Ni polr or Ni seeking

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I have two examples, neither of which I'm sure are Ni- PoLR.

1. Hubby and his ESE Dad are talking about the state of the world. ESE is saying how people are more evil now and there is so much more crime now compared to when he was a kid. Hubby gets annoyed and explains to his dad that this is not true. That statistically violent crime has gone down in the last 20 years. His reasoning as to why it may not seem that way:
-people are more exposed to things outside of one's own community, via news, social networking, etc.
-the population of the world is larger now
ESE Dad can not understand his reasoning and continues to argue.

2. During our short lived engagement my ESE FIL was telling my husband that we should wait until my husband reached X place in his career and then get married because think of how cool the wedding would be at that point. My husband annoyed, told his dad, "It'll take 15 years to get to that point. That makes no sense. If I want to get married now why wouldn't I just get married now." ESE father in law still tried to convince him and husband was frustrated that he wouldn't comprehend the 15 year wait being pointless. (Or ESE FIL thought hubby was exaggerating with the time frame, but hubby was being serious/realistic)

Anyway, not sure if these are actually Ni PoLR. Any input?

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Ni polr = Making a "5 year plan" then dismissing any relevant information that contradicts their timeline. Five years later they are somewhat disappointed that things didn't play out the way they had planned. I have given up offering my ESE sister this type of advice. I just tell her I support any decision she makes. It does more harm than good. My way is not better than her's and maybe someone else will offer her information that is more suited to her.

A recent example is that she is working on two careers right now. Stretching herself thin. Spent a lot of money to get a specialized license and now has decided she also needs a job with benefits and a pension too. Thing is we all know the job she has chosen for long term security is not something she will be able to do long term.

It has a high turnover rate and high benefits for a reason. There is no use in trying to talk her out of it. Her mind is set on doing this. She will figure it out herself and gain some valuable experience in the process. Meanwhile my EII sister and I just sit back and watch it play out as we have so many times before. We can't say anything now because we do not want to discourage her from doing something because we might be projecting our own discomfort with her choices. There is a 50/50 chance that she can do this due to creative Si. I had to tell my EII sister not to discourage her and let's just see what happens. When I told the EII about ESE's current plan she was horrified. haha Of course we both want to protect her. Fly little bird, fly...

This tells me that Ni types consider details. Like this job has high turn over rates therefore you will likely not succeed due to these factors that happen to everyone else who works at the same job. It's actually taking account details. Also it would seem to me that Ni-polr types plant the dream. "I want to move to Texas" in a hard economic time. They may not consider the details and therefore Ni in the process of the forecast becomes their weak point.

Does this make sense at all?

I have two examples, neither of which I'm sure are Ni- PoLR.

1. Hubby and his ESE Dad are talking about the state of the world. ESE is saying how people are more evil now and there is so much more crime now compared to when he was a kid. Hubby gets annoyed and explains to his dad that this is not true. That statistically violent crime has gone down in the last 20 years. His reasoning as to why it may not seem that way:
-people are more exposed to things outside of one's own community, via news, social networking, etc.
-the population of the world is larger now
ESE Dad can not understand his reasoning and continues to argue.

2. During our short lived engagement my ESE FIL was telling my husband that we should wait until my husband reached X place in his career and then get married because think of how cool the wedding would be at that point. My husband annoyed, told his dad, "It'll take 15 years to get to that point. That makes no sense. If I want to get married now why wouldn't I just get married now." ESE father in law still tried to convince him and husband was frustrated that he wouldn't comprehend the 15 year wait being pointless. (Or ESE FIL thought hubby was exaggerating with the time frame, but hubby was being serious/realistic)

Anyway, not sure if these are actually Ni PoLR. Any input?

No this has to do with your husband's Fi values.

Ni polr is like following through with some snobby idea because you thought it would be cool and make you better than everybody else and all sophisticated and less like a "victim" but in reality the experience turns out to be shitty and there are all these awkward/human/emotional and artistic moments that you lost because you tried too hard to make it perfect. (I mean at least in LSE- the Ni polr in ESE is different) And like Golden said, you are impervious to the actual effects of this - so you keep doing it because you can't feel things in the precise accurate ways that IEIs can. You are actually logical in a lazy way. "This must be better, it costs more money!" Te economics are horrid.

Like LSEs will often invite the co-workers to lunch at a fancy expensive restaurant with some foreign name that I don't like to pronounce but Subt and Expat would have some 56 hour long conversation on how to correctly say it, but the food is actually objectively shitty despite it having a more sophisticated atmosphere. Nobody really actually likes it that much, but they don't tell the LSE because they will go off the deep end about it. And the LSE did mean well and they are the ones that are paying for it because Te money. Te is always lined with Fi so it's not like it's the demon or anything. Just the demon for IEIs and SEIs. The Fi in the Te will say "Shut the fuck up you IEI. You know that it's morally wrong to bite the hand that feeds you, so you will pretend to like this pretentious lunch of awful."

For ESE it's the same thing, except it's not so snobby and stuck up but it's still some sort of environment or idea that they executed that actually was shitty. An IEI or Ni person will create something innately more beautiful and better, the idea will actually be good and cool and something amazing that inspires people and not something you think is good but it will really be shit. God I hate Ni polr so much lmao.

"A rough in the diamond" is the perfect way to describe Ni polr.

I'm assuming because Ni types take into consideration details.

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I tend to see LSEs as trying madly to compensate for their Ni polr with a fixation on planning things out the wazoo but failing to account for contingencies, failing to understand how people's behaviors will evolve (or not) over time,

This. And their own behavior and feelings too.

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This tells me that Ni types consider details. Like this job has high turn over rates therefore you will likely not succeed due to these factors that happen to everyone else who works at the same job. ...

I'm assuming because Ni types take into consideration details.

I think Ni is good at keying in on which details are salient, and extrapolating from them to model how something unfolds.

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lol Maritsa why are you quoting stuff that I said years ago. It's kind of creepy. Although what can I say, I'm a timeless classic.