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  • LII (INTj)

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    Default Elon Musk

    What type is he, I have no clue, but i'm very interested to know.

    What are your thoughts or guesses?






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    usually say lie, but in general some nt type

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    LIE
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    LSI.

    Tesla is a very beta company.

    Can see where the LIE typings come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    LSI.

    Tesla is a very beta company.

    Can see where the LIE typings come from.
    How on earth is Tesla a Beta company? Because they forced their doors open early in times or Corona or because they don't hire non US citizens?
    How can an LSI be so creative and try to be so funny on Twitter and so on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    How can an LSI be so creative and try to be so funny on Twitter and so on?
    Your understanding of LSI seems superficial at best. Unlike Fe valuers, Te leads don't know how to be funny except by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Your understanding of LSI seems superficial at best. Unlike Fe valuers, Te leads don't know how to be funny except by accident.
    Your understanding of Te lead types seems superficial at best. There are many Te lead comedians plus ironic jokes are actually more natural for Te types.
    Not only did you not consider that the definition of "funny" can differ from person to person, but also you did not read my comment correctly.
    I didn't write LSIs aren't funny. I wrote LSIs don't "try to be funny" on Twitter.
    Plus by "creativity" I meant "Ne creativity". In case you forgot, this is a socionics forum. It is obvious to me that Musk has strength in Ne.
    His favorite book as a youngster was The hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy from which he derived the meaning of life for him.
    My father is LSI, he makes a lot of political jokes which many people don't find funny. I find him funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Your understanding of Te lead types seems superficial at best. There are many Te lead comedians plus ironic jokes are actually more natural for Te types.
    Not only did you not consider that the definition of "funny" can differ from person to person, but also you did not read my comment correctly.
    I didn't write LSIs aren't funny. I wrote LSIs don't "try to be funny" on Twitter.
    Plus by "creativity" I meant "Ne creativity". In case you forgot, this is a socionics forum. It is obvious to me that Musk has strength in Ne.
    His favorite book as a youngster was The hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy from which he derived the meaning of life for him.
    My father is LSI, he makes a lot of political jokes which many people don't find funny. I find him funny.
    I read it just fine, the choice of words was part of the point. Your choice of "trying to be funny" implies you don't find him funny, which is to be expected for a Te/Fi valuer since Musk's humor is Ti/Fe.

    I don't agree on "Ne creativity" - most of the ideas are obvious technical mprovements, the magic ingredient is boldness and driving force. Such as daring to start a private space agency and build sporty electric cars. We built a fast electric go-kart already in university with a LSI friend before the Tesla Roadster came out, the performance benefits were obvious. The battery tech just wasn't there before, but that's not Musk's invention either.

    So his meaning of life is 42, really? Does reading those books mean someone is Ne? Most often I've seen LII's use that joke.

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    I used to think that he's ILE, but I also think he's LIE now. He's very good at organizing competent teams and then unleashing them to work on his goals. Despite what everyone thinks, he's not really an inventor himself, he's just good at compiling teams of the right people who can carry out his visions and keeping them on task.

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    Elon Musk is definitely LIE from what I've just read and he VIs as ENTj as well.

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    after seeing this interview I'd go with LSI-Se sp/sx 3w2 - what stood out was him pointing out historical mistakes that did not preserve some accumulated technical knowledge, and how people need to get together and work to preserve and improve technology against the forces of entropy - an attitude that gets mentioned or alluded to in several places in both EIE and LSI articles





    he also vi's ST over NT with that heavy-set serious look, like the guy needs somebody who could lighten things up for him


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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Te enterprise/usefulness and improvement + juggling facts, Ni outcome focus right there, Ne possibilities and estimations.
    If it wasn't for Si PoLR, he could easily market a perfume with that name

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    after seeing this interview I'd go with LSI-Se sp/sx 3w2 - what stood out was him pointing out historical mistakes that did not preserve some accumulated technical knowledge, and how people need to get together and work to preserve and improve technology against the forces of entropy - an attitude that gets mentioned or alluded to in several places in both EIE and LSI articles

    he also vi's ST over NT with that heavy-set serious look, like the guy needs somebody who could lighten things up for him
    What you say about deriving conclusions from historical mistakes and narratives being present in LSI and EIE, I have observed as well in all of them.

    My father is LSI. Imagine we are walking on the streets in some far away city and I simply say: "all the people smell around here" and he will start talking about when the showers were invented and why there were cultural issues related to showering at home and also the technology was missing etc for 2 hours. True.

    But what Musk does is different. In the definition of Ni is stated that a characteristic is monitoring the past events in a dynamic manner and trying to predict or conclude "the most prominent possible future scenarios" from it.
    Similar to Machine Learning in Data Science.
    You have a set of Data. You have machine learning algorithms (say decision making mechanisms for humans which have developed over time) and based on these 2 you actually make predictions for the future in a constant manner and that is usually the prominent function of Ni.
    The difference is Ti is static and only offers a reason or a list of reasons for a phenomenon and the focus is not on predicting the future like Musk has. Musk is definitely strong in Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I don't know much about him or have an opinion on his type, but from this interview his demeanor, mannerisms and way of speaking remind me a lot of what @mu4 is like in person. Mu has a lot more passion in his voice, though.


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    He strikes me as LIE based on what I've read about him.
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    I tend to lean towards LIE now.

    LSI-Se isn't a bad idea, but he misses agression. No Se there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    I tend to lean towards LIE now.

    LSI-Se isn't a bad idea, but he misses agression. No Se there.
    He has an hidden agenda and clearly values , it's confused for his creative function and hence the mistyping for LSI because he's clearly a logical type. I initially thought he was ILE, but the way he runs the company does show valuing and he operates it in a way that a LIE would, not an ILE. An LSI can be a risk taker like him, but they would most likely take risks with more traditional means, not extraordinary means like Elon Musk is doing, which leans him towards LIE IMO.
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    For some year now I have had him as being ILI. Why ILI and not LIE? Mostly because of demonstrative Ti. One thing I notice from him is when he get a question or is starting to explain something he get silent for a while and then start from an end which he picks. It is like he is telling a story of logic which lead him to the explanation to why. The character of his Se does not strike me very LIE. And there was one interview he had with an EIE that gave me the supervisor ITR vibes. Whatever type he is a very futuristic guy.


    In the Socion the ILI is told of as being the one who collect knowledge of the past to apply it in the now and to the future. Kind of the guy who find pieces and build something with the already known for a long time and make it more efficient and fully optimized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    For some year now I have had him as being ILI. Why ILI and not LIE? Mostly because of demonstrative Ti. One thing I notice from him is when he get a question or is starting to explain something he get silent for a while and then start from an end which he picks. It is like he is telling a story of logic which lead him to the explanation to why. The character of his Se does not strike me very LIE. And there was one interview he had with an EIE that gave me the supervisor ITR vibes. Whatever type he is a very futuristic guy.


    In the Socion the ILI is told of as being the one who collect knowledge of the past to apply it in the now and to the future. Kind of the guy who find pieces and build something with the already known for a long time and make it more efficient and fully optimized.
    I see lots of LIE typings here, and LIE certainly seems possible. I think ILI is also possible though. I haven't really seen enough (honestly I don't really give a shit about famous people's types) to decide which I think is more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    For some year now I have had him as being ILI. Why ILI and not LIE? Mostly because of demonstrative Ti. One thing I notice from him is when he get a question or is starting to explain something he get silent for a while and then start from an end which he picks. It is like he is telling a story of logic which lead him to the explanation to why. The character of his Se does not strike me very LIE. And there was one interview he had with an EIE that gave me the supervisor ITR vibes. Whatever type he is a very futuristic guy.


    In the Socion the ILI is told of as being the one who collect knowledge of the past to apply it in the now and to the future. Kind of the guy who find pieces and build something with the already known for a long time and make it more efficient and fully optimized.
    Good points. Just searched for this thread because I realize I really like this guy. He does do a lot of explaining with Ti but couldn't demo Ne do the same?

    . Like Zuckerberg is all about racing ahead full speed with AI and Musk is talking more about the future and the problems it could create. Connecting it to many things. He is contemplative. Zuckerberg is simple compared to him. Musk has such a wider angle. Sees so much bigger. Like he said, I am not prescribing things, I am predicting them. Which almost sounds Fe. There are no personal ethics at all. Zuckerberg is more prescriptive. More activist. Musk is talking logically about things and zuckerberg has a simple appeal to emotion.

    I agree with just about everything he says:




    I also heard that Se HA upholds obligations. It must. Like people giving people discounts on Tesla cars angered him. Nobody gets a discount. Not him. His family. Or friends. Nobody. And I don't think it is because of greed but fairness. He doesn't seem like Ne ignoring and has servicable Fe. Though Ti ignoring also makes little sense for him. who knows lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    For some year now I have had him as being ILI. Why ILI and not LIE? Mostly because of demonstrative Ti. One thing I notice from him is when he get a question or is starting to explain something he get silent for a while and then start from an end which he picks. It is like he is telling a story of logic which lead him to the explanation to why. The character of his Se does not strike me very LIE. And there was one interview he had with an EIE that gave me the supervisor ITR vibes. Whatever type he is a very futuristic guy.


    In the Socion the ILI is told of as being the one who collect knowledge of the past to apply it in the now and to the future. Kind of the guy who find pieces and build something with the already known for a long time and make it more efficient and fully optimized.
    Do LIEs not collect knowledge and apply it? I'm pretty sure both types do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Intellectual View Post
    Do LIEs not collect knowledge and apply it? I'm pretty sure both types do that.
    it's usual activity for all Te egos

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    I've been following him on facebook for a couple years now. His ex wife is an actor on WestWorld. He posted a video telling everyone to check her out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    I've been following him on facebook for a couple years now. His ex wife is an actor on WestWorld. He posted a video telling everyone to check her out.
    Maybe they're confirmed ex's but still friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Maybe they're confirmed ex's but still friends.
    Duh.

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    Seems like an obvious Ni type, since he makes a lot of predictions about the future, and has acted on his predictions, but Ne types can also make predictions about the future.

    He is generally focused on the bright, positive side of the future, so that might suggest that he is a Positivist.

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    LIE

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    I type him as LIE, 6w5 So/Sp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I type him as LIE So/Sp.
    Yes SO/SP should be it! Very sympathetic contraflow man, I like that guy's vision for society.

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    Nice. Gamma for the win then, yay.

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    <3


    It is super short-sighted of the space heros to say "let government funded space exploration happen exclusively".

    In todays era, trips like those planned for Mars would certainly never happen on taxes payers dime alone. It is going to require private, commercial industry to pay for the expenses.

    This always happens with older delta STs (such as the videos "space heros", who I also personally admire).----> they get stuck in their Te ways of: "This is the way its always been done and this is the way we are going to keep doing it." Little innovation.
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    If he is not pioneer LIE, I don't know who is. (I' know very similar person. In away we essentially just tried to understand each other's humor a lot of similarities in terms of potential but went into different directions.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by COVID 007 View Post
    If he is not pioneer LIE, I don't know who is. (I' know very similar person. In away we essentially just tried to understand each other's humor a lot of similarities in terms of potential but went into different directions.)
    *years later*

    Steve Jobs is bro. Elon is ILE.

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    Extj, I sense soft ni from his face

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    Hi! I think Elon Musk type is : ESFJ-L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economist View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    He fits your Imago?
    You know it He's one of the coolest people on Earth right now though he was pretty mean to his first wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    He fits your Imago?
    You weren't asking me but this is interesting - I linked my Imago with LIE but Elon Musk doesn't fit it. Hmm, maybe due to the sx-last (IIRC I read he's sx-last).

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