doesn't mean much.

    I didn't think it appropriate to post a full-on questionnaire here... because they haven't really helped with this in the past.

    Rather, can someone perhaps ask me more isolated questions to determine this? I'm plenty willing to give whatever information is needed.

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    to guess your destiny we need a your blood video-interview
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    to guess your destiny we need a your blood video-interview
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    Posted one before. Didn't lead to anything conclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    Posted one before. Didn't lead to anything conclusive.
    Have checked the past. My conclusion was ESTP or ESFP. So if you are sure in F, then ESFP. You are clearly not EIE.
    Try to use intertype relations to uderstand the type. Better to type people near you, or to try my bloggers list. To choose between ESE and SEE by intertype relations effects is not hard, plus SEI may be checked as 3rd variant (ESI is excluded). Will need some time though and efforts.
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    I don't think you're either of those. I was looking through your profile and posts and I noticed a few things:

    1. Your profile picture, if that's you, looks more introverted, although EIEs can imitate anything so that's not entirely conclusive.
    2. You put your instinctual stacking as So/Sx which is synflow. Synflow and counterflow have more or less a 100% correlation with positivist and negativist types, respectively. EIE is a negativist type and ESE just seems extremely unlikely for many other reasons.
    3. You don't like hosting parties. What kind of Ej are you even.
    4. Your values are more subjective. That's for types, not .
    5. You don't care about society. leads are largely defined as caring about society.
    6. You don't make people do things. EIE loves to make people do things. That's more or less what EIE is.
    7. The flow of the writing style seems mostly HP to me: A lot of skipping around at different parts within a larger framework, mostly.
    8. You dislike dramatic environments. leads seem to tend to like it a lot when dramatic things happen.

    So I would say based on your old questionnaires, profile pictures, and some other things that you're ESI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    I don't think you're either of those. I was looking through your profile and posts and I noticed a few things:


    3. You don't like hosting parties. What kind of Ej are you even.
    Uh? That's a serious over-simplification of a type.

    5. You don't care about society. leads are largely defined as caring about society.
    Over-simplification.

    6. You don't make people do things. EIE loves to make people do things. That's more or less what EIE is.
    Commanding and moving people around is Se ego.


    8. You dislike dramatic environments. leads seem to tend to like it a lot when dramatic things happen.
    I can say I dislike something all I want on a questionnaire. I may even believe it myself. However, what actually manifests in person is different.

    So I would say based on your old questionnaires, profile pictures, and some other things that you're ESI.
    I've no problem with that. But, instead of behaviors it would be nice if someone looks more at actual underlying thinking patterns.

    Plenty of people from my old questionnaires also suggested Beta NF. Including @Aylen
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    Now I see what you were getting at with the other thread. Are you more confident in your ability to work hard (Se) or to come up with original ideas (Ne)? Which one is more of an aspiration (mobilizing function) and less something that you can do automatically (demonstrative function)? How much are you prone to self-doubt? Do you prefer to keep things light and happy, how comfortable are you with the dark and deep side of life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy
    I've no problem with that. But, instead of behaviors it would be nice if someone looks more at actual underlying thinking patterns.


    The problem is that there aren't a lot of ways to describe underlying thinking patterns in the English language, just like there aren't a lot of ways to describe smells. I'll get back when I can describe those better if you want then.

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    Where's your video?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    ESFP

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Now I see what you were getting at with the other thread. Are you more confident in your ability to work hard (Se) or to come up with original ideas (Ne)? Which one is more of an aspiration (mobilizing function) and less something that you can do automatically (demonstrative function)? How much are you prone to self-doubt? Do you prefer to keep things light and happy, how comfortable are you with the dark and deep side of life?
    I am a hard worker and good with ideas. I work at a barn and am a veterinary technology student. I also write fantasy stories and such. Both aren't too much of an issue.

    I'm prone to quite a bit of daydreaming. I can make a story out of anything. "Working hard" doesn't really come as much of a second nature, I suppose, though.

    I'm prone to a lot of self-doubt.

    I'm not really light and happy I've always been a bit melancholy. I study witchcraft and Paganism. I've always believed that there has to be more to life than meets the eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    to guess your destiny we need a your blood video-interview
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450
    Sol is a vampire: CONFIRMED



    substitute all instances of "count" with "type" and that's Sol. instead of counting he'd be reciting IEs
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    @hag I thought he was a dark blood sorcerer, not a vampire. Vampires just drink it IIRC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    I am a hard worker and good with ideas. I work at a barn and am a veterinary technology student. I also write fantasy stories and such. Both aren't too much of an issue.

    I'm prone to quite a bit of daydreaming. I can make a story out of anything. "Working hard" doesn't really come as much of a second nature, I suppose, though.

    I'm prone to a lot of self-doubt.

    I'm not really light and happy I've always been a bit melancholy. I study witchcraft and Paganism. I've always believed that there has to be more to life than meets the eye.
    I work at a veterinary hospital
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    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    ESE emotionally moves people in all of their behaviours – emotion; the greatest value – positive emotions, including people in a life of happiness and convenience, avoiding everything that’s unpleasant.

    To the EIE life is filled with meaning when it contains emotional heat and dramatic experiences. He guesses which idea will take the imaginations if people and shape their feelings in the correct manner.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    ESE emotionally moves people in all of their behaviours – emotion; the greatest value – positive emotions, including people in a life of happiness and convenience, avoiding everything that’s unpleasant.
    Ew. LOL.

    To the EIE life is filled with meaning when it contains emotional heat and dramatic experiences. He guesses which idea will take the imaginations if people and shape their feelings in the correct manner.
    I definitely enjoy emotional heat. I wouldn't say I'm inclined to move people as much... I'm more about expressing myself ​for others to see.
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    Those descriptions are translated from the Russian. Probably not very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    Ew. LOL.



    I definitely enjoy emotional heat. I wouldn't say I'm inclined to move people as much... I'm more about expressing myself ​for others to see.
    You would be EIE then and because of that expression for others to see they are great at stage acting or youtube videos on makeup
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    I am a hard worker and good with ideas. I work at a barn and am a veterinary technology student. I also write fantasy stories and such. Both aren't too much of an issue.

    I'm prone to quite a bit of daydreaming. I can make a story out of anything. "Working hard" doesn't really come as much of a second nature, I suppose, though.

    I'm prone to a lot of self-doubt.

    I'm not really light and happy I've always been a bit melancholy. I study witchcraft and Paganism. I've always believed that there has to be more to life than meets the eye.
    Yeah, probably EIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    You would be EIE then and because of that expression for others to see they are great at stage acting or youtube videos on makeup
    I've literally spent my evening watching makeup tutorials lol.

    Im a bit of an attention whore honestly. I want to be noticed and recognized and stand out.

    My minor in college is theater too. I would love to make it my major but... it's very hard to find a steady job in that field long-term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Yeah, probably EIE.
    How could you tell the difference between the two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    How could you tell the difference between the two?
    Uhh based on everything you just said? ESEs are not much into fantasy or daydreaming, nor do they typically doubt themselves, in fact quite the opposite -- they tend to be overconfident. Being a hard worker is consistent with Se mobilizing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    I am a hard worker and good with ideas. I work at a barn and am a veterinary technology student. I also write fantasy stories and such. Both aren't too much of an issue.

    I'm prone to quite a bit of daydreaming. I can make a story out of anything. "Working hard" doesn't really come as much of a second nature, I suppose, though.

    I'm prone to a lot of self-doubt.

    I'm not really light and happy I've always been a bit melancholy. I study witchcraft and Paganism. I've always believed that there has to be more to life than meets the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post



    I definitely enjoy emotional heat. I wouldn't say I'm inclined to move people as much... I'm more about expressing myself ​for others to see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    Im a bit of an attention whore honestly. I want to be noticed and recognized and stand out.

    My minor in college is theater too. I would love to make it my major but... it's very hard to find a steady job in that field long-term.
    Also, on this: this seems like an introvert attitude to me. I often focus on what's going on to the point I completely forget that I even exist, more or less, until/unless someone calls attention to it. That's why I can often enjoy things like public speaking or performing, because in that moment there is no "I" to be embarrassed because it's basically just going through fission like nuclear energy into the environment, and there is no more being, just doing. If I'm playing a role for something I'll be someone else, as much as I can anyhow. I like to put myself in people's heads rather than my own as well... Both observers and whatever I'm trying to be (this is really good for writing stories I've found).

    What you said does not sound like an EIE description in the slightest. Other types besides EIE can be actors or attention whores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hag View Post
    Sol is a vampire: CONFIRMED
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Gypsy: you say so many contradictive things, in the past you have said that you hate being expressive, and now you love expressing yourself and emotional heat and like being an attention whore. So people shouldn't type you based on what you say if you want to get typed correctly.

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    Im a bit of an attention whore honestly. I want to be noticed and recognized and stand out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    Also, on this: this seems like an introvert attitude to me.
    ????? That is definitely not an introvert attitude.

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    I still think Se ego with Fi somewhere ... Fe is there but somehow feels off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Gypsy: you say so many contradictive things, in the past you have said that you hate being expressive, and now you love expressing yourself and emotional heat and like being an attention whore. So people shouldn't type you based on what you say if you want to get typed correctly.
    She's (unconsciously) trying to be what she thinks EIE should be because she's in this sort of Myers-Briggs mentality where she thinks types line up with certain roles rather than something deeper. People don't have to be trying to lie to do that. It's like when you think one thing, then someone says something else, so you think that instead (or vice versa).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    ????? That is definitely not an introvert attitude.
    It's directed towards the I. That's inward, introvert. It's like when some introverts (mostly -valuing) say "we are in life to learn things" and the extraverts are like "fuck the world's impact on me, my life is for my impact on the world."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    It's directed towards the I. That's inward, introvert.
    No it's not. Attention is something that comes from the outside world. Fe is all about attention, reactions, interactions, etc. (some Se is there too though)

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    Attention comes from the outside world, yes, but it's directed towards the self. Reading books and doing all the things ALOOOOOOONE that's supposed to define introversion also comes from the outside world. But reading books is about putting knowledge in your mind or being entertained, both of which are directed inwards. Likewise, "getting attention" is directed inwards. The extravert equivalent would be "making an impression on people". It's not the what so much as the how. The how is the process that drives the what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Attention is something that comes from the outside world. Fe is all about attention, reactions, interactions, etc. (some Se is there too though)
    Heightened seeking of attention is related to general F with its interest to human's communication. Secondary to extraversion. Fe/Fi difference would be after, is exist. It's not enough differentiated trait to use in typing.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I've seen your videos and you're not Fe ego, but Fi ego - gamma SF sounds correct. You're most definitely not EIE and ESE is even worse.

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