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    6w5 so/sp (Te/Fi) - Denzel Washington


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    Default 6 moving to 3 in a healthy way

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    6w5 so/sx the 'darksider' sx subtype ExTx

    Can you explain your reasoning for this typing?
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    Although type 6 is often anxious, that is not all there is to it. 6s, especially 6w5s, are primarily focused on finding a set of rules that will universally apply. They are the most paradoxical type. In fact, whatever 6s are, they are also the opposite.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hag 2 View Post
    fwiw, i type him as EIE. silke types him as ILE, as well as Marilyn Manson whom i also type as EIE. if you want some substantiation, i once had a post getting into this in my "thought thread" which is now deleted but mods can [still] see deleted posts - if you are interested, i give my permission for a mod to show it to you.*

    of course, the post is now deleted, so whatever it says is 'private', but i think the ILE typing for MJK is so stupid i cannot help but make this post. i place great emphasis in my typings on things which others dont accept, which completely changes ones actual type imo; you will get a teaser for this if you see the post.

    the evidence presented therein relies entirely on a niche aspect of socionics, but do not mistake that for my only reasoning - it is simply the argumentation i chose to focus on in the post (the "my thought thread" was a thread for myself - it was a place for me to fully flesh out my thoughts (kinda) by 'putting pen to paper' so to speak).

    with this post, i dont intend to debate MJK's type. i am simply passing on info that may be beneficial. with that said, quoting me or even tagging me is unnecessary - i dont check those Notifications. i suppose i would like to know if the deleted post was seen, but if you dont want to reply, that is fine. im not sure so/[sx] is right in my opinion, but i have recently read 6w5 from the Hudson enneagram book and besides it 'feeling right' as well it seems legit (to give a little teaser: from what i recall 6w5 has a very "so" instinct twinge to it inherently, so perhaps silke is doing some conflation there).


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    I was inquiring about the song, not the artist. In my view, MJK is LII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    I don't know if that was your phone but the phoneholder could've mentioned advice that would've helped the guy imo, lets hope they did

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    6w5 (so/sx ESI?)


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    “Courage is almost a contradiction in terms. It means a strong desire to live taking the form of a readiness to die. ‘He that will lose his life, the same shall save it,’ is not a piece of mysticism for saints and heroes. It is a piece of everyday advice for sailors or mountaineers. It might be printed in an Alpine guide or a drill book. This paradox is the whole principle of courage; even of quite earthly or quite brutal courage. A man cut off by the sea may save his life if he will risk it on the precipice. He can only get away from death by continually stepping within an inch of it. A soldier surrounded by enemies, if he is to cut his way out, needs to combine a strong desire for living with a strange carelessness about dying. He must not merely cling to life, for then he will be a coward, and will not escape. He must not merely wait for death, for then he will be a suicide, and will not escape. He must seek his life in a spirit of furious indifference to it; he must desire life like water and yet drink death like wine.”
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    The purge movies seem quite 6-ish


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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Shut the fuck up, dumbass.


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    sp/sx 6w5 maybe

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    by an ESI 6w7


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    DID YOU EVER WONDER
    HOW PEOPLE CONTINUALLY SCHEME BEHIND YOUR BACK?
    YOU CAN NEVER TELL WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF YOU
    TO SHIELD YOU FROM A BITTER PAINFUL TRUTH
    OR MAYBE JUST NOT WANTING TO REVEAL THEIR INTENTIONS
    WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME TO
    ASSAIL YOU, OBLITERATE YOU
    BUT MAYBE NOT
    MAYBE EVERYONE LIKES YOU AND NO-ONE PLANS HURTING YOU
    MAYBE YOU'RE SAFE
    THEN AGAIN MAYBE NOT
    WHILE YOU BREATHE HERE NOW
    YOU REALISE THE REAL TRUTH
    YOU CAN RELY ON NO ONE BECAUSE THEY WILL BETRAY YOU
    IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME
    YOU CAN RELY ON NO ONE
    LOOKING INTO THE EYES
    YOU'VE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME OR HAVE JUST MET
    WHEN YOU SEE SOME LINE OR SHADOW ON THEIR FACE
    AND YOU REALISE
    YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM
    THEY WILL LET YOU DOWN
    IT'S A SHEER MATTER OF TIME

    NO IDEA AT ALL
    I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON
    INSIDE YOUR FUCKING HEAD
    DO SOME FUCKING INTROSPECTION
    LOOK DOWN INSIDE
    EXPLORE THE VERY ESSENCE OF WHO-THE-FUCK YOU ARE
    AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL NOTICE
    JUST HOW FUCKING KEPT DOWN AND EMPTY YOU ARE
    SO ALONE
    SO VOID
    SO FUCKING LONELY
    EXPLORE THAT PLACE
    YOU ONLY FIND CLOUDED MEMORIES OF PATHETIC FAILURES
    PATHETIC LIMP NEEDY FRUSTRATIONS
    AND RIDICULOUS MISSED DREAMS
    ASK YOURSELF
    SO THIS IS IT?
    THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN GRINDING OUT?
    WHAT AN EMPTY LIFE
    YOUR MISERABLE FUCKING LIFE IN GENERAL
    THAT MISERABLY FAILS TO ADDRESS
    THAT DEEP LONGINGNESS INSIDE YOU
    THAT DEEP PAINFUL VOID
    IT'S WHY YOU NEED TO FIND SOMEONE TO HURT
    IT'S TIME TO TAKE YOUR OWN LIFE
    AND EXAMINE IT
    BECAUSE MIGHT YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF SAYING THIS IS IT?
    THIS IS ALL I HAVE EVER LIVED FOR
    AS YOU WALK THROUGH LIFE LIGHT
    BECAUSE YOU'RE WALKING UTTERLY EMPTY
    JUST HOW EMPTY AND MEANINGLESS YOUR ACTIONS HAVE BEEN
    GO DEEP INSIDE THAT NOTHINGINESS YOU CALL YOURSELF
    AND EXAMINE YOUR OWN SHODDY MOTIVES TO REALISE
    THAT YOU'RE WOUNDING YOURSELF MORE THAN YOU EVER COULD
    IT'S REALLY FUCKING TRAGIC TO SEE THAT
    THRILL-HURTING YOURSELF IN SUCH A MANNER
    SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY GET THRILLS CHEATING
    BUT IN TRUTH CHEATING YOURSELF
    SCAMMED OUT OF A LIFE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Shut the fuck up, dumbass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    More like 5 moving to 8

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    How would you differentiate between a 6 and a sp 1? Both are anxious and worriers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim bell View Post
    How would you differentiate between a 6 and a sp 1? Both are anxious and worriers.
    1s arent anxious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim bell View Post
    How would you differentiate between a 6 and a sp 1? Both are anxious and worriers.
    For further insight into types look at the core theory and where it originated from before factoring instincts.

    As mentioned earlier, the theory of Protoanalysis is the primary source from which the contemporary Enneagram of Personality has been developed. In Ichazo’s theory, the differences that can be seen among people– their “personalities”– are the result of their becoming attached and imbalanced in certain Domains. Protoanalysis/Fixations is the study of how these attachements and imbalances develop.

    According to Ichazo, experiences in early childhood lead to the development of certain false Egos to which people become attached and which they identify as their true selves. Sketches of these 9 egos are listed below using the terminology of the Arica school and coupled with their corresponding Domains, Systems and Ways of personal development. Although Ichazo usually does not group these factors together in this way, it is being done here in order to better compare and contrast these “egos” with the more popular descriptions of the Enneagram “types” which are currently being circulated.

    Point 1 is known as “Ego-resentment”. The fixation is also known as “Over-Perfectionist”.

    This ego derives from the Historical Ego, which is a response to the Conservation Instinct. The psychic poison of the Conservation Instinct at the root of Ego-Resentment is Possessiveness.

    Ego-resentment experiences a sense of being unloved in the childhood relationship with a Mother figure.

    The main ego-characteristic of this fixation is Resentment. The Passion which feeds this ego is Anger. The primary defense mechanism is Isolation. Worsening of this fixation can lead to the Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder. A secondary defense mechanism is Undoing. Further worsening leads to psychosomatic illness.

    Becoming fixated in the Domain of Sentiments, there is a swing to the dichotomies of that domain. This can manifest in a positive sense as a focus on Self-Control on one side, or Sensitivity at the other side. It can manifest in a negative sense as Callousness at one extreme or Touchiness at the other extreme. These dichotomies are represented by two characters: the Heartless character at one end, the Gushy character at the other. Jealousies invade the consciousness in this domain. The stress of being fixated and imbalanced in this domain can lead to Toximania as a compensatory mechanism. The poison of this domain is Anger.

    The Trap which simultaneously restricts but potentially liberates this ego is its focus on Perfection. The Way of self-realization of this ego is the Way of Attention, which works by recalling oneself in self-observation permanently.

    The Holy Idea which acts as a catalyzer for the transformation of this ego is Holy Perfection, or Divine Perfection. This can lead to the Virtue (energy) of Serenity.

    According to Ichazo, Divine Perfection is “The awareness that Reality is a process, moving with direction and purpose. Within this movement each moment is connected by the process with the one goal, and thus is perfect.”

    Point 6 is known as “Ego-Cowardice”. The fixation is also known as “Over-Adventurer”.

    This ego derives from the Practical Ego, which is a response to the Adaptation Instinct. The psychic poison of the Adaptation Instinct at the root of Ego-Cowardice is Deceit.

    Ego-Cowardice experiences a sense of being Useless in the childhood relationship with siblings and/or peers.

    The main ego-characteristic of this fixation is Insecurity. The Passion which feeds this ego is Fear. The primary defense mechanism is Projection. Worsening of this fixation can lead to Paranoid Personality Disorder. A secondary defense mechanism is Conversion. Further worsening leads to psychosomatic illness.

    Becoming fixated in the Domain of Work and Activities, there is a swing to the dichotomies of that domain. This can manifest in a positive sense as Labor on one side, or Amusement at the other side. It can manifest in a negative sense as Overwork at one extreme or Loafing at the other extreme. These dichotomies are represented by two characters: the Workhorse at one end, the Idler at the other. Worries invade the consciousness in this domain. The stress of being fixated and imbalanced in this domain can lead to Panic as a compensatory mechanism. The poison of this domain is Jealousy.

    The Trap which simultaneously restricts but potentially liberates this ego is its focus on Prudence. The Way of self-realization of this ego is the Way of Action, which is to realize that our actions must be internalized if they are to be real actions.

    The Holy Idea which acts as a catalyzer for the transformation of this ego is Holy Strength, or Divine Strength. This can lead to the Virtue (energy) of Courage.

    According to Ichazo, Divine Strength is “The awareness that the Cosmos is a self-regulating mechanism, existing in a state of balance, and as long as the objective laws which govern this balance are respected, an individual can exist in a state of harmony with Reality, moving toward his own personal fulfillment. Faith is a Holy Idea, not a belief. It is the certitude that each of us has an Essence and that this Essence coming from God, belongs to God.”

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    G. I. Gurdjieff is credited with making the enneagram figure commonly known[8] (see Fourth Way enneagram). He did not, however, develop the nine personality types associated with the Enneagram. Oscar Ichazo is generally recognized as the principal source[8] of the contemporary Enneagram of Personality which is largely derived from some of Ichazo's teachings, such as those on ego-fixations, holy ideas, passions and virtues. The Bolivian-born Ichazo began teaching programs of self-development in the 1950s. His teaching, which he calls "Protoanalysis", uses the enneagram figure among many other symbols and ideas. Ichazo founded the Arica Institute which was originally based in Chile before moving to the United States[2] and coined the term "Enneagram of Personality".[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality

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    According to naranjo and Chestnut sp1s are big time worriers and deal with anxiety. That's why I was curious about what's makes their anxiety and worry different from 6s.

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    ENNEATYPE VI: COWARDICE

    Surely fear has been known in all ages. The description that I know that most approaches a technical description, as a result of the context within which it occurs, is the coward in Theophrastus’s characters.
    After defining cowardice as “a certain deficiency of spirit caused by fear,” Theophrastus describes the coward to us as the person who when he makes a voyage:

    …confuses the coastal cliffs with pirate ships and from the moment the sea gets rough asks the crew if they have experience in sailing… He tells the person sitting next to him that he had a dream involving bad omens the previous night… and finally begs to be disembarked. In the course of a military expedition, and when the infantry enters into combat…, he says to his comrades that with all the haste he has forgotten his sword; he runs back to his tent and hides his sword under the pillow and lets a long time pass as if he were looking for it… If he sees a friend being brought back wounded, he runs to him, encourages him and puts his friend’s arm over his own shoulder and helps carry him. He then attends him and cleans the blood from his wounds and, seated at his bedside, swats away the flies. In other words, he does everything apart from fighting against the enemy. When the trumpet sounds the call to arms, he protests, seated in the tent, saying: ‘Go take a walk, don’t you see you aren’t letting this poor man sleep due to the racket you are making.’ Covered in the blood of the other man, he leaves the tent to go in search of the soldiers who are returning from the battlefield and tells them he has saved one of their comrades, as if he had put his own life in danger.

    Though Theophrastus could not make the mistake of omitting the coward in his gallery of aberrant characters, Enneatype VI is related not only to cowardice, but also to superstition (a theme of another of his characters) as an element that is particularly associated with the openly fearful individual, in comparison with the aggressive and rigid variants of this enneatype. Theophrastus is aware of the connection between superstition and fear when he says: “Superstition might simply be cowardice with respect to the supernatural.”

    Examples of the contraphobic form of the suspicious character are Captain Ahab in Moby Dick and Macbeth, who lives on guard against imaginary attacks due to his secret guilt. These are combative people who generally do not know that there is fear in their combativeness and their pugnacity, and who appear to others to be moved by extraordinary bravery.

    Another form of distrustful character, which I have called the “Prussian character,” is typical of those who act according to hierarchical terms, with an implicit fear of not doing their duty or what a certain code, ideology, or faith requires. This kind of individual is usually called a true believer, a fanatic. While others doubt, they protect themselves against doubt like Quixotes, who attract the attention of the “Sanchos” in particular since, from the latters’ viewpoint, they are raving lunatics.

    The fear of making mistakes, which in the timid manifests as excessive submission, evasion of the responsibility of deciding, hesitation and excessive caution, and which in the strong—contraphobic—manifests as aggres-sivity, here leads to an obsessive devotion to grandiose ideals.

    The principal defect behind the emotional climate of suspicion is what could be called “self-demonization”: self-accusation that implies a guilty view of oneself. The actual fear is implicitly a fear of transgression, of guilt, of punishment and condemnation that implies going beyond what is prescribed by a tacit authority in the inner world.

    It may be said that the merging of authority and accusation in this character constitutes a bad authority, an aggressive authority that is opposed to the good of the subject and points to a defense mechanism described by Anna Freud as “identification with the aggressor”; namely, to defend oneself from external aggression by incorporating it. So as not to be in dissonance with it, these individuals assume the judgment of the accuser in an act that results in complete self-squelching.

    By way of complementing the dramatic descriptions from literature and psychopathology, here are some humorous vignettes. As an illustration of the hesitating, suspicious type, there is the story that says when you meet a Galician on the stairs, you never know if he is going up or down, and this type replies suspiciously to whoever questions: “And why do you wish to know that?” The caricature of the strong, suspicious (contraphobic) character is Popeye, with his invulnerability, his muscles, and pop-eyes (from which his name obviously proceeds).

    Among the Italian masks, Captain Spavento is determined to show how handsome, powerful, fearful, and above all, how brave he is. In contrast with others, he does not wear a mask, but does have a ferocious expression, as well as a turned-up mustache that seems to “punch holes in the sky.” He says he is a great soldier, but in fact he is a braggart, who prefers telling imaginary tales of battles to actually fighting. He is known by different names: Iron Spitter, Big Bombardier, Fire Blood, Moor Slayer, Captain Crocodile.
    Excerpt from:

    The Enneagram of Society: Healing the Soul to Heal the World
    by Claudio Naranjo

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim bell View Post
    According to naranjo and Chestnut sp1s are big time worriers and deal with anxiety. That's why I was curious about what's makes their anxiety and worry different from 6s.
    I would say 6's worries are often rooted in more guilt and and irrational fears (in my perception). I don't see this as much in 1s since their worries tend to center around perfection, rules, control or morality of some sort. I know it can be hard to distinguish when using terms like that so you really have to understand the fundamentals of the type if you are undecided, between two or more, before the instincts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I would say 6's worries are often rooted in more guilt and and irrational fears (in my perception). I don't see this as much in 1s since their worries tend to center around perfection, rules, control or morality of some sort. I know it can be hard to distinguish when using terms like that so you really have to understand the fundamentals of the type if you are undecided, between two or more, before the instincts.
    Associating "worrying" to any single type would be a mistake since it's a human emotion and thus applies to all neurotypical humans. In fact, the basis of enneagram is the core fears, which is essentially what each type worries most about. However, I agree that associating different kinds of worries with different types is important. Competency types tend to worry about competence things, for example. 1s are worried about imperfection in themselves and the world, usually in comparison to some moral or logical ideal; 3s are worried about their competence in certain areas with respect to their image/appearance; and 5s are worried about not knowing or understanding enough to face the outside world. A 6's worries are centred around guilt, like you said. However, this is also true of the other superego types (2 and 1). 2s worry when they aren't doing enough to help others around them and 1s feel guilty when they weren't as conscientious as they feel they should have been (the "should" is directly linked to their ideal, which makes type 1 the most ideological type, in my opinion).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    wut I mean even in pop culture for example did Dahmer do meal prep?
    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho Marx
    I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.

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    My duals seem to primarily come in three flavors, e9, e6, and e4. Marriage frequency data suggests that male e8’s (me) usually marry either e6’s or e2’s. I’m not that good at instantly discerning enneagram types, but I think I have met all three types.

    e9: My best friend in HS. Very laid back with a dry sense of humor. Stable, smart, funny, and male.
    e4(?): woman I liked and who wanted to date me, but I wasn’t ready. But I really liked her.
    e6: Three women I’ve dated, BUT..... Man, the descriptions of e6 all say that they worry about everything, that their fears overwhelm them sometimes. I can see that. They seem pretty functional if they are in familiar environments, but seem to be having internal panic attacks 24/7. Their fears seem to regularly blow up their working lives. They calm down and stabilize when I (an e8) am around but they still have incredible issues with trusting me. One accused me of having other GF’s, the other two refused to get close.

    I can read all the descriptions in the world, but it is very different to actually experience this stuff.

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